[OSL]

Since my first trip to Asia in 2006 I've been landing/attracting a lot of attractive Asian girls/women between the ages of 28-35 that have dough, their own crib, and own car. There are a lot of things I like about dating older chicks - better in bed, less crazy drama, less tendency to try to leech dough off me, will lend me their car (I was 19-22 at the time and didn't have wheels in Asia), will pay for drinks/bottles when we go out. I even got a couple job offers through her social circles.

Does anyone else here have good stories and experiences with Asian cougars and sugar mamas (in Asia)?

[hydrogonian]

Definitely. I had a whole dramatic story about one that is one these forums somewhere. I have no idea where though.

Its a great, great market.

Although, I wouldn't bank on the 'less drama' part. Especially if she is limited in experience (common) or looking for someone to come and save her from her life due to her age.

[OSL]

hmmm....how old were you when you were dating these women, hydro? I was like 19-22 compared to their 28-35, which I think had a big impact on their not viewing me as a provider type, or someone who could save them in any way. Who knows though.

[hydrogonian]

I was 29-30.

I know what you mean by not being seen as a provider, and you will be less seen as that especially if she has money.

But the wild shit that will go through some of their minds, I have no idea where it comes from. Age and a career, hers or yours, is no inoculation against the special brand of 'crazy' that some of these women embody.

And finding a provider, I found, is the least of the worries of some of these women. I don't really view that as an issue in older Asian women with their own money. It is more of an issue with very young and poor Asian women.

That's because that some of the older women have gone down that road with Asian men / husbands, and it left them with a huge hole in their hearts romantically and sexually.

So, a lot of them are looking for sexual / romantic qualities in you, and if she finds it then the resultant attachment can be worse than it could ever be if she were just looking for a provider. Especially if it comes after many years of romantic negligence in her life.

However, I think that that dynamic is what also part of what makes them superior in bed. Its a double edged sword.

[ModernRUBIROSA]

"That's because that some of the older women have gone down that road with Asian men / husbands, and it left them with a huge hole in their hearts romantically and sexually.

So, a lot of them are looking for sexual / romantic qualities in you, and if she finds it then the resultant attachment can be worse than it could ever be if she were just looking for a provider. Especially if it comes after many years of romantic negligence in her life."

You hit this right on the money. Keep in mind alot of Asian males are beta provider type men and they were raised that way so they are aggressive in a sense when it comes to education, work, etc. Now outside of that they are not known for the romantic or sexual prowess. I am in no way knocking Asian men and/or culture since I am Asian myself and grew up in an Asian neighborhood (626 area code in California) but I agree with you spot on when you say they are not looking for providers since they have their own money etc. and is looking to fill a romantic/sexual void.

[MiXX]

What part of Asia specifically guys?



Mixx

[OSL]

(04-17-2011 08:26 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

What part of Asia specifically guys?



Mixx

Shanghai, Beijing, Seoul

[CJ]

Hmm, I know the inverse is completely useless, as I very briefly saw a mid-20s Asian, that lived at home, paid for nothing and was about as sexually advanced as a 16 year old.

Are there any Asian women like this in America? I think it's high time I got some Asian girls to pay for my drinks.

[OSL]

(dupe)

[oldnemesis]

(04-17-2011 12:56 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Although, I wouldn't bank on the 'less drama' part. Especially if she is limited in experience (common) or looking for someone to come and save her from her life due to her age.

I will second that. Especially stay away from those who have never been married, have no children and give you the impression that she feels like her biological clocks are ticking.

[CJ]

(04-17-2011 09:13 PM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

She'd yell at me in front of other coworkers for not doing a good job on reports, then immediately start dirty texting me. I was mindfucked the entire summer, not sure what to expect from her."

Ha! Gotta wonder how you'd handle her now. That's still an awesome story.

[UrbanNerd]

Did someone say "sugarmamas"??

If you are for sure that this is common, I will be on Kayak tonight.

