[Distant Light]

(01-07-2015 05:07 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 04:56 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

Some solid stuff in here

Which as much as my focus and interest tends to go ashtray (high end scene doesn't play amazing music, atleast for me) when I'm actually there in the right setting I always am reminded "nothing else can compare to the quality".

NYE I purposely went to a house party type of event (chick who invited me was a model) and then decided to head over to my usual venues, went in free ($300 for a ticket) and PACKED with hot chicks. Not even 15mins in a rather short but hot russian chick (signature long pony tail) was hovering. (I was whacked out my mind way before even showing up)

Saw a few friends and was reminded that no matter how much I distance myself I will always comeback...

Your lifestyle coaching may not be that bad - you could monetize it similar to Christian McQueen offering it to wealthy Betas or guys learning Game, who want to get a feel for it. You would have to go out with another bloke that way, but it might net you easily 6 figures in a year while offering some really helpful coaching service.

Those guys might be able to copy that by going the "cool businessman" kind of route later on.

I met a few of those guys who tried such a Game in Warsaw. One dude flew over from London almost every weekend and had bottle service at the Platinium club in Warsaw. Problem is that Poland does not have much of a club culture, he himself was a rather sombre guy and to top it off he was not only overweight, but bordering firmly on the obese. Even in Warsaw girls were not impressed with him sufficiently.

For all other guys without boat-loads of money your route of becoming a night club "brand" as a cool "in-guy" is easier said than done. It's not impossible but very likely much harder than running Daygame or Nightgame in the bars of NYC.

But if you ever offer that kind of NYC VIP night game product I would be interested - I expect it to be costly, but that's fine.

1st I tried being a VIP host but it's "annoying" trying to get paid especially since now the business model is changing so the clubs I frequent only wanted to payout on people who spends $5k.

After, attempted coaching and stopped almost as fast as I started as it ended up fucking up my relationships with a few people...Thing is, no one knows me as someone who hangs out with other guys so for them it was "WTF is this!?!?!" (Few guys I had to call out in a "you're supposed to be my boy do me this 1 favor)

In the end, I learnt by me disclosing/showing and proving access I was killing the business because THE CLUBS only survive due to those whales willing to "buy access"...Even me "teaching" how to gain access and/or live sort of around the same mindset as guys "behind the scenes" I'm sort of betraying them.

However, the business model of "hot crowd" is becoming a sub-niche thanks to retarded social media and big name DJs...It's starting to turn into a vegas formula of using celeb/fame followings to gain revenue. (In 2012, it was only 1 club that did this...Now it's 4 which is alot since venues never used to be big. My fav venue who still has the old business model was so strict they wouldn't even open the club section on weekends if their wasn't enough people.)

This is why my next launch I have a "bonus" book disclosing many mindsets of these people as I personally wish to maintain the "old" business model. (Nothing better hearing awesome music amongst gorgeous women)

P.S...Maybe it was due to me being the "connect", a friend of mine had someone coming to NY and wanted to do bottle service so I hit up a friend who hangs out with about 10-30 models each outing. He was willing my friend of a friend pay $1,000 to go to dinner with him and hang at his table all night. (Which is actually a SOLID DEAL given that $1,000 would get him 2 bottle for the night and a table alone)

(01-07-2015 11:47 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 05:07 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

For all other guys without boat-loads of money your route of becoming a night club "brand" as a cool "in-guy" is easier said than done. It's not impossible but very likely much harder than running Daygame or Nightgame in the bars of NYC.

I seriously wonder if this is teachable.

WIA

I think it is, at the sametime I've been like this for so long (3 years) that it actually just feels so normal like I don't see no other way living.

Many people who've implemented alot of my mindset have never actually attempted what I did with the exception of 1 guy who he stated while at a club owners penthouse ALMOST about to have a 3some the guy said "how the hell are you so awesome, where did you learn to be like that?"

