[Luckystar]

(04-12-2011 12:26 AM)deebow Wrote:  

(04-11-2011 11:17 PM)houston Wrote:  

(04-11-2011 10:05 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Yep, not everyone is attracted to fat women. If you like 6's and 7's that look like that, spend more time at the local McDonalds. Its part of their natural habitat. Each to their own I guess and whatever floats your boat, but its no wonder we see threads like this as a result

Fat women have standards now

This is a nice ass, and it looks like she prefers chicken salad to cheeseburgers.



With regards to asians, the Korean women have a lot of curves, although the thai and filipino women can be quite curvy too. Such a diverse place Asia.

Yeah, not everyone is into women with bodies of 12 yr old girls

I agree, this body is wack!!! I'd way rather run up in the first Asian girl. I'm not saying that those two Asian women are all that, but the girl with the itty bitty ass is so status quo. I'm not sure what is so spectacular about this ass. I see this everywhere. I can't see this ass stopping traffic or causing someone to look twice. Shit, be up in micky dee's for all I care. As long as you come with the goods, I don't care what your diet is. This woman has an adolescent's body in my opinion (no hips whatsoever and not even the slightest bit of thickness - basically just a normal ass that anyone could see in the supermarket).

I think if you see an adolescent's body, that's a 'you' problem. Fact is, this is the model type body that most men LOVE but don't see everywhere (in NA). Why do think so many guys on the forum complain about how fat NA girls are?

In a society plagued by an obesity epidemic, this is the type of body that SHOULD be celebrated. No wonder fat girls have attitudes these days. We are half to blame.

[Excelsior]

(04-11-2011 11:17 PM)houston Wrote:  

Yeah, not everyone is into women with bodies of 12 yr old girls

This is where you guys are messing up.

The vast majority of women (especially those outside of the black american population) who are of normal body weight do not have hips much bigger than what Hooligan Harry showed with that blonde model. That's the norm for women in adulthood.

To say they look like pre-teens is to exaggerate. You're taking the norm and turning it into an extreme.

(04-12-2011 12:26 AM)deebow Wrote:  

I can't see this ass stopping traffic or causing someone to look twice.

Not everyone is looking for a girl with a butt guaranteed to stop traffic. To be quite honest, that's the last thing on my own list. Whether or not my girl's rear end protrudes enough to cause others to stare is quite inconsequential. In fact, if it does, I'd call that a disadvantage.

For those to whom hip size and posterior depth are not primary, that girl will do just fine.

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Shit, be up in micky dee's for all I care. As long as you come with the goods, I don't care what your diet is.

I have to side with Luckystar here and cite this as a bit of a catch-22 on your part. None of us here are happy with the trend towards obesity in the American female population, yet we tacitly encourage it with statements like this.

On top of all of this, many of these women with the very large posteriors(think Maliah Michel or the girls in the first post of this thread) are quite prone to obesity post-pregnancy. Fat accumulates more readily in female hips than in others, and when you tacitly encourage women to encourage this accumulation(using "micky-dees", for example) and these women then have children, the end result is a larger population of fat women.

Come to think of it, this phenotypical preference for large hips at all costs might be a big reason why there is such a high incidence of obesity amongst black American females(51% vs. 29% for black males).

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This woman has an adolescent's body in my opinion (no hips whatsoever and not even the slightest bit of thickness - basically just a normal ass that anyone could see in the supermarket).

You are welcome to maintain your opinion, but you must know that it is not grounded in any fact and can't be substantiated. That body type is the norm for adulthood, so to attribute it primarily to adolescents is to misconstrue the demographics. She is a pretty normal adult Caucasian woman. Even amongst other races(including blacks outside of the US), this body type is not atypical.

[Tuthmosis]

(04-12-2011 05:06 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Not everyone is looking for a girl with a butt guaranteed to stop traffic. To be quite honest, that's the last thing on my own list.
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Fat accumulates more readily in female hips than in others, and when you tacitly encourage women to encourage this accumulation(using "micky-dees", for example) and these women then have children, the end result is a larger population of fat women.

I agree with Athlone on this. I'm trying to get with these chicks, not film a rap video. Ass is good, but these pictures often distort what looks good and what's borderline chubster.

