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(11-21-2014 11:21 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

The primary market for dick pills is the average (meaning overweight) and out of shape American cheeseburger-breath prole who can't see his own dick without using a mirror. Remember too, most of those guys are married to boner-killing fat broads who couldn't arouse a recently released parolee.

That image has had me laughing for the past 10 minutes. Thank you!

[Dalaran1991]

Lol Slickkyboy, you should be a standup comedian.

Thanks people for your advice, I'm all for the abundance mentality mindset but I also know that getting quality girl is hard, sometimes you need to put the work in. Here's an update on this girl:

Went on another date with her today before the party. Everything was smooth. Actually one of the best dates in my life. We behave more like lovers. Passionate make out in public, walking hand in hand. etc. Took her to the coolest bar in town and she was impressed. She shares some pretty intimate life stories with me and was amazed at how I responded.

Venue change to a creperie where they make awesome French crepes. I go here all the time with my main girl the waiter, pretty cool guy recognize me. Again she loves the place. When he comes for my order he asked if I always want the caramel sauce as usual. Girl was impressed at social proof.

Food was good. Fun date. So much kissing and even some foreplay. Lol the old couple next to us said this as they were leaving "goodbye children, and thank you for the distraction" "you are welcome sir" then I told girl "they forgot to pay us for the entertainment" she laughed so hard

Waiter guy came "sir, if you want a tea or coffee, it's on the house" DHV as fuck. I tipped the guy well. She paid for the food. On the way to the party I pinned her on a wall and made out passionately. Tried to work the logistics out while she's still horny but she really had to go home (yeah... right)

As soon as we hit the party all intimate stuff stop. I game all the other girls and she seems to be gaming some guys as usual. Danced a lot with each other and she was more intimate with me, but nothing serious.

Party end, I proposed that we leave together, she complied. Took her to the train station. More making out and goodbye.

2 possibilities:

-She may be a player just like me, which to be honest I don't really mind. As long as I fuck her I dont care. That way I get freedom to game other girls.

-Assuming everything she said is true (we're not that naive heh) I feel like I'm in a typical courtship situation. Both are trying to get to know each other while keeping options open. And French girls do love being chased. Granted it could have swung much in my favor if I fucked her well.

I need to keep pushing for the bang. She says she's "not comfortable" but I keep my light hearted frame. With proper logistics I hope this will happen soon.

Either way I think this is a milestone in my game. At this point the bang wouldn't really matter that much (pedagogically) because, for learning game purpose I've accomplished a ton: successfully gaming and leading a french girl on HER OWN FUCKING CITY. She said it herself I'm more Parisian than she is. This can only springboard to more white girls in the future.

[JayJuanGee]

(11-21-2014 12:11 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Lol Slickkyboy, you should be a standup comedian.

Thanks people for your advice, I'm all for the abundance mentality mindset but I also know that getting quality girl is hard, sometimes you need to put the work in. Here's an update on this girl:

Went on another date with her today before the party. Everything was smooth. Actually one of the best dates in my life. We behave more like lovers. Passionate make out in public, walking hand in hand. etc. Took her to the coolest bar in town and she was impressed. She shares some pretty intimate life stories with me and was amazed at how I responded.

Venue change to a creperie where they make awesome French crepes. I go here all the time with my main girl the waiter, pretty cool guy recognize me. Again she loves the place. When he comes for my order he asked if I always want the caramel sauce as usual. Girl was impressed at social proof.

Food was good. Fun date. So much kissing and even some foreplay. Lol the old couple next to us said this as they were leaving "goodbye children, and thank you for the distraction" "you are welcome sir" then I told girl "they forgot to pay us for the entertainment" she laughed so hard

Waiter guy came "sir, if you want a tea or coffee, it's on the house" DHV as fuck. I tipped the guy well. She paid for the food. On the way to the party I pinned her on a wall and made out passionately. Tried to work the logistics out while she's still horny but she really had to go home (yeah... right)

As soon as we hit the party all intimate stuff stop. I game all the other girls and she seems to be gaming some guys as usual. Danced a lot with each other and she was more intimate with me, but nothing serious.

Party end, I proposed that we leave together, she complied. Took her to the train station. More making out and goodbye.

2 possibilities:

-She may be a player just like me, which to be honest I don't really mind. As long as I fuck her I dont care. That way I get freedom to game other girls.

-Assuming everything she said is true (we're not that naive heh) I feel like I'm in a typical courtship situation. Both are trying to get to know each other while keeping options open. And French girls do love being chased. Granted it could have swung much in my favor if I fucked her well.