Most people just find it intimidating which is a "trick" for the high end scene to keep guys out. If guys know the loophole then it lowers the barrier of entry. In the past, it was all about "who's on the list" as in actual names NOW it's more of "who is in the know". Many times I would go to new clubs with know connections and I'd get in because they could tell "I'm in the know". (I only used to roll solo in one of the best venues because they thought I was a model scout, I don't think they ever seen me hangout with a guy...Many people for years thought I had no guy friends)

(01-08-2015 04:15 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

It's hard if you are introverted - essentially you put on an Extrovert's skin and play it for the night similarly to an actor - doing some magic white powder helps with that. Long term I doubt that guys will be able to pull it off effectively as they won't enjoy the process much.

The guy I mentioned in the Warsaw clubs - he was too laid back and introverted to run club Game. He would have been better served at renting a good central apartment in Warsaw and running weekly parties there as a host. He could have paid a student connector to organize a surplus of girls.

But alas - back then I did not have a clue about official Game teachings and such ideas would not cross my mind and his neither.

BOLD is 100% true, I always tell people I got "in" because I genuinely loved partying and the music that was being played. (back then it was either mashup or some GOOD edm) Were talking about Swedish House mafia randomly shows up and tiesto hears that they're spinning so he leaves his paid gig just to party/play with swedish house mafia.

NOW, you have people like dash berlin not even playing anything good as if he gives 2 shits. Also, they stopped with the local DJs who played edgy stuff whether it was hiphop, trap, indie dance, etc.

I always tell people to focus more on what they genuinely want. Connecting with 1 guy and just bringing girls into that world is sufficient enough for any recreational dude. (Back in 2012, I had like 12-14 social circles totally unnecessary for someone who doesn't like partying hard and living an active social life)

A community friend of mine once said a "community" guy tried to BUY HIS WAY IN ($1k each night) and of course instantly ended up becoming a client. In the end, he bought/started a promotional company ahahahahaha that ironically a friend of mine manages. (If he is supporting my friends ventures, then he just recently started a modeling agency too)

P.S...You're right about that warsaw guy he would've been better off doing what you stated. HOWEVER, these type of guys are the perfect guys who can "provide resources" as you "provide girls", this is ironically how I knew so many wall street dudes who clearly if you saw us together you'd wonder "how'd these 2 meet and become friend?"

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Post: #50RE: What Would It Take To Swoop a VS Model
I had a chance once. I dated a Vogue covergirl for a little while. We only dated for about a month and I've wracked my brain trying to figure out what I did wrong. Truth is, I didn't do anything wrong. I played it right and tight and yet I still couldn't make it happen.

I'm definitely upper middle class. I make well into the 6 figures. I'd certainly be considered alpha by all normal standards. I have perfect logistics and know game.

I just couldn't compete with her memories. I couldn't compete with the guys who have the apartment in paris, country home in the french countryside and the villa in Bali. This shit is real. I've got a great home in a great town in the best neighborhood. But thats it.

Talking to her seemed like she was name dropping all the time, but she wasn't, she really was friends with such and such grammy winning world famous rocker and said rocker's wife is her best friend. She really was backstage at Jay Z and Beyonce in Paris. She really did attend that event the other night with the president.

There was nothing I could do.

This used to be a problem for me because I have nothing superficial to offer and lots of girls used to FLAKE because there going to hamptons or doing some other "over the top" stuff.

The secret sauce though is that I legitimately had fun and went out for adventures. These environments are BORING and I kinda leveraged that understanding that "when I show up shit is gonna get wild". At 1st people, used to try and say I was "stealing their girls" until they realize that was far from the truth. Those same people then decided to just align with me because any table I was at was 100% guaranteed to be the best table of the night.

Also, I didn't give 2 shits about the status/fame and actually preferred to stay away from it. This made chicks never talk about it and sort of be in a "rebel" conspiracy with me since it was sort of a "either you're here to have fun or get the fuck off the table".

I always like sharing this video... (1 of the only hiphop songs I liked in ages)

P.S...Russians are one of my favs sadly there haven't been that many in the past 2 years. I love "ice queens" and chicks who show no emotions.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-08-2015 09:03 AM)Downtown Wrote:  

I had a chance once. I dated a Vogue covergirl for a little while. We only dated for about a month and I've wracked my brain trying to figure out what I did wrong. Truth is, I didn't do anything wrong. I played it right and tight and yet I still couldn't make it happen.

I'm definitely upper middle class. I make well into the 6 figures. I'd certainly be considered alpha by all normal standards. I have perfect logistics and know game.