There's a phenomenon I like to call "pre-fat." That's chicks that look good for a short period because the fat has temporarily settled in exactly the right areas, but will look fat with just an additional order of McNuggets or another year or two. When we encourage pre-fatness, we encourage its concomitant result--actual fat. Now look at our problem.

Slender and curvy, with a graceful, pretty face is a nice balance. It's amazing how more subtle femininity, versus the hip-hop-style "tah-dao," in-your-face ass will never get old. To me, the former is more feminine and attractive than a simple head-turner.

[Chad Daring]

Fellas, fellas, if we were all after the same girl we'd be tripping over each others dicks and those few would have a god complex that'd make Charlie Sheen look humble.

Celebrate the diversity in our likes and dislikes, keeps things interesting

Also, the two Asian girls are getting mad points just for being Asian. Put that body on a white girl with white features I wouldn't be nearly as excited.

[Screwston]

I just like watching the big ass bounce when I hit it from behind. I can understand not liking thick girls but to call these girls fat is out of line.

[Kaizen]

Different strokes for different folks as they say.

Id love to hit the asian girl or blondie. However my ideal ass is between the 2 in terms of size.

[deebow]

(04-12-2011 05:06 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(04-11-2011 11:17 PM)houston Wrote:  

Yeah, not everyone is into women with bodies of 12 yr old girls

This is where you guys are messing up.

The vast majority of women (especially those outside of the black american population) who are of normal body weight do not have hips much bigger than what Hooligan Harry showed with that blonde model. That's the norm for women in adulthood.

To say they look like pre-teens is to exaggerate. You're taking the norm and turning it into an extreme.

(04-12-2011 12:26 AM)deebow Wrote:  

I can't see this ass stopping traffic or causing someone to look twice.

Not everyone is looking for a girl with a butt guaranteed to stop traffic. To be quite honest, that's the last thing on my own list. Whether or not my girl's rear end protrudes enough to cause others to stare is quite inconsequential. In fact, if it does, I'd call that a disadvantage.

For those to whom hip size and posterior depth are not primary, that girl will do just fine.

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Shit, be up in micky dee's for all I care. As long as you come with the goods, I don't care what your diet is.

I have to side with Luckystar here and cite this as a bit of a catch-22 on your part. None of us here are happy with the trend towards obesity in the American female population, yet we tacitly encourage it with statements like this.

On top of all of this, many of these women with the very large posteriors(think Maliah Michel or the girls in the first post of this thread) are quite prone to obesity post-pregnancy. Fat accumulates more readily in female hips than in others, and when you tacitly encourage women to encourage this accumulation(using "micky-dees", for example) and these women then have children, the end result is a larger population of fat women.

Come to think of it, this phenotypical preference for large hips at all costs might be a big reason why there is such a high incidence of obesity amongst black American females(51% vs. 29% for black males).

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This woman has an adolescent's body in my opinion (no hips whatsoever and not even the slightest bit of thickness - basically just a normal ass that anyone could see in the supermarket).

You are welcome to maintain your opinion, but you must know that it is not grounded in any fact and can't be substantiated. That body type is the norm for adulthood, so to attribute it primarily to adolescents is to misconstrue the demographics. She is a pretty normal adult Caucasian woman. Even amongst other races(including blacks outside of the US), this body type is not atypical.

Man. All I did was just voice my opinion. We don't have to agree. I also wasn't aware that this was an obesity prevention clinic.

I'm also not sure by what you mean buy the following:

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Shit, be up in micky dee's for all I care. As long as you come with the goods, I don't care what your diet is.

"I have to side with Luckystar here and cite this as a bit of a catch-22 on your part. None of us here are happy with the trend towards obesity in the American female population, yet we tacitly encourage it with statements like this.

On top of all of this, many of these women with the very large posteriors(think Maliah Michel or the girls in the first post of this thread) are quite prone to obesity post-pregnancy. Fat accumulates more readily in female hips than in others, and when you tacitly encourage women to encourage this accumulation(using "micky-dees", for example) and these women then have children, the end result is a larger population of fat women.

Come to think of it, this phenotypical preference for large hips at all costs might be a big reason why there is such a high incidence of obesity amongst black American females(51% vs. 29% for black males)."

