[Constitution45]

I am in need of some advice. I have been trying to avoid my friend's girlfriend for over a year now. However this weekend she had a birthday party and I didn't turn up or send her any message.

I would prefer to be up front to my friend for the reasons why, but this girl is an expert sociopath and from past experience, I feel that it would make matters a lot more worse. Knowing that he has an incredible amount of influence on him as well as a friendship circle that I do want to stay in touch with.


In regards to what this girl x has done.


- She has multiple boyfriends including him as well as orbitors who take "orbiting" to the whole next level.


- Used to live with her and my friend along with a group of girls.
She would pretty much have sex with him when I was in the room, to try and make me jealous. Also the situation tense between me and my friend, because he didn't tell me that they were "seeing each other".


- Tried to place black magic on me, through gifts via my friend. Told me how she had the ability to harm people who scorned her.

- Made life difficult for people that she didn't like, slept with her ex boyfriends brother, while they were still together etc.

- Tried to come on to me at least two times, when she was supposedly together with my friend. Grabbing my crotch, rubbing up and down against me while getting me to grab her tits. This was as soon as he left the room.



I had to put up with this for a year, but I was the one put in the bad light because she would be nice to me when everyone was around. Plus by the sounds of it people thought I had a big crush on her. Eventually this event turned me to the red pill and all matters improved. However she is still trying to wheel her influence over me.


As much as I would love to my friend all of this, he has been presented with evidence enough times, he knows what she is like. So I decided to stay away and avoid her at all costs. Now however I have been again made out to be the bad guy because I wouldn't contact her.

Question is how should I approach this. I am dealing with a sociopath here, at the same time I don't want to lose connection with my friend, although it looks like that is happening now because my aloofness to his love of his life. At the same time, I don't want to be fake and have a connection with her at all.


The reason why I post this on here, is because this event truly shaped my red pill belief system well and truly. Also this is about dealing with female sociopaths and friendships, best way to deal with both topics. Any advice or suggestion, previous experience, I would truly appreciate.

TLDR;

Crazy sociopathic friend's girlfriend who I used to be close with. Is still trying to exercise influence from me. Should I cut off distance completely even with my friend or find a way to let him know. Or just play it cool and hold off for a while.

[heavy]

Is she attractive? WYB her?

Sounds like you're either into her (like, would bang her) or she's into you (even if only for jealousy purpose). That can be the only reason she'd fuck your boy in the same room as you.

What does "friend's girlfriend who I used to be close with" mean?

She's toxic. You can have or not have the convo with your buddy. It won't matter in regards to his relationship with you, unless he solicits advice from you.

Either way, you either are fine being the bad guy and don't worry about it, or you aren't fine with it and you do what you need to do to not associate with them.

[Constitution45]

(11-17-2014 12:10 PM)heavy Wrote:  

Is she attractive? WYB her?

Sounds like you're either into her (like, would bang her) or she's into you.

She is EE, in the past I would of but now I would stay away from her like the plague.

[Grange]

Your friend must be fucking clueless. You might be better off avoiding both of them.

[ChrisPitts]

Sounds like you've had a few conversations with your friend about it. I'd be upfront with him that you don't wish to associate with her. He'll know why. Extricate them both from your life.

You won't be the first or the last guy to have lost a friend from bad pussy.

[AneroidOcean]

As others have said, I would flat out not associate with her at all. If your friend asks, tell him that he knows why you don't want to associate with her and it's not like you hate her, you just would rather not be around her.

If any of the rest of your shared social circle believe her over you, that reflects on them, not on you.

I doubt there's a compelling enough reason to associate with her or your friend at all, but if for some reason you can't let it go, make sure you have irrefutable evidence of her trying to fuck you to back up your accusation of her being a wanton lying slut.

[Constitution45]

I do appreciate all the advice. Yes problem is, if I do tell them the reasons wh I don't like her, this and that; they would accuse me of being jealous. As I said before she does have a very strong influence over people, even if the friend caught her being gang banged he would still rationalise it.

[iknowexactly]

(11-17-2014 12:10 PM)heavy Wrote:  

Is she attractive? WYB her?

Sounds like you're either into her (like, would bang her) or she's into you (even if only for jealousy purpose). That can be the only reason she'd fuck your boy in the same room as you.

What does "friend's girlfriend who I used to be close with" mean?

She's toxic. You can have or not have the convo with your buddy. It won't matter in regards to his relationship with you, unless he solicits advice from you.

Either way, you either are fine being the bad guy and don't worry about it, or you aren't fine with it and you do what you need to do to not associate with them.

I agree that OP is in some sense into her, he may not be aware of his own jealousy.

But talking to the friend about it? No way in my opinion, all that does is cause them to form an alliance against the OP. She'll successfully blame it on the OP, saying HE was coming on to her.

If the guy is really into a very deceptive and promiscuous girl, there's nothing you can do-- he's into her more than he's in to you as his friend.

