[AllStar]

Hi guys,

Sorry if this is a little long but I have to get this off my chest:

So a little background about me. I am 20 years old and finishing up my last semester of college. I grew up in a pretty religious family (Lutheran), and we couldn't date girls who didn't go to our church (Ridiculous right?) so I hung out with a few girls but never ended up dating any; to be painfully honest, I haven't even kissed a girl yet. Girls think I'm good looking, and (due to religious reasons in the past) have turned down a lot of girls. It pisses me off to think of all the girls that pretty much threw themselves at me and yet I rejected every single one of them. However that's in the past and I decided to move on from the past and start getting some experience with girls.

(This is Pre RVF) So that's when I texted a girl who had previously got my number and would always text me (I rejected her numerous times), and set up a date. I brought her to a hockey game and in typical beta fashion paid for her ticket. After the game I dropped her off and even though she was staring at me waiting for me to kiss her I chickened out since we were in the car (I was just being a p*ssy) and she told me that she had a fun night. I texted her the next day to hangout again and she never responded. That is when I found this forum and swallowed the Red Pill.

After discovering this forum, I started approaching girls and have started getting numbers. I got my first instadate with an athletic Asian girl the other day where we played ping pong and pool at the college rec center. I hugged her three times but I had to play hockey later that night so I just left it at that.

Here's my dilemma:

So anyways today I got a number from a very cute Latina who is a freshman in college. I set up a movie date with her tomorrow. She said we can watch it at her dorm, but in the basement since her room doesn't have a TV. Do you guys have any advice on how to escalate with her/get her back to her room? I'll be heading over there in the afternoon so should I try to get her to do something at night too? Sorry if I am over analyzing this but since its pretty much my first legit date I don't want to screw this up. Also, there isn't going to be any alcohol involved. Any input/advice is appreciated.

TL;DR
Grew up in a religious family, am not getting into game until now. Have my first legit date tomorrow. How do I escalate (no alcohol involved)? Any tips?

[Windom Earle]

(12-15-2014 10:24 PM)AllStar Wrote:  

I set up a movie date with her tomorrow. She said we can watch it at her dorm, but in the basement since her room doesn't have a TV. Do you guys have any advice on how to escalate with her/get her back to her room? I'll be heading over there in the afternoon so should I try to get her to do something at night too?

If the basement is private/secluded, you don't necessarily need to get her back to he room - just escalate in situ.

Sounds like she’s keen on you, so the work required on building comfort may be minimal for you.

Just go for a little kino - place your hand on the small of her back and legs for moments at a time.

Don’t wait for what you think to be the perfect moment to kiss her either, that will just lead to more anxiety.

If she turns her head, don’t think that she isn’t interested, just come back to it after a few minutes. If she likes you, she will end up reciprocating.

When you’re kissing, start caressing her body. When you’re at this stage, she’s getting wet, so get her undressed and go for it.

I wouldn’t usually recommend watching porn, but if you’re a virgin (which is implied from your story), then maybe get a few pointers.

Good luck.

[Sonoma]

Seek out advice for this date, and most importantly, start planning for more.

This first date hasn't happened, and you might bang her, you might not.

You'll be amazed how much smoother you can be when you know there's more chicks in line

[AllStar]

@ Windom Earle:

Good tips, thanks. As far as the porn part goes, I watched my fair share in my teen years, although I haven't watched porn since I found this forum and started approaching girls.

[AllStar]

(12-15-2014 10:40 PM)Sonoma Wrote:  

Seek out advice for this date, and most importantly, start planning for more.

This first date hasn't happened, and you might bang her, you might not.

You'll be amazed how much smoother you can be when you know there's more chicks in line

Your definitely right, I need to remember the ABC rule; Always Be Closing. I went four for four on my approaches today (I should have done more), and hopefully I can keep approaching even after college is done.

[Goldfinger]

I wouldn't worry about the date too much, you're in college and there is an abundance of girls for you to game. In this situation thou, i would just watch the movie in the basement, make sure you guys are sitting on the same couch/loveseat to make escalation extremely easy for you.