Come on!!! So I'm encouraging obesity now because I stated my opinion on the fact that I'm not necessarily interested in a woman's diet (in that I don't care if she doesn't eat healthy foods if I'm trying to hit it) and that I'm primarily focused on an attractive curvaceous body? That's ridiculous. I'd also like to see the evidence that a large posterior increases one's propensity to be obese before pregnancy (substantiate that with facts please). Also substantiate that that woman is normal in terms of shape and size - that isn't true either regardless of race. Most women are larger than that on average.

I think that most here like a fit woman as do I. I just have an appreciation for curves (more curves - specifically ass that the blonde in this picture does). I'm not saying that I wouldn't bone the blonde, but I'd prefer more curves. Some on this thread are ass men and others prefer titties. I'm an ass man. Also how am I encouraging women to accumulate fat around the hips? I didn't say that I like disproportionately huge assed women regardless of what the rest of the body/face looks like. Don't put me into a bag of people that like large hips at all costs. It's kind of fucked up to do so. We just have different preferences.

Also, some may consider it to be racially insensitive to say that a preference is phenotypical (very fucked up to think so and quite insulting to be honest) and that it encourages black women to become obese (I don't know why you brought black women into this). I'm so sure that black women are eating bad foods so that they can get fat around the hips to attract a bunch of men that are genetically disposed (how stereotypical and slanderous) to like large hips and don't care about anything else. That's ridiculous. You need to relax. I'd appreciate if you didn't put me in a box with 51% vs 29% of black males because I felt that the girl could have some more curves and meat on her bones for my taste.

I don't think that any one needs an obesity lesson here. Those asian girls aren't obese. I just hope that we can stop with all of the references to Black American subculture the minute someone expresses a preference for an ass that has more meat on it than a Vouge model type. I thought that we could get past this. Since you can't substantiate any of your claims here (I'm really curious to know where your claims are stemming from), Let's just respect each other here and not say that because we have different preferences, some are genetically fucked up, and contribute to the obesity epidemic in this country especially in black women. Kind of extreme.

[Kaizen]

I'm with you deebow.

and just so we are speaking on same terms, obesity is defined as a Body Mass Index >30. Overweight is greater than 25.

BMI = Weight (in lbs) X 703 / Height (inches) squared. OR weight (kg) / height (metres) squared

you have to be pretty big to be officially obese

[Luckystar]

(04-12-2011 08:37 PM)deebow Wrote:  

I don't think that any one needs an obesity lesson here. Those asian girls aren't obese.

It's an embarrassing that we celebrate 'junk in the trunk'. I have always had an unwavering rejection to this concept.

The early 2000s era of celebrating the J-Lo ass and Beyonce booty set a terrible precedence. Fat asses all across NA became proud of their bodies instead getting on the treadmill. The benchmark for what is acceptable for NA women has fallen so fuckin low in my opinion. We're at fault for that.

I get it though. You how some of those lifers go to a federal pen, start looking at each other over time and then started droppin the soap in the shower. That's what happened to the NA male. Rejected, starved for sex and surrounded by fatties, until those fat asses actually became appealing to him (ya, those asian girls are curvy not fat, I might have me some of that flabby ass, I like the way it jiggles, it turns me on). Sad state of affairs.

REJECT FUCKIN FAT ASSED WOMEN, GUYS. Have some fuckin standards, and we'll all benefit. I would reject those asian lard asses so fast and tell them to hit the treadmill or get some lipo.

The end of the world is surely coming, when we reject that perfect blonde ass because she looks 'adolescent'. The average NA male is getting worked like never before.

[deebow]

Luckystar,

You need to chill. Damn, you get heated quick. I'm not sure why you feel the need to lash out like that. All I'm advocating is that I like a woman with curvaceous thighs and buttocks and a waist on the smaller side. I don't like obese women or women with big asses. It has to be proportionate and it has to look good to me. On the other hand, you can't be a stick. That's just too skinny for me. Trust me, I've said it several times that there is a point where an ass is simply beyond curvaceous and it is disgusting. That is not what I'm advocating. I'm talking more of a old school Rosie Perez, j lo, Vida Guerra, Melyssa Ford type of woman. I mean give people some slack, just because they don't like the blonde girl in the picture's curves, it doesn't mean that we prefer a whale. By the way, ass is actually celebrated in the America's (central and especially south america). Some of the most historically desired women on the planet (colombian, brazilian, etc.) are known for having curves and lovely asses. Are they all fucked up? I don't think so. Being on this forum, I think that we'd be open minded enough to respect not only other cultures but other preferences.