Sounds like you're young and in your 20s, if so you'll find out all these "friendships" that sound so important tend to gradually fade away as guys pair up and get more and more involved with women they like.

Probably the hardest thing to accept about "red pill" realism is that you're on your own in life.

[iknowexactly]

(11-17-2014 07:56 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

I do appreciate all the advice. Yes problem is, if I do tell them the reasons wh I don't like her, this and that; they would accuse me of being jealous. As I said before she does have a very strong influence over people, even if the friend caught her being gang banged he would still rationalise it.

You're expecting people to understand and sympathize with you, it's unrealistic.

Use what is called "fogging" or "broken record" in therapy terms. Deflect questions without any confrontation. You can't fix the situation, just diffuse it.

"My GF says you won't talk to her any more."
"Oh I've just been busy."
"But she says you won't talk to her at all"
"Really? Hmmm don't know.. Been doing a lot of stuff. Seen my new car?"
"are you mad at her?"
"Mad? No... Work has been really strange lately. We have this new boss....

Tune the guy out if she's successfully setting him after you. Guys lose friends to girlfriends/wives ALL THE TIME in their 20s-30s. It's womens' mission to divert his resources to their kids/potential kids.

Technically, you're in the "denial" stage of grieving about losing your friend.

[iamdegaussed]

Fucking black magic?

Sounds crazy as hell. WB.

[FretDancer]

Why are you even around these kind of people?

[seabridge]

Some guys are really blind. Some years ago in High School, most student went to Prague to party for a week. My best friend for 10 years had just met his girlfriend, who was a well known party slut in our small town. The whole week he is complaining that she dance with other dudes and she dont even want to blow him. At valentines day, he pays for expensive dinner. Same night she fucks and blows another dude from our School at karlovy lazne toilets. Second round at a hotel room just next to his. He even told his girl that i forced him to the stripclub, which i didnt. One week after, they were together again and still to this day he uses 100s on dollars on her. Cut him and her completely

[bojangles]

Hardest part of the red pill I feel is breaking up with friends. It becomes easier over time but those with a toxic and negative influence need to be removed from your life.

The path normally follows as

Friends (see each other a lot) --> Acquaintances (once a month or every few months) --> Someone you know on Facebook

As much as you like your friend, he'll have an influence on your actions and behaviours as long as you're friends. I'd disassociate myself from both of them.

[h3ltrsk3ltr]

Law 10: Avoid the unhappy and unlucky

http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.com/2011...y-and.html

http://books.google.com/books/about/The_...Cxg5sogvAC

[lowside]

(11-18-2014 07:21 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Hardest part of the red pill I feel is breaking up with friends. It becomes easier over time but those with a toxic and negative influence need to be removed from your life.

word for word what i wanted to post.

just take this advice.

[Phoenix]

+1 On Law 10.

I only associate with men now who's company I find valuable in some way (e.g. they are a go-getter, they have good insight/information etc). None of this 'old times sake' bullcrap. I don't even associate with family members, beyond the bare minimum, due to their negative influence.

I'd vastly rather be spending time with chicks, having a good life, and improving myself, than be worrying or concerning myself with ball-and-chains and sinking ships.

Push the sociopath and her prey out of your life. The fact that you care about their opinion is the problem, not the opinion itself.

[Constitution45]

I see the general consensus is to stay away from him.

Yes I was close to her, in the sense that she was always there for me. When my friend and mentor died she was the only person to really show compassion. On top of that she became a replacement girlfriend after my one at the time broke up with me. Along with this I was blue pill and still had idealistic tendencies. Instinctively I didn't smash her because I had a feeling something was right. However one night I did make out with her, this was when she went on destroy mode.

I actually left the country for a while, and assumed that when I come back I would haven't to see her, and me and my friend could get on fine again. (not saying there was a big issue before).
However it seems that she is going to be coming relatively often to this city.


Point is she is a nasty piece of work, was able to get a hold of me, hence why I stay clear of any contact from her tentacles. Looks like I will have to make the next step and break off completely.

[AneroidOcean]

(11-18-2014 02:15 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

Point is she is a nasty piece of work, was able to get a hold of me, hence why I stay clear of any contact from her tentacles. Looks like I will have to make the next step and break off completely.

This may seem like an extreme oversimplification, but this is VERY similar to how people get attached to their possessions.

Once you get rid of things that you initially thought would be very painful to get rid of, it's like ripping off a band-aid, once some minimal time has passed you'll never think about or regret the action EVER AGAIN.

All those clothes and semi-mementos I gave away in a garage sale a year or two ago? Haven't worried about it one bit since then.

All those sometimes lame, but generally okay friends that I used to interact with for nostalgia's sake? Those friends that I stopped hanging out with? I've never even thought "oh man, I wish I could hang out with them again...maybe just for a special occasion" and instead have had thoughts of "wow, am I glad I found new, actually better friends."