I just couldn't compete with her memories. I couldn't compete with the guys who have the apartment in paris, country home in the french countryside and the villa in Bali. This shit is real. I've got a great home in a great town in the best neighborhood. But thats it.

Talking to her seemed like she was name dropping all the time, but she wasn't, she really was friends with such and such grammy winning world famous rocker and said rocker's wife is her best friend. She really was backstage at Jay Z and Beyonce in Paris. She really did attend that event the other night with the president.

There was nothing I could do.

Granted, she was a little bit older (30) and was already looking into the future where her looks and fame didn't carry the day for her. She was looking for an Alpha/Fame/Provider type.

I just couldn't make it happen. I've debriefed it many times trying to ID what I did wrong but I really dont think there was much I could do.

Russian super models are there are own special class of game. Game, I don't have. Give me your standard american 8 and I've got no problems, but this globe trotting cover girl stuff I just couldn't manage.

Sadly, I doubt I'll get many more chances to refine my russian super model game haha.

Oh well!

That reminds of this one story Heartiste told where he actually tried to have a LTR with a girl - a beautiful one (9 at his high standards), 26 or 27, super-intelligent & making 6 digits in DC. The problem was that due to her high value her ex-boyfriend was a guy from a truly wealthy family with a current trust fund of over 100 mio. $. Even as Heartiste tried everything, he simply could not hold on to her as I guess his real value was not high enough to her. Heartiste likely makes 6 figures, but what is that really as she does so too?

Ultimately guys with Game can bang those girls of course, but having them in a LTR - you would have to raise your value sufficiently. On the other hand it happens with men making barely 200k, but marrying models with fortunes in excess of 5 mio. $.

However most of us are not interested in marrying them, so it works out.

[DVY]

^^^LMAO. The funny thing is that only works when the girl is not well off, but intimately around wealth. Whens a girl's beauty is her ONLY currency, expect to pay a pretty penny.

When a girls family is loaded, $ means fuck all.

From the russian girl, whos family is in oil money (def hottie but living out in miami)
to the rich chinese fob girl (whos family own one of the largest beer companies in China)
to the rich Vancouver asian chick (whos family owns skyscrapers)
to the Thai girl (whos family owns resorts in Thailand)

Thats just a shortlist of girls Ive been involved with . $ is only important enough that you aren't trying to STEAL from her.

[Distant Light]

(01-11-2015 05:54 AM)DVY Wrote:  

^^^LMAO. The funny thing is that only works when the girl is not well off, but intimately around wealth. Whens a girl's beauty is her ONLY currency, expect to pay a pretty penny.

When a girls family is loaded, $ means fuck all.

From the russian girl, whos family is in oil money (def hottie but living out in miami)
to the rich chinese fob girl (whos family own one of the largest beer companies in China)
to the rich Vancouver asian chick (whos family owns skyscrapers)
to the Thai girl (whos family owns resorts in Thailand)

Thats just a shortlist of girls Ive been involved with . $ is only important enough that you aren't trying to STEAL from her.

That's actually very interesting because 2 of the richest girls I messed with... (that I know were rich)
- 1 was a daughter of a billionarie family (I can't remember which time she said BUT a quarterback in the NFL was trying to setup a date with her while we were in the taxi...she flaked to stick with me)
- 1 was a trustfund volunteer type (majority of her time spent at charity/gala events)

Trustfund wanted to slowdown on seeing me because she knew I would never date her AND she wanted to date me. Keep in mind, I am by no means "well off" hahahaha.

Most hot chicks are with these guys because of their options. Imagine you're in her shoes who do you bang...
1. The "decent" guy who does his IT job in the week and watch sports games at the bar on weekends
2. The "decent" guy who owns the IT company and each weekend takes a 2-3 day trip providing a honeymoon-like experience.

There both decent, so might as well pick the one with more money.

Also, I think one of the problems stems from THE MAN trying to keep her or fear of losing her. My friend who used to date the VS model isn't rich by any means BUT alot of people who don't know him, criticize him in "shock" because he isn't physically good looking. However, I know dude could careless if chick would have left because when it comes to "models" him and his circle of friends know more than most people. (The Brazilian VS Models are part of their social circle)

I find MOST CHICKS I mess with are willing to date me due to my demeanor. I'm very indifferent as I always say "I leave the door open for girls to come and go as they please"...