I'll never give way to an overweight and or severely disproportionate woman. Not my style. But ask how many men in the US wouldn't bone Beyonce or J lo? I see nothing wrong with that. If you like the Kate Moss type, stick to that. I respect your preference. But we don't need our heads examine because Beyonce, J lo or Kim Kardashian's bodies are attractive to us. We would need them examined if Roseanne Barr's body was attractive to us. I've also said many a time or so that if some women just got on the treadmill or hit the gym, and got some shape to go with that face, they would be beautiful and beating the men off with a stick. It seems that you think we're advocating extreme weight gain to no end and the heavier (or larger ass) the better. That couldn't be further from the truth. I don't advocate that big is beautiful. I advocate that curvaceous yet proportionate and fit is beautiful. Look at a brazilian SEXY magazine and tell me most men wouldn't bone those girls.

http://sexyclube.ig.com.br/portal/mulher...plate.aspx

So for the record, WE HAVE FUCKIN STANDARDS, THEY JUST AREN'T YOUR STANDARDS. I doesn't make us wrong or you right.

[Excelsior]

(04-12-2011 08:37 PM)deebow Wrote:  

Man. All I did was just voice my opinion. We don't have to agree.

Its a discussion forum, bro. We can all voice our opinions even if we disagree.

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Come on!!! So I'm encouraging obesity now because I stated my opinion on the fact that I'm not necessarily interested in a woman's diet (in that I don't care if she doesn't eat healthy foods if I'm trying to hit it) and that I'm primarily focused on an attractive curvaceous body? That's ridiculous.

Incentives drive behavior.

Let's say we have a scenario where there is a stated preference for "thickness"(read: large, wide thighs). That means there is incentive for women to aspire to these traits.

In women, fat goes straight to the posterior. Naturally, since the stated preference is for a larger posterior, women are looking to get a bigger butt. Easiest way to do that is to eat extra and put on 10-20 pounds of weight since, as I mentioned before, female fat goes right to their hips. That is how many "donks" are created.

Thus, in such a society we can already see the trend leading towards increased obesity. Women are putting on extra fat through consumption because larger butts are preferred and that's the quickest way to get them. They thus have every incentive to gain extra weight and little in the way of discouragement-the men don't care about their diet and their extra fat as they're "just trying to hit it".

From here, natural rules of hypergamy apply. The women are seeing that they can get male attention(after all, these guys are "just trying to hit it") despite their extra fat due to men seeking large posteriors over most other factors. Thus, they have less incentive to lose weight and more reason to overinflate their own value(read: "Fat Chicks Have Standards Now"). Obesity becomes more and more common, as the mean weight of the female population moves further up.

As more and more women eat extra to try and meet the standard of beauty("bigger posterior is better"), they get bigger, and the fat sticks on them even as they age out of their prime. It is harder to lose at that point. When you have a large number of young women padding on extra pounds, you logically end up with a larger number of obese females in the populous as a whole, as a greater proportion of those women are going to age into obesity(due to slowing metabolism) than otherwise would if more of the girls weren't aspiring to that "big butt" standard.

If you deny the veracity of my claim that many girls are seeking to gain bigger posteriors, you can quickly look up the growing prevalence of the more expensive solutions to this problem: padding and implants. Many women who can't afford those are just eating.

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I'd also like to see the evidence that a large posterior increases one's propensity to be obese before pregnancy (substantiate that with facts please).

In females, estrogen causes fat to settle in the hips. Women who are eating more to gain larger posteriors(that's the easiest and most common way to do it) are putting on extra fat in doing so. This will raise the mean for the female population's weight and cause more instances of obesity.

In other words, there is a naturally strong correlation between large posterior size and eventual obesity, due to the fact that the accumulation of extra body fat is such a large factor in creating such a rear end in the first place. Correlation is not always causation, but the link here is quite obvious.