[Excelsior]

There's some serious potential for this market in countries like Japan. Here's an example of a guy who has exploited it:

http://www.blackpassenger.com/

A Jamaican guy who has lived and worked in japan for about a decade. The dude has caused dozens of pregnancies and run through many more women there(he's married and still living there now). He has done this by concentrating on one particular segment of the female populace and maximizing its potential: the "untouchables".

These are, to define it vaguely and simply, women aged 28+, slightly past their prime and no loner as "kawai"(cute) as the japanese ideal dictates though often still at least 7's and maybe even 8-9's by western standards.

If you understand Japan's sexual dynamics, you'll get why he does so well. Japan might have more in the way of sexless marriages/LTRs than any other country. There is also a lot of pressure related to social issues(sexual repression) and work that gets pent-up in many of the people. Lots of overworked older girls past their prime who are either unhappy in their marriages to their salaryman who works 14-16 hours a day and, if he makes good money, takes plenty of paid action on the side and sometimes gets paid trips from the company to Thailand and the Philippines (read: not much time left to satisfy her).

The sexual repression is extensive enough to cause a relative high incidence of virginity in older girls-it isn't that hard to find a decent looking woman 28+ with relatively little(maybe 1-3 partners) sexual experience, or a 25 year old virgin. The author found one woman who was near 50, a bona fide milf(as are most older Japanese women), and hadn't had sex for 2 decades.

Learn the language and bring some game, and (at least in theory) you can clean up.

He explains everything in this video-check it out, it is a long interview but absolutely worth it for the insight.

(Skip to 11:00 for discussion more relevant to our interests, 15:00 is where he talks about the sexual repression/frustration among Japanese girls that makes him so damn successful there)

Excerpts from the book here:
http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=1800
http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=1811

Take some cues from this guy if you're gonna work the older woman angle in East Asia.

[OSL]

Bangkok is the shit.

[Screwston]

Would it be easier going to Asia trying to get some MILFs instead of younger girls?

[maestrobaires]

i had a japanese cougar in my early 20's when i studied at SVA in new york. she was an arts agent and i was getting lot of commissioned work through her. those were the days

i had asian (hong kong and japan mostly) fellow student girls too. needless to say, everything was paid by them

mostly they were not clingy and no psycho game involved

i have a japanese chat mate, a dance instructor, mid-40's, literally begging me to bang her as soon as possible

like in business, your ideal is an unsaturated niche, neglected by the others and asian MILFs certainly are! just about anywhere in asia, guys flock looking for young bimbos

same as in latin america, go after westernized ones, who speak fluent english

[Moma]

One of my Chinese friends said that black guys clean up in Japan. Asian women also tend to look younger in general so even if you go for MILFs, they will still look prettier and more fertile than a regular North American 22 year old in general.

[Chewbacon]

I dk about cougars, but my friends are telling me that EVERY FOREIGNER cleans up in Japan. We have Chinese and Indian friends who are below average looking (but perhaps above average in game) who are absolutely swimming in pussy in Japan. I don't know why, I don't know how, but it just is.

[Moma]

Maybe because it is a very monolithic culture. Also, a female friend of mine told me that porn is illegal in Japan. In addition, they always seem to live out their fantasies in their adult cartoons.

I remember being puzzled by a few of the manga and anime films I liked to watch back in the days such as 'Lord of the Overfiend" and 'Fist of the NorthStar'.

Ninja Scrolls also had some pretty different fantasies too.

So with that in mention, anytime a foreigner comes without the drapings of sex being taboo, perhaps the locals go wild and pound the ish out of him.

This of course, is a speculation and I could be wrong.

[OSL]

Any Tokyo stories?

[Excelsior]

(04-19-2011 12:10 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Also, a female friend of mine told me that porn is illegal in Japan.

This is about as far from the truth as you can get. Japan has the second largest porn industry on Earth, just behind the US, and that's just when you count a couple of basic categories(i.e. who has the largest studios). In some categories Japan is easily #1(ex: proliferation online). Japan's porn industry, in terms of profit, is worth more than the entire yearly budget for the entire Japanese Self Defense Force(Air Force, Army, Navy combined).

That's right-porn in Japan is worth even more than the military.