I need to keep pushing for the bang. She says she's "not comfortable" but I keep my light hearted frame. With proper logistics I hope this will happen soon.

Either way I think this is a milestone in my game. At this point the bang wouldn't really matter that much (pedagogically) because, for learning game purpose I've accomplished a ton: successfully gaming and leading a french girl on HER OWN FUCKING CITY. She said it herself I'm more Parisian than she is. This can only springboard to more white girls in the future.

I get the sense that you, Dalaran, are describing a scenario that many of us guys frequently encounter. We become interested in a girl, yet we feel several insecurities regarding whether the girl is interested in us and whether we can get a bang out of her, or whatever we are attempting to get from her. Then we pursue, and we attempt to employ gaming strategies, yet we continue to feel uncertain about the extent to which the girl is reciprocating or whether we are being effective or what is going to cause her to flip in our favor.

Surely, a lot of us guys enjoy the pursuit of a girl - even though it can become very stressful while we are in the midst of it, and we especially enjoy the pursuit if we believe that we have control over the direction and we are winning and we also like if the girl is giving us some resistance but she is moving in our direction.

This sounds like a situation in which the girl is moving in your direction, Dalaran, which is a good place to be... and hopefully NOT screw up... but I personally believe that you gotta keep pushing to increase the bonding and to keep pushing to escalate further. a little more each time that you see each other.. whether it is kissing or tits or finger in the vagina or tongue in the vagina or her lips around your penis.. each time a little more to push her a little further and to get a little more investment from her into you. If she is NOT going further each time, then it could be that something is NOT quite right with the relationship... and you may be losing the battle to win her over.

At some point, guys will feel a tipping point, like we have the situation in the bag... sometimes that feeling comes before we achieve a bang, and sometimes we don't feel that tipping point until we have achieved several bangs from a girl.

Recently, I had a very similar situation with a girl that I was pursuing. I was very insecure and trying to maintain frame with her, but every once in a while I was allowing communications to slip and the communications would come out somewhat needy and desperation from me. I knew that I was NOT playing the situation as well as I could, and I felt like i was over investing into one girl, but i still could NOT resist to let a few communications slip and to say more than I needed to say.

I understand that sometimes we can make up for these slips in communication, and sometimes girls will give us signals that we have mostly won her over or that she is hesitant about us.. and we have to figure how to respond to these various scenarios.

If we are getting the sense that the situation is in the bag, then we will find that the girl will begin to do a lot of things to please the guy and to make many of the efforts, and it may become too much because she is starting to make it too easy and to become too attached.

Recently, I was joking with a girl that I had already banged, and I texted her and said that she must be engaged in such activity in the nude. She denied it, and I said the usual fun line: "pics or it didn't happen." I did NOT expect any response from her, except possibly for her to assert that I was being too sexually perverted for her or something like that. Instead, I was surprised when she texted me naked pics. jajajaja... like unsolicited bonuses. My point is that when you got the situation in the bag, then the girl starts to come up with her own scenarios to escalate the relationship and to do quite a bit of the work of the relationship.. which has some of its own problems but at least once that has started to occur, a guy need not worry so much about the whole situation and/or whether or NOT some other guy is going to steal her away or whether she is going to bang him.

[Dalaran1991]

(11-21-2014 01:07 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 12:11 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Lol Slickkyboy, you should be a standup comedian.

Thanks people for your advice, I'm all for the abundance mentality mindset but I also know that getting quality girl is hard, sometimes you need to put the work in. Here's an update on this girl:

Went on another date with her today before the party. Everything was smooth. Actually one of the best dates in my life. We behave more like lovers. Passionate make out in public, walking hand in hand. etc. Took her to the coolest bar in town and she was impressed. She shares some pretty intimate life stories with me and was amazed at how I responded.

Venue change to a creperie where they make awesome French crepes. I go here all the time with my main girl the waiter, pretty cool guy recognize me. Again she loves the place. When he comes for my order he asked if I always want the caramel sauce as usual. Girl was impressed at social proof.

Food was good. Fun date. So much kissing and even some foreplay. Lol the old couple next to us said this as they were leaving "goodbye children, and thank you for the distraction" "you are welcome sir" then I told girl "they forgot to pay us for the entertainment" she laughed so hard

Waiter guy came "sir, if you want a tea or coffee, it's on the house" DHV as fuck. I tipped the guy well. She paid for the food. On the way to the party I pinned her on a wall and made out passionately. Tried to work the logistics out while she's still horny but she really had to go home (yeah... right)

As soon as we hit the party all intimate stuff stop. I game all the other girls and she seems to be gaming some guys as usual. Danced a lot with each other and she was more intimate with me, but nothing serious.