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Also substantiate that that woman is normal in terms of shape and size - that isn't true either regardless of race. Most women are larger than that on average.

I was speaking with regards not specifically to weight(I dunno how much that girl weighs) but to the general traits you cited in order to justify your essentially calling her "adolescent":

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This woman has an adolescent's body in my opinion (no hips whatsoever and not even the slightest bit of thickness - basically just a normal ass that anyone could see in the supermarket).

Most white and asian women fit this bill-their hips are not pronounced and they're not thick at all. In this sense, this girl is quite typical of your standard white/asian woman who is not overweight.

In fact, your last sentence here declaring the utter ubiquity of her posterior type...

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basically just a normal ass that anyone could see in the supermarket

...could be seen as corroboration of my claim. If you see it regularly while shopping then chances are it is fairly typical amongst your population.

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I think that most here like a fit woman as do I. I just have an appreciation for curves (more curves - specifically ass that the blonde in this picture does).

Yes, though what defines "fit" for many of us varies.

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Also how am I encouraging women to accumulate fat around the hips? I didn't say that I like disproportionately huge assed women regardless of what the rest of the body/face looks like. Don't put me into a bag of people that like large hips at all costs. It's kind of fucked up to do so. We just have different preferences.

Perhaps you aren't in that group, but my statements do still apply quite generally.

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Also, some may consider it to be racially insensitive to say that a preference is phenotypical (very fucked up to think so and quite insulting to be honest)

Firstly, do you know what "phenotypical" means? A "phenotypical" trait is an "observable" trait, a visible characteristic that can be seen. There isn't anything racially insensitive about the term.

Secondly, I don't care about being PC.

*(I am black, for the record)

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and that it encourages black women to become obese (I don't know why you brought black women into this).

We're talking about large posteriors and preferences for them. It is a preference that quite often tends to fall along racial lines in actuality, with the black american community showing the most favorable attitudes by far in comparison to other ethnic groups.

I can try to ignore the elephant in the room, but that really isn't my style.

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I'm so sure that black women are eating bad foods so that they can get fat around the hips

Likely true.

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to attract a bunch of men that are genetically disposed (how stereotypical and slanderous) to like large hips and don't care about anything else.

Ah, a classic red herring.

Find an instance in which I stated a genetic predisposition amongst black men(that is, all males of sub-saharan african descent, and not just the black americans whom I've largely focused the context of this discussion on) for these "large hips at all costs" and I'll accept the point. In fact, I'd like to see where in my post it was that I mentioned genetics at all.

Until you locate this information, don't put words in my mouth.

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Let's just respect each other here and not say that because we have different preferences, some are genetically fucked up, and contribute to the obesity epidemic in this country especially in black women. Kind of extreme.

That is kind of extreme...

...it is also not at all what I said. Nice strawman, though.

[deebow]

I think that you are missing the entire point. My preference isn't driving women to over eat. You have made a massive set of assumptions in your answers. If I like a more curvaceous ass (I didn't say larger ass - I guess I could repeat your sentence about a strawman and putting works in ones mouth). Women can build a larger and more shapely ass and don't have to over eat to do it. I don't care that eating is the fastest way to a bigger ass. It's also the fastest way to a bigger stomach, and you aren't the only one who is aware of that. Many women want a nicer ass without the stomach and love handles. Working out in the gym could and at times does lead to building larger more shapely gluteus muscles. You are making the assumption that thicker more curvaceous ass is directly correlated to overeating or that most women over eat to get large asses. This is not true in most cases (prove that to me).

I guess you figured if you wrote enough, it would give the impression that you had little bias and were somewhat objective. You assume that I'm defending a large ass rather than a more shapely curvaceous and even more full backside. You also assume that women will do anything to get it and will risk a large stomach and just being plain fat in order to do it (I don't think that this is true of most women). Also, you gave no evidence that a larger posterior leads to obesity before pregnancy. You just said that if one were to intentionally eat to increase the size of their ass it would increase obesity (so obvious). That should be your claim. Not that large posteriors (it could be muscle or genetic) increase the propensity for obesity. You in no way showed that a correlation exists. All you did was say that it does. You should do that before you think of discussing causation.