A few things
1. Do not do the bullshit arm over her shoulder move
2. make sure you're keeping it light and humorous, making occasional jokes about the film
3. as you make these jokes, make sure you are touching her lightly on her laps, arms, fingers.
4. Before the movie is over make a move to kiss her (assuming you've escalated properly, you shouldn't meet any resistance) after a few min of making out and fondling, suggest you guys head back to her room for some privacy then do the damn thing.
5. this should have probably come first, but don't put in a pussy drying agent of a film, (you select the film)

This is the first of many dates (hangouts) you should be setting up at school, you're in a pussy paradise and probably don't have to spend jack shit to make things happen.

Let us know how it goes.

[AllStar]

I'll keep you guys updated.

Should I should let her know that I don't have a lot of experience with girls or tell her about the religion I grew up in? I'm guessing I should not and just be confident, but I would like to hear from people with more experience.

Edit: Unfortunately this is my last semester in college (and yes I am only 20 as I did two years in high school). I graduate next week, although I still plan on gaming at college even though it will be much harder since I don't go to school there.

[Goldfinger]

(12-15-2014 11:06 PM)AllStar Wrote:  

I'll keep you guys updated.

Should I should let her know that I don't have a lot of experience with girls or tell her about the religion I grew up in? I'm guessing I should not and just be confident, but I would like to hear from people with more experience.

Edit: Unfortunately this is my last semester in college (and yes I am only 20 as I did two years in high school). I graduate next week, although I still plan on gaming at college even though it will be much harder since I don't go to school there.

Why would you do that? What do you stand to gain from that?
Just proceed to hangout like you would with any of your guy friends, until you start touching. Never bring up your lack of experience with women. she already has created an image of you in her head, do not give her ammunition to view you any differently.

[gamebreaker32]

Don't tell her about your inexperience or religion you grew up in. Assume value and lead the interaction, don't ask if you can cuddle or anything like that, just do it and if she rejects an advance, back off subtly. I remember my first couple dates, lol, I froze up on the second date when going into kiss the girl. Just use it as reference experience going forward. Use the advice goldfinger laid out

[LINUX]

Been in this situation multiple times: Look at her and say:

"Hey, I'm a little bit tired and I need to drive home, I don't want to fall asleep driving. Do you have coffee pot in your room?"

If she says yes, "she wants to fuck." If she says no, she doesn't want to fuck or her apartment looks like garbage pit.

If she doesn't have a coffe pot, ask her if she has tea. Is she doesn't have tea, she doesn't want to fuck.

[Travesty]

1. Bring alcohol, vodka in little airplane bottles they sell at a liquor store. Bring a Gatorade or energy drink. Mix it in front of her.

2. Bring a joint smoke it outside at some point or in her room.

3. Sex

4. No I am not kidding I am serious.

Bonus: You have had sex with 10 good looking girls already and you have no religion. This is the make believe story in your head you need. NEVER tell a girl more about you than you need to EVER.

It is not about her getting to know you. No.

It is you making her feel good and then sexy.

[LINUX]

(12-16-2014 01:53 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

1. Bring alcohol, vodka in little airplane bottles they sell at a liquor store. Bring a Gatorade or energy drink. Mix it in front of her.

2. Bring a joint smoke it outside at some point or in her room.

3. Sex

4. No I am not kidding I am serious.

Did you read the bottom of his post?

[Travesty]

(12-16-2014 01:56 AM)LINUX Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 01:53 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

1. Bring alcohol, vodka in little airplane bottles they sell at a liquor store. Bring a Gatorade or energy drink. Mix it in front of her.

2. Bring a joint smoke it outside at some point or in her room.

3. Sex

4. No I am not kidding I am serious.

Did you read the bottom of his post?

He needs to start breaking rules and bring alcohol. No weed or alcohol during a college hang out date in the U.S.A.? No bueno. This isn't grade school anymore time to get out the weapons.