Party end, I proposed that we leave together, she complied. Took her to the train station. More making out and goodbye.

2 possibilities:

-She may be a player just like me, which to be honest I don't really mind. As long as I fuck her I dont care. That way I get freedom to game other girls.

-Assuming everything she said is true (we're not that naive heh) I feel like I'm in a typical courtship situation. Both are trying to get to know each other while keeping options open. And French girls do love being chased. Granted it could have swung much in my favor if I fucked her well.

I need to keep pushing for the bang. She says she's "not comfortable" but I keep my light hearted frame. With proper logistics I hope this will happen soon.

Either way I think this is a milestone in my game. At this point the bang wouldn't really matter that much (pedagogically) because, for learning game purpose I've accomplished a ton: successfully gaming and leading a french girl on HER OWN FUCKING CITY. She said it herself I'm more Parisian than she is. This can only springboard to more white girls in the future.

I get the sense that you, Dalaran, are describing a scenario that many of us guys frequently encounter. We become interested in a girl, yet we feel several insecurities regarding whether the girl is interested in us and whether we can get a bang out of her, or whatever we are attempting to get from her. Then we pursue, and we attempt to employ gaming strategies, yet we continue to feel uncertain about the extent to which the girl is reciprocating or whether we are being effective or what is going to cause her to flip in our favor.

Surely, a lot of us guys enjoy the pursuit of a girl - even though it can become very stressful while we are in the midst of it, and we especially enjoy the pursuit if we believe that we have control over the direction and we are winning and we also like if the girl is giving us some resistance but she is moving in our direction.

This sounds like a situation in which the girl is moving in your direction, Dalaran, which is a good place to be... and hopefully NOT screw up... but I personally believe that you gotta keep pushing to increase the bonding and to keep pushing to escalate further. a little more each time that you see each other.. whether it is kissing or tits or finger in the vagina or tongue in the vagina or her lips around your penis.. each time a little more to push her a little further and to get a little more investment from her into you. If she is NOT going further each time, then it could be that something is NOT quite right with the relationship... and you may be losing the battle to win her over.

At some point, guys will feel a tipping point, like we have the situation in the bag... sometimes that feeling comes before we achieve a bang, and sometimes we don't feel that tipping point until we have achieved several bangs from a girl.

Recently, I had a very similar situation with a girl that I was pursuing. I was very insecure and trying to maintain frame with her, but every once in a while I was allowing communications to slip and the communications would come out somewhat needy and desperation from me. I knew that I was NOT playing the situation as well as I could, and I felt like i was over investing into one girl, but i still could NOT resist to let a few communications slip and to say more than I needed to say.

I understand that sometimes we can make up for these slips in communication, and sometimes girls will give us signals that we have mostly won her over or that she is hesitant about us.. and we have to figure how to respond to these various scenarios.

If we are getting the sense that the situation is in the bag, then we will find that the girl will begin to do a lot of things to please the guy and to make many of the efforts, and it may become too much because she is starting to make it too easy and to become too attached.

Recently, I was joking with a girl that I had already banged, and I texted her and said that she must be engaged in such activity in the nude. She denied it, and I said the usual fun line: "pics or it didn't happen." I did NOT expect any response from her, except possibly for her to assert that I was being too sexually perverted for her or something like that. Instead, I was surprised when she texted me naked pics. jajajaja... like unsolicited bonuses. My point is that when you got the situation in the bag, then the girl starts to come up with her own scenarios to escalate the relationship and to do quite a bit of the work of the relationship.. which has some of its own problems but at least once that has started to occur, a guy need not worry so much about the whole situation and/or whether or NOT some other guy is going to steal her away or whether she is going to bang him.

[tallandblonde]

Where do you go to get these dick pills (viagara, cialis, etc)? Do you just go to the doctor and say that you can't get your dick hard? I'm in very good shape and doubt he will believe that.

As I've become more comfortable with game stage freight doesn't happen anymore, but I did have an instance last week where I had a lot to drink and was pounding away forever at this chick I met at a conference for work and just couldn't cum, she was a total lizard though so she gave me head for a while and eventually after some more power fucking I finally came. Would have appreciated some more blood flow in an instance like that.

[Dalaran1991]

JJG, your post just make me think, a lot. Over a few glass of wines.