Also you called the preference itself "phenotypical" (a phenotype can manifest itself as a genetic trait - smart guy), which is why I said that a phenotypical preference could be interpreted as a genetically derived preference. The only way I see my assumption as incorrect is if you were talking about the big ass as a the phenotype here. It can be seen as you may have implied that most afro american men have a clear (observable) preference for fat asses. I don't think that this is true (wether that was your intention to imply or not). I also don't care that you're black. So am I. I don't know why you felt the need to mention that.

Regarding your comments about the black community, one could get the assumption that you were speaking about the majority of black men. I don't believe that the majority of them like obese very large asses. I believe that this implication is wrong (intentional or unintentional). Lastly, I could make assumptions and load my responses with them just like you did. For example I could say that you are encouraging bulimic behavior which ultimately leads to an unhealthy lifestyle. I could also give you some bullshit like, because you prefer women who have a particular BMI, incentive drives behavior for them to become bulimic, because that is the fastest way to loose weight after all. I then go on to say that because bulimic behavior was incentivized by your preference for a thinner woman with a smaller hip and glute areas, these women are more likely to have pancreatic and extreme dental problems as those are some of the long term effects of bulimia that stemmed from your preference. That would be a bunch of bullshit, but of course I'd load it with assumptions such as, most women that want to be skinnier are bulimic.

Antoine, all respect to you, I have nothing against you. In my opinion, you had a heavy set of assumptions here. Let's just stop putting everything it a statistical, empirical based type of box. Some have preference for more curves and meat (I mean muscle) and yes maybe a bit of extra cushion and others like it toned way down. I don't cause obesity and you don't cause bulimia. We just like what we like and that's it.

[Luckystar]

(04-12-2011 09:58 PM)deebow Wrote:  

I'm talking more of a old school Rosie Perez, j lo, Vida Guerra, Melyssa Ford type of woman. I mean give people some slack, just because they don't like the blonde girl in the picture's curves, it doesn't mean that we prefer a whale. By the way, ass is actually celebrated in the America's (central and especially south america). Some of the most historically desired women on the planet (colombian, brazilian, etc.) are known for having curves and lovely asses. Are they all fucked up?

Ya, they are fucked up.

Remember if you give an inch, people take a mile. So, if you make it cool to have junk in the trunk, then in general, girls are willing to let more junk slide on to their bodies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...-2022.html

But ask how many men in the US wouldn't bone Beyonce or J lo? I see nothing wrong with that. If you like the Kate Moss type, stick to that. I respect your preference. But we don't need our heads examine because Beyonce, J lo or Kim Kardashian's bodies are attractive to us. We would need them examined if Roseanne Barr's body was attractive to us.

Kim Kardashian is just one step towards Rosanne Barr my friend. Just the other day I heard bunch of girls rave about how great it was that KK popularized Spanx to keep all their fat compressed. This is what happens when we lower our benchmarks.

Let's not kid ourselves here, junk in the trunk is still JUNK.

[Luckystar]

Deebow, I'm not directing this to you personally. I just don't respect how us guys have lowered our benchmarks. For all the entitlement NA women have, we need to ask demand more from them, not less.

[Excelsior]

(04-12-2011 11:09 PM)deebow Wrote:  

I think that you are missing the entire point. My preference isn't driving women to over eat.

I don't know about you specifically, but I do know about the general trends in society(outlined in my previous posts) that helps to facilitate a growing trend towards obesity.

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Women can build a larger and more shapely ass and don't have to over eat to do it.

It is possible, but less common in practice. 10-15 pounds of fat usually do the trick.
Most women aren't into the type of strength training it takes to build that type of thigh muscle. When you see it in reality, that's probably not where it came from. She is either a rare genetic specimen, a padder or a girl who eats a little extra. Female physiology favors the last option.

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I don't care that eating is the fastest way to a bigger ass. It's also the fastest way to a bigger stomach

Not if you're a woman.

One more time: Estrogen causes fat to travel rapidly to the hips and posterior in women.

Fat hits male stomachs first. In women, it goes to their thighs first. For MEN, consuming more fat is the fastest way to a bigger stomach. For WOMEN, it is the fastest way to bigger thighs. The stomach will come if they eat enough, but the thighs will get it earliest and hardest(as well as most persistently). There is a big difference.