Part of this is due to sexual frustration and repression, which is common in Japan and helps to drive consumption (and also create a lot of variety in themes, some of which are quite odd). That frustration is felt by a lot of the women there, so some foreigners who know where to look(like the guy I spoke bout earlier in this thread) can easily clean up with them.

The black fetish held by many Japanese girls is well known, though it still takes some work on the guy's part to properly benefit from it.

[maestrobaires]

if you play it right, japan is a heaven! your age doesn't matter. one of my best friends in hos mid 50's has a 28 year old girlfriend

also when i was in my late 20's i scored with ladies in their early 40's

[Gringo]

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Also, a female friend of mine told me that porn is illegal in Japan.

Come on everyone knows that the Japanese are crazy about porn (usually freaky and downright bizzare stuff too). They do tend to blur out the sexual organs in films though yet something like insect porn will be acceptable, bizzarely .

[Moma]

(04-19-2011 07:44 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(04-19-2011 12:10 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Also, a female friend of mine told me that porn is illegal in Japan.

This is about as far from the truth as you can get. Japan has the second largest porn industry on Earth, just behind the US, and that's just when you count a couple of basic categories(i.e. who has the largest studios). In some categories Japan is easily #1(ex: proliferation online). Japan's porn industry, in terms of profit, is worth more than the entire yearly budget for the entire Japanese Self Defense Force(Air Force, Army, Navy combined).

That's right-porn in Japan is worth even more than the military.

I am almost certain it is illegal unless they have legalised it now. My friend even showed me a link that stated it is illegal in Japan. I cannot pull up that link because I am at work right now and I don't want to throw the word porn into the search engine and register on the work servers.

Please bear in mind that just because a place produces a lot of something doesn't mean that it is legal.

I mean you can score tons of weed in Jamaica but it is actually illegal there. But I bet you didn't know that from all those rastas you see with a joint perpetually dangling from their lips.

[Excelsior]

(04-20-2011 10:24 AM)Moma Wrote:  

I am almost certain it is illegal unless they have legalised it now. My friend even showed me a link that stated it is illegal in Japan. I cannot pull up that link because I am at work right now and I don't want to throw the word porn into the search engine and register on the work servers.

Is this link roughly heading in the direction you speak of?
http://www.japanprobe.com/2006/01/31/why...-censored/

According to this article, Meiji era law banned pornographic material, claiming it to be "injurious to public morals". This law remains on the books to this day(the American occupiers did not see fit to change it) and so pornography could, if this is read a certain way, be termed illegal.

The thing is that the wording makes it difficult to make a hard claim regarding illegality. Censored porn (by virtue of its obscuring much of the hardcore action) is technically legal under this definition, which explains why Japanese porn to this day is still censored. In spite of the censorship of the hardcore action(fully revealed bodies engaged in sexual acts with only the genitalia blurred out), most of us would still deem this ostensibly legal material to constitute pornography.

Furthermore, the definition of what is "injurious to public morals" has been shifting consistently lately. A decade ago, pubic hair had to be censored-this is increasingly no longer the case, and today the mosaics that cover the genitalia are far thinner than they once were.

Uncensored movies are legal online so long as they are "made for export". There are about a million entirely legal loopholes around this prohibition, which is why uncensored Japanese porn is so common online. It is also technically illegal to bring porn into Japan I believe.

But pornography in general/as a whole is not illegal in Japan at all. Censored porn is legal, as is the viewing of uncensored porn (again, with loopholes).

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I mean you can score tons of weed in Jamaica but it is actually illegal there. But I bet you didn't know that from all those rastas you see with a joint perpetually dangling from their lips.

I was aware. I am a Jamaican, and spent most of my formative years there with my family, most of whom are still on the island.

Cannabis is technically illegal in Jamaica, but is more tolerated in practice. While the books say that cultivating, selling and using it is entirely illegal, these laws often go without enforcement. This is why you see it out in the open so often while there.There are also some legal loopholes that are fairly easy to exploit. This has a tendency, of course, to give an impression of open legality to those less informed about the nation.

This being said, I understand your larger point.