I dont know guys, I just feel a bit of melancholy. I told you guys exactly what happened, and you agreed I did things right. She also seemed to enjoy it. Yet I feel like she could slip away at a moment's notice. And it's not even about the girl. I'm lining up a date with another tomorrow.

It seems like even with game, the best game you can have, you can only have but an illusion of control over the outcome of a relationship.

which when you think about it it's fucked up. I'm pretty sure the boyfriend she just broke up with was a complete loser. Some loser just needs to look the right way, show up at the right time and land a hot cute girl, while we have to labor so much and can never be sure of anything.

I have my fun with game and it gives me a lot of moments of glory like the last date, but in the end I always have to ask "what next" I simply couldnt just sit back and relax and have a loving faithful white girlfriend in my arms.

I guess that's the irony of game. When you do have a girlfriend like that (mine is, just not white ) you get bored with her and start looking left and right, and you get discontent.

I guess people like us will forever be in quest of happiness because we are not meant to seek happiness, we are meant for success, achievement and self-transcendence. All of that mean never be satisfied and complacent with our life and always looking for what could be better

while the majority of people jsut content with whatever life throw at them and carry on their blue pill existence

I guess there's a bit of envy in that. They never have to think and have to wonder what next, all the while blind to the truth around them. Truly ignorance is a bliss.

[AneroidOcean]

(11-21-2014 06:35 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

It seems like even with game, the best game you can have, you can only have but an illusion of control over the outcome of a relationship.

which when you think about it it's fucked up.

Fucked up by what guideline?

Do you think you should just have stuff handed to you?

Do you really think that much in your life is concrete and not fleeting?

That is what the world is. It doesn't make it unfair or evil, it just is.

Turn it around. Should every girl just land a good man automatically?

If you see the ridiculousness of your statement when turned around, you should look in the mirror harder.

[Onto]

Daralan, Those blue pill guys are not living in bliss. For the most part they are living the life SlickyBoy described so humorously above.

You make a very good point about control over outcomes. Though it's probably unsettling to see, it is an important insight. Not only do we have little control over others, we also have little control over the world, what happens in it, and what happens to us.

We must at least have control over ourselves, right? Hmm...do we?

We are raised to think we should find happiness, but let's think about that? Look at how amazing human beings are in regard to our bodies, our minds, our heart, the things we accomplish, how we've progressed, the questions we struggle with. Questions about care, justice, equality and all the rest. All the suffering and success the human race has endured and accomplished since the beginning.

Take all that and ask yourself, "did God do all this and make us so we can just go off and try to be happy?"

As far as being discontent with perfection, that's also a good insight. Epictetus said, "There's nothing more unbearable than an endless succession of sunny skies". Seems like on the one hand we desire the security that comes with a loving girlfriend, but we get bored and then yearn for adventure of discovering the unknown.

These are opposites. Security and adventure. If you ever read a dating profile, man's or women's you'll find their descriptions about who they are and what they are looking for littered with opposites that are impossible to be, to have and to hold. To do so would be akin to driving down the road and taking a left and right turn at the same moment. But it doesn't stop the human desire to have it all, or "the all".

Real freedom, real "happiness" comes when we see the opposite demands we put on ourselves, others and the world. The seeing of that is the freeing from it. As if you were in a prison forced to stand up with your wrists shackled and chained to the wall behind you. The key to escape is seeing the chains.

It's unsettling and disheartening at first, but it won't always be that way. The more you see it, the more you'll probably find yourself laughing in stitches over it and even looking at it with wonder.

All that said, there's nothing wrong with playing the game and having fun with it. Whether it's the single life or married life. The key is not to take either one too seriously as if it will be the answer to that question, "How can I be happy". You have already seen, with your current perfect gf, that it won't be. Good to see that now when your young instead of when your 40-50.

[JayJuanGee]

(11-21-2014 06:35 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

JJG, your post just make me think, a lot. Over a few glass of wines.

Maybe too many glasses...? hahahaha... Sometimes though we may need to ponder over these kinds of situations over and over before we come to our right minds, and sometimes further experiences will cause us to reassess and then change our previous conclusions.

(11-21-2014 06:35 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I dont know guys, I just feel a bit of melancholy. I told you guys exactly what happened, and you agreed I did things right. She also seemed to enjoy it. Yet I feel like she could slip away at a moment's notice. And it's not even about the girl. I'm lining up a date with another tomorrow.