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Working out in the gym could and at times does lead to building larger more shapely gluteus muscles.

I don't recall stating otherwise.

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You are making the assumption that thicker more curvaceous ass is directly correlated to overeating or that most women over eat to get large asses. This is not true in most cases (prove that to me).

1. Once again, the difference in female physiology must be noted. Fat travels to the thighs more regularly in women due to estrogen.
A woman who consumes excess fat is going to see that fat travel to her thighs first because that is the nature of female physiology.
Therefore yes, there is indeed a correlation between overeating and the thickness of a woman's thighs by virtue of nature. The first sign of overeating in a woman will likely show in her hips, because that is where the bulk of her extra fat will go first.

A simple google search entitled "women fat thighs" or "women fat hips" will reveal an abundance of substantiation for this. The correlation here is not that difficult to find.
I can't believe I'm still arguing over such a basic point.

2. As a woman, you have three options when it comes to developing a larger rear end.
a. Pads/Injections
b. Strength training
c. Eat a little more and let your physiology take care of it(read: female fat goes to the thighs).

Take a wild guess as to which is the most simple, affordable, and time-efficient route and you have your answer. If you are genetically blessed(J-Lo, Beyonce, Rosa Acosta) and you also have the money to pay top trainers, beuaticians and buy the best training and cosmetic equipment money can buy, this won't be an issue.

If you're a normal chick, your options are less varied. You probably can't afford quality injections. Women don't build muscle like men, so the strength training route will take an inordinate amount of energy for you(high time investment).
Your physiology lends itself to option 3, and fatty food is not that expensive.

The logical path here is pretty clear.

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I guess you figured if you wrote enough, it would give the impression that you had little bias and were somewhat objective.

Argumentum ad hominem.

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You also assume that women will do anything to get it and will risk a large stomach and just being plain fat in order to do it (I don't think that this is true of most women).

And here we go...

A young woman is at less risk of gaining that stomach than a man with a similarly fatty diet is because, as I have noted repeatedly in this thread, fat settles in different parts of the body for women. Their fat hits their thighs FIRST.

If you cannot grasp this rather basic physiological fact, then there is no point in talking.

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Also, you gave no evidence that a larger posterior leads to obesity before pregnancy. You in no way showed that a correlation exists. All you did was say that it does.

And again...

Female fat travels to the thighs. A larger posterior in a woman is often one of the first signs of current or impending obesity-that is the first place that the extra fat will go before showing up elsewhere.

An obese male shows it more in his stomach and midsection. An obese woman will show it in her thighs. There is a correlation due to physiology.

It would not be correct to say that a larger posterior leads to obesity-rather, it often serves as a SIGN of obesity, one of the earliest ones in a woman.

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Also you called the preference itself "phenotypical" (a phenotype can manifest itself as a genetic trait - smart guy), which is why I said that a phenotypical preference could be interpreted as a genetically derived preference.

And we have more semantics. Lovely.

It was termed a "phenotypical preference" in reference to its status as a preference for a certain phenotype, a phenotype being an observable trait.

Once again, in summary: a phenotypical preference is intended to refer to a preference for an observable trait.

You can interpret it anyway you'd like-I am using the words according to their definition, and seek to establish no genetic connotation.

Any notion to the contrary is of your own making, and I do not intend to entertain it.

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I also don't care that you're black. So am I. I don't know why you felt the need to mention that.

It was "for the record", not "for your pleasure". There is a difference.

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Regarding your comments about the black community, one could get the assumption that you were speaking about the majority of black men. I don't believe that the majority of them like obese very large asses. I believe that this implication is wrong (intentional or unintentional).

Black American men tend to put an inordinate amount of emphasis on the size of the female posterior, which has manifested itself in the frequent celebration of very large posteriors that don't embody the firmer, more curvaceous tone you've cited with girls like J-Lo(ex: Maliah Michel, Lastarya, Buffy the Body, etc).

Watch the media. Look at the magazines and the models in them. Go to college and watch who they tend to approach and prefer on average. I assume you've done this to some extent already, so you've probably already seen it. The majority of black american men favor thickness as a primary factor-this trend is blatantly obvious, which is why women who really don't have the type of firm "curvaceous defnition" you're citing and are clearly overweight get the attention they do.