[eradicator]

"do you want to smoke some weed" is a great line to close college girls. if there is no smoke alarm in her room, that could work, otherwise, go outside. OP is 20, it might be easier for him to procure weed at this point than alcohol.

[Dr. Howard]

(12-15-2014 11:06 PM)AllStar Wrote:  

I'll keep you guys updated.

Should I should let her know that I don't have a lot of experience with girls or tell her about the religion I grew up in? I'm guessing I should not and just be confident, but I would like to hear from people with more experience.

Edit: Unfortunately this is my last semester in college (and yes I am only 20 as I did two years in high school). I graduate next week, although I still plan on gaming at college even though it will be much harder since I don't go to school there.

No, don't tell her about your inexperience or religion. I don't know how strong your religious boundaries are but don't lay them on her unless she's trying to jam your dick in her pussy.

To her you are probably a good looking dude that plays college hockey. Thats all good for you, and don't buck that image unless you have to.

During the movie, in terms of escalating you'll be able to 'feel' that tension of "I could kiss her right now, put my hand on her leg etc" she will be able to feel that tension as well and its your job to act.

Also, if you want some easy 'lay up' excuses to initiate kino...show her scars on your hands, complain about a joint being injured in hockey, tell her that you've been reading about palm reading and want to try it out.

Good luck with your date

[Giovonny]

Smile and focus on fun!

Don't worry about sex. Focus on having an interesting and engaging conversation, that is the first step of foreplay.

Ask her about her interests, passions, goals, and fears. Take mental note of these things.

The goal should be to share many moments of laughter together, again, this is the first step of foreplay.

Don't feel pressure to have sex on this date, if it happens fine, if not, that okay too.

After a bit of stimulating conversation, if you want to make a move, start with this template:

(11-05-2014 02:21 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

First, I look for comfort. Is she relaxed around me? Is she talking openly with me? Is she giving me good eye contact and asking me personal questions?

If I get these types of "signals", I know the girl is at least comfortable in my presence.

My next step is light, non sexual touching. I casually touch her arm, shoulder, back, or thigh. This happens during laughter, during a moment of excitement or passion, or to playfully get her attention.

Hopefully, she touches me back.

If she does, I will likely make the first move by rubbing her hand and wrists, if this goes well, I rub her shoulders/back and the kiss is only moments away.

If she does not touch me back, I "invite" her to touch me by placing my body near hers. I might "accidentally" touch my foot against hers. I open up my body language, take up a lot of space and look for her to touch me in any way. Often times, they will touch their leg against mine or they touch my arm or shoulder.

Once this happens, I go into "Soft Stroking". This is when I rub her hand or wrist in a seductive way. If she lets me do this, the kiss is only moments away.

*****

Here is a post I wrote last month that is relavant to this discussion.

First, get her drunk. This lowers her inhibitions and opens up her up for pleasure and fun.

Then, touch her playfully in a non sexual way. Grab her arm to get her attention. Touch your leg against hers and pretend its an accident. Better yet, put your leg close to her's so it will seem like she touched you first. Gently, touch her shoulder or forearm when you guys are laughing together. Playfully, tap or "slap" her on the leg when she disagrees with you. Grab her arm and give it a gentle squeeze when you agree on something.. These are just basic examples of playful non sexual touching.

The next step for me is "Soft stroking". (Gently and lightly running my fingers over her skin)

I often start with her hands, rubbing them and caressing them.

I "soft stoke" her wrists, forearms, upper arms and shoulders, taking my time before moving higher. I caress her collarbone and neckline, rub her back and run my hand across the back of her neck...

Finally, I put my nose on her ear and my face next to hers.. I run my lips over her neck and hair line..

I go for the make out, I rub her ass.

This is what has worked for me over the years.

[MrXY]

NEVER tell a girl you don't have a lot of experience with girls or sex. Girls are ruthless and have no sympathy for that.

Escalate like Gio says but don't go too crazy on public.