Well, we know that some girls are more alluring than others, and surely it can help to continue to have dates or meetings or arrangements with other girls because sometimes those kinds of arrangement can improve our opportunities with our target girls... but then sometimes we could screw up our opportunities with our target girls if we play the other girls badly. Ultimately it's your discretion to decide whether having alternative dates is the best course of action.... for example, sometimes I will forgoing on a date with some mediocre girl because I feel that I need to regroup and to reconsider my strategy with the target girl.

Yes, I know that all of my comments here may sound like I am enabling and/or encouraging oneitis, but frequently we may all experience instances in which we feel that it is best to focus on employing strategies with the target girl. Sometimes, my strategy may just be to go to the gym and to work on myself while I think through what is going to be my next play (rather than spending time with a girl in a situation in which I have little to no interest).

(11-21-2014 06:35 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

It seems like even with game, the best game you can have, you can only have but an illusion of control over the outcome of a relationship.

I think that you are correct, but still you are painting the situation too broadly. Surely, we never really have control over the outcome of a relationship; however, in many instances we are going to have a pretty good idea about the direction of the relationship. Surely in the early stages of any relationship, we are going to have a lot more uncertainties when we are escalating and when we are pushing further and further in the relationship - because we really know for sure at what point a girl may bail or find another relationship and potentially leave us high and dry. In those cases, it will be good to have other relationships and/or NOT be overly invested in the success of that uncertain relationship.

(11-21-2014 06:35 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

which when you think about it it's fucked up. I'm pretty sure the boyfriend she just broke up with was a complete loser. Some loser just needs to look the right way, show up at the right time and land a hot cute girl, while we have to labor so much and can never be sure of anything.

I don't know if we can assume very much about the extent to which the previous guy was a loser or NOT or what factors swayed the girl in previous relationships. Probably, we just need to focus on our part and the information that we have and working on whether the girl is going to be a good fit for us and how much energy we want to expend towards attempting to achieve whatever results that we want to get from the girl. Certainly, we all know it is dangerous to get too caught up in one girl and the situations of one girl because then like my avatar we will be too much tempted to put the girl on a pedestal which is neither good for her or for our relationship with her. And, for some reason , we do have this tendency to get caught up with girls more and to put them on pedestals more when we perceive them as "hot."

(11-21-2014 06:35 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I have my fun with game and it gives me a lot of moments of glory like the last date, but in the end I always have to ask "what next" I simply couldnt just sit back and relax and have a loving faithful white girlfriend in my arms.

I cannot tell if you are rationalizing here or if you really believe what you are saying. Surely, we have to decide whether we are looking for a long term relationship or a one night stand or a girl to rotate in a sort of harem or maybe a 3 to 6 month relationship. Even when I am very attracted to some girls, I tend to get tired of a large number of girls after a few months; however, there may be times in which guys will find the girls to be more interesting and fulfilling etc.etc. and maybe a longer term relationship may be suitable.

(11-21-2014 06:35 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I guess that's the irony of game. When you do have a girlfriend like that (mine is, just not white ) you get bored with her and start looking left and right, and you get discontent.

That's also a danger in picking up girls in the dance scene and continuing to go out dancing because you will continue to meet girls that are going to seem more alluring than the girl you are banging and then you are going to need to decide whether you can juggle multiple or whether you need to give one of them up.

(11-21-2014 06:35 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I guess people like us will forever be in quest of happiness because we are not meant to seek happiness, we are meant for success, achievement and self-transcendence. All of that mean never be satisfied and complacent with our life and always looking for what could be better

I think that there can be quite a bit of variation. I have fallen into several several long term relationships, and there may have been circumstances in which those relationships could have been right for me at the time... but it did NOT happen for me.. and maybe some luck involved..... but I think that a lot of people, even guys who employ game, can get caught up (willingly or possibly less than willingly) into a long term relationship.... and maybe even reconsider his thoughts about game or how much value there is in employing it. I believe however that a large number of guys in this forum believe that even in long term relationships there can be a lot of value in continuing to employ various game tactics and strategies.

(11-21-2014 06:35 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

while the majority of people jsut content with whatever life throw at them and carry on their blue pill existence

I guess there's a bit of envy in that. They never have to think and have to wonder what next, all the while blind to the truth around them. Truly ignorance is a bliss.

I don't really buy into any descriptions that relationships are either red or blue or black or white.. .because I consider a lot of interactions as more nuanced. Surely, some kinds of strategies to allow the women to call all the shots and to be cow towing to the beck and call of a woman would NOT be an advisable strategy, but there may be a lot of areas in which guys may need to reconsider compromises in circumstances in which he is spending a lot of time and business interactions with one woman.