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Lastly, I could make assumptions and load my responses with them just like you did.
For example I could say that you are encouraging bulimic behavior which ultimately leads to an unhealthy lifestyle. I could also give you some bullshit like, because you prefer women who have a particular BMI, incentive drives behavior for them to become bulimic, because that is the fastest way to loose weight after all. I then go on to say that because bulimic behavior was incentivized by your preference for a thinner woman with a smaller hip and glute areas, these women are more likely to have pancreatic and extreme dental problems as those are some of the long term effects of bulimia that stemmed from your preference. That would be a bunch of bullshit, but of course I'd load it with assumptions such as, most women that want to be skinnier are bulimic.

False dichotimies, strawmen, etc...I don't even have time to outline all that is wrong with this analogy. To try and keep it simple:

1. I'm coming from the position that represents the norm. The type of body-type I claim to encourage is among the most common. The vast majority of women do not have especially wide hips or great posterior depth and, by your own admission, the blonde model posted earlier is typical enough to "see in the supermarket".
Your analogy would work if I were citing women with below average bmi's and/or visible emaciation, but such is not the case. It makes little sense to imply that someone who is promoting the physical norm is incentivizing an extreme disorder.

2. I have substantiation rooted in female physiology. You wouldn't have such a case against me in your analogy.

I'll leave it at that.

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Antoine, all respect to you, I have nothing against you.

Then get my name right.

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Let's just stop putting everything it a statistical, empirical based type of box.

...or let's not? I don't see any reason to do so.

[vinman]

At times like these a friend of mine would say "we can sit down and discuss it over a case of beer, and at the end of the day the case of beer will be gone, and we will go our separate ways agreeing to disagree".

[deebow]

That's okay vinman. I'm now of the impression that he's trying to look right rather than understand another perspective.

[deebow]

(04-13-2011 01:12 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  

Deebow, I'm not directing this to you personally. I just don't respect how us guys have lowered our benchmarks. For all the entitlement NA women have, we need to ask demand more from them, not less.

I see where you are coming from. I didn't see it from that angle.

[Gringo]

I like both the blonde girl and the Asians. Variety is the spice of life, some girls look great with a petite ass others suit a big, thicker one. I won't limit myself to one single type of women. I won't fuck fat girls either.

[Excelsior]

(04-13-2011 07:13 AM)deebow Wrote:  

That's okay vinman. I'm now of the impression that he's trying to look right rather than understand another perspective.

I'll take that as a concession.

If the empirical, statistical and physiological evidence didn't entirely contradict you(and if your challenges against said evidences were not so weak), I'd attempt to "understand another perspective". This is not currently the case, and thus I have no incentive to do so.

Reliance on empirical/statistical/physiological evidence does not equate to "trying to look right". It equates to following a logical conclusion.

[BlackWolf]

Can we get back to the Asian topic and not about that underage looking white girl for once? Jezz

Asian people come in all sizes, shapes, and shades. Filipinas tend to have more curves and rounder butts than the other East Asian and Southeast Asian ethnic groups.

[MiXX]

Fuck - those be some booties allright!! PLease, do tell....where can they be found?

The one in the black (far upper right) is my style.

Mixx

[ManAbout]

The girl in the black booty shorts. That's more like it.

[Gringo]

The first pic, her ass can;t be real....surely!! Loving the other ones.

[deebow]

(04-13-2011 08:47 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(04-13-2011 07:13 AM)deebow Wrote:  

That's okay vinman. I'm now of the impression that he's trying to look right rather than understand another perspective.

I'll take that as a concession.

If the empirical, statistical and physiological evidence didn't entirely contradict you(and if your challenges against said evidences were not so weak), I'd attempt to "understand another perspective". This is not currently the case, and thus I have no incentive to do so.

Reliance on empirical/statistical/physiological evidence does not equate to "trying to look right". It equates to following a logical conclusion.

You win, take it as a concession - But only because you're starting to sound like a really thick math textbook or a really long-winded robot and it's a bit concerning. I clearly can't handle your intellect (I know that your checking this for spelling errors). With that said, bring on the booties (within reason of course).