If she asks you if you are ok to drive say no- she is trying to get you to her room. Go along with any reason she invents to get you to her room. Once there, go for it. Remember-pussys don't get pussy. Good luck

[AllStar]

Hey guys,

So here's what went down (This is my first field report so it is a bit long):

By the way props to Giovanny for making sure I was focused on having fun, and not too focused on sex.

I texted her around noon and asked her if she had seen a movie that I was going to rent, which she hadn't, so then I came over to her dorm and she let me in. We went up to her room where I met her roommate (who was indian, but adopted by white parents and grew up in the united states. She wasn't all that hot but had huge tits). She grabbed some snacks and we went down to the basement where we had the entire movie room to ourselves. She turned down all the lights and we started watching the movie.

She was cuter than I had remembered, and looked a little bit like a younger version of Selena Gomez. I would rate her at least an 8. She asked me how old I was when putting in the movie. I look a bit young for my age, probably around 18. Turns out she is 18. However she was extremely shy, especially at first. I tried pressing my leg up against hers and she would hold it for a bit, and then break away. She would keep one arm folded across her chest and the other supporting her chin so I couldn't start rubbing or holding her hands. After a bit of me pressing and her backing away, she told me she was going to the bathroom.

After she left I figured I would go to the bathroom too, so I got up to the first floor and couldn't find a bathroom so I asked a girl that was passing by and it turns out I had done a direct approach on her a week or two ago and asked her to hang out but she was busy so I hadn't contacted her since. A bit awkward, but she showed me where the bathroom was.

Once I got back to the movie room in the basement of the dorm, we started watching the movie again, she was sitting a bit closer too me, but was still backing off a bit. I was keeping in mind that Goldfinger had told me not to do the arm over the shoulder move, but I didn't really have any other options so I decided to f*ck it and put my arm around her. She didn't freak out which was good, and then I started rubbing her arms and shoulders, and after a bit she snuggled closer to me and I started caressing her neck and shoulders and got my hands underneath her bra straps, but I didn't want to go too low. I know a lot of guys will probably laugh at this, but I was surprised at how warm girls are, especially underneath the shirt; she was literally burning to the touch! The movie was drawing to end, and I was trying to figure out how to kiss her, so I leaned my head into hers and stroked her cheeks, but she would not turn her head whatsoever! She finally ended up putting one hand under her chin so I gave up. When she asked me questions during the movie she would turn her head towards me, but never when I was touching her. I still need to work on this, but her being super shy did not help.

After the movie we went and ate, I know I probably shouldn't of done this, but I bought her subway (it was about $4 and the movie rental was $1.50, so total date = $5.50, so not too bad). We ate and talked for about an hour and a half, and then I convinced her to bring me back to her room so I could try out her guitar. We got back to her room but her roommate was still their so I just chilled hoping she would leave but she never did.

She (the Latina) told me that I was the only guy to ever come in her dorm room, and her roommate confirmed this. She also told me that she has only drank once in her life, at some family get together and hasn't drank since, so I don't know if I could get her drunk. I am seriously starting to wonder if she has ever been with a guy before. She also told me she has a phobia of driving so she had never driven a car. Ever. She does have a 19 year old sister that drives. She did ask me about religion, and I told her I grew up in a religion that was strict, but that was a while ago. She asked me if I had ever drank alcohol before, and I told her not yet.

So I stayed until about 10:30 (did I mention that she played One Direction and Coldplay the entire time?) and then ditched because her roommate had to get up early, so I left and she walked me out to the street and gave me a hug goodbye and told me thanks for hanging out with her. Maybe I should of ditched right after the movie, but I didn't have anything else going on and I genuinely liked hanging out with this girl. I have hung out with a lot of bitchy girls before, but this one was super down to earth, and I had a good time even though I didn't get the bang or the kiss.

TL;DR
Met the girl who was 18 and really cute but super shy, started touching her all over but couldn't get this kiss, her roommate was in her dorm so I couldn't escalate their either. Hung out with her for the day and then went home.