If they stick around I know they genuinely enjoy the experience they have being with me.

P.S...When I 1st started with all this I did come across a few chicks like this it made me think "damn guys in NY are doing it too big for me". Eventually, when I started just living in my own world, these same girls used to send texts like "When I comeback in NY we have to meet" or "You sound like someone who really has fun, what are you doing xyz day?"

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-11-2015 10:25 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

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Most hot chicks are with these guys because of their options. Imagine you're in her shoes who do you bang...
1. The "decent" guy who does his IT job in the week and watch sports games at the bar on weekends
2. The "decent" guy who owns the IT company and each weekend takes a 2-3 day trip providing a honeymoon-like experience.

There both decent, so might as well pick the one with more money.

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If they stick around I know they genuinely enjoy the experience they have being with me.

P.S...When I 1st started with all this I did come across a few chicks like this it made me think "damn guys in NY are doing it too big for me". Eventually, when I started just living in my own world, these same girls used to send texts like "When I comeback in NY we have to meet" or "You sound like someone who really has fun, what are you doing xyz day?"

All girls fundamentally react positively to an exciting Alpha - regardless whether he is rich or poor.

But ultimately I found that in the upper circles there are tons of women looking to rise socially - so called gold-diggers. The very wealthy ones did not care about money. The ones looking for Mr. Big were of a different breed - they liked and fucked Mr. Wrong as well, but were less likely to stick around with him.

Apart from that there is a r-selected and a k-selected use of money. R-selected use is exemplified by Dan Bilzerian by throwing grand parties, boosting his fame via a PR company and just offering girls a fun time and travel. K-selected use of money would be limousines, expensive dinners and some touristy travel experiences.

Most girls in their prime would go for the r-selected money guy and would later on at 28+ look for k-selected money guy. Also we know of course that money/social status is only one of the attraction points that work on women - if they are looking to party, then an exciting night with Distant Light is way more interesting than even a date with potential Mr. Right and NBA star, who gets the approval of her dad - meaning that he is likely a "decent" guy who would want to wife her up.
That is even exacerbated when she herself is wealthy and has no need of a meal ticket.

[Brotein]

I thikn if you just approached them, they would love it. A lot of girls who are beautiful do not get approached as much as you think, so when you do (especially fi you're handsome, well dressed, good shape, chearming etc) they will love it.

I pulled a model before and she just admired my confidence and balls to approach her ina coffee shop.

[Easy_C]

Be careful not to over-generalize. It may be entirely possible to pull it off with much stronger confidence and better looks alone than other men. One of the old Denver Lair's organizers married a high class model and he did by good looks, hobbies that he is passionate about, masculinity, and an unshakeable frame. That said, keep in mind that models are often models because they're attracted to the glory and for access to higher echelons of society so money can be a big pull. There's a reason Wall Streeters use the term "models and bottles" to describe a good party.

[Cage]

Honestly I think models and actresses are some of the most overrated women.

Models are rated only by the ugly people who run the agencies !

[Vinny]

Just finished reading the whole thread.
This is in my opinion one of the best threads in the game section. Full of advice and life examples.

However I have a question. Why do you need a VS model? Her looks or her money and status? If the answer is looks (it is for me) then you might wanna choose another strategy.

I would like to have a girl who looks like a model, but I would never want to date an actual successful model. Banging few model wannabes and low level models was enough for me to realize that those at times have the worst personalities. Not mentioning their being busy schedules and you not being a priority in their life.

One of the most beautiful girls I have ever encountered in my life was in a bus from Krasnodar to Anapa (in south Russia) she had natural light red hair, bright green eyes, and amazing body. Her face was perfect. She was truly stunning. She and her boyfriend boarded in small town/village and sat right next to me on a back seat. The guy was blocking the view, but I have seen enough. She was in love giggling with this village boy with a SMV 5 points lower than hers. Probably he is the best guy in the limited choice she has in her village.

I think it is more wise to travel to these far away places and find unspoiled girls who have the same potential if not better than these models. Get an eye of spotting them. Learn to see the real beauty overlooking clothing and make-up.