-Feel free to critique me and let me know what I could have done better and how to proceed from here. She is leaving for back home for winter break so I won't see her again until January, so I'll try to get some more dates and numbers in the meantime. The photo quality isn't the best, but here she is:

[Goldfinger]

You did a few good things, like not being shy to touch her and feel on her body. thats a good start given your background.

You did let it fizzle out and lost every momentum you had by leaving the dorm and heading to subway.
quick question; why didn't you pull back to your dorm? roommates? girls not allowed in your dorm?. Look if you're gonna close girls in your college career, 95% of bangs will happen at your place, so get your spot situated. (planning)

Something that can help your date game and will keep you focused on your agenda on the date is Tuthmosis's Homemade First-Date Bangs . You will learn a lot from reading that thread by Tuth as did i. My SNL went from 5% to 80%. Now bear in mind I'm in NYC, but if I'm meeting a girl either from online or day game, the plan is to try and fuck on the first date. Read and digest that gem from Tuth.

Let us know if you need more help.

[AllStar]

I did read Tuth's first date recipe a few times, but a bar is out of the question as we wouldn't be old enough, and in this case it wouldn't have worked as I highly doubt she would have drank alcohol even if I had brought some, but I will try it out for dates in the future.

As for heading to eat after the movie, I tried to keep the touching and momentum going, but without the movie she got a bit awkward and wanted to go eat.

I live in an apartment with one other roommate. I asked her if she wanted to meet up at her place or mine and she wanted to meet up in her dorm which I was cool with but now I see that the chances of getting the bang are less likely at her place.

Couple of questions - why do you think that the arm over the shoulder move is bullshit? It helped me escalate in this case. Also, how would you have went for the kiss when she would not turn her head?

[Dr. Howard]

Well, the date wasn't a disaster so I would mark it as a success for your first.

With regards to you comment about girls being really warm...thats only when they are nervous/turned on. So points for you on that one.

Last, if she's only drank once and no other guy has been back to her room, she is also a total rookie at this as well and was likely very nervous. No harm in hanging out with her again or re-doing the movie date. Get her to play some sort of hand holding game like palm reading or thumb wars aslo. She won't suspect anything from it if she's as green as you are.

[AllStar]

Thanks for the advice guys,

I texted a girl from Nepal (I met her on the same day as the Latina) and she wanted to come and study with me at the library so instead I grabbed lunch with her and set up a movie date for tomorrow. She lives with one other girl and two other guys. She said its more like a family though. If the guys are there when we watch the movie, then I think I can kiss escalation goodbye.

[Goldfinger]

If you have only one roommate, why aren't you having these girls come to your apartment instead of relying on other uncontrollable agents? You live far off campus?

Now let me explain (i should have done this earlier) why the arm over the shoulder works against you. If you have your arm over her, there is a tendency for her to sink into your body with her head on your chest or whatever. In this position it is extremely difficult to attempt to kiss a girl as your heads are not at the same level.

I want you to begin to develop the mentality of an assassin. Do not meet them for lunch(you cant bang them there) You're in college, invite them for a movie or study date at your place, then pick up from Tuth's game.

Remember always be escalating... a little liquor at the apartment wont hurt either.

[AllStar]

I live about a mile off campus, so not too far but the girl would have to take the bus or I would have to pick her up.

The arm over the shoulder explanation makes sense. Would it hurt to do this in the beginning of the movie and built up some momentum/sexual tension and then remove the arm a couple minutes before going for the make out?

[Nascimento]

Don't sweat it. Enjoy and have fun, learn to recognize areas where you did well and ones you can improve.

With time and more experience you will be killing it.

Try and push a little further each time, outside your comfort zone that is. And remember, if a girl is sitting close to you, being receptive to your touching, comfortable that close, and you are in a private location, the kiss should work naturally, 99% of the time. I know it seems difficult since you haven't kissed yet, but once you pull the trigger you will laugh at how simple it really is.

If there is one piece of advice I can give you is to be willing to make mistakes, learn from them, and enjoy the process.