[MattW]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monk...-election/

The most interesting parts:

Quote:

More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

Quote:

Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.

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We also find that one of the favorite policies advocated by conservatives to prevent voter fraud appears strikingly ineffective. Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted.

You may be thinking, "Why is the Washington Post publishing an article like this?" Well they aren't, it's just one of their blogs. I have a feeling you won't find much commentary about this outside of blogs.

[kbell]

And they complained about Al Gore losing to voter fraud. This is a whole different level of wrong, but won't get a bit of coverage in the media.

[komatiite]

How the fudge can you vote if you are not a citizen?
Is it still racist to ask for Photo ID at the voting stations? I remember Chris Matthews was flipping out about the racially intensive Poll Station Volunteers asking for ID during the lead up to Mitt vs Obama 2012.

[Troll King]

Can someone shed some light on the whole ID thing for me? I have always had to show an ID to vote. I think my parents have had to also. This whole ID voter thing has been really weird and confusing to me over the last handful of years. In my state, you have always had to show an ID or give an address or bring something with you, like a tax return or something, to show that you are a state resident to be able to vote.

It really seems to me that the more I interrogate liberal ideas, the more I come to the conclusion that liberals are not just fascists but they lie about every damn thing.....which kinda sucks cause I am a registered democrat.

[Sonsowey]

I have voted without ID every time in NY.

[Cattle Rustler]

What's up with this fear mongering shit?

I've voted without my ID and don't live in a fascist state where I need to carry my ID at all times, save that for Best Korea.

The number of incidents of voting fraud is very very low, if anything needs to be focused on it should be "political contributions".

Also, Canucks should stick to their politics.

[komatiite]

(10-25-2014 10:51 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Also, Canucks should stick to their politics.

Now now Mr Rustler, I have been working in the Land of the Free the last few months after I finished up a project in Canada. Personally, I think that I am ready to be the first undocumented Canadian to cast an American ballot!

[aSimpNamedBrokeback]

If you read between the lines in the article, and there are many. Its sounds like all these non-citizen voters have valid IDs, that was probably how they registered to vote.

[Deluge]

(10-26-2014 07:35 AM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

If you read between the lines in the article, and there are many. Its sounds like all these non-citizen voters have valid IDs, that was probably how they registered to vote.

Even with ID is it actually possible to do that? Don't they ask for proof of citizenship before they put someone's name on the voter roll in America?

[MidWest]

(10-26-2014 07:54 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 07:35 AM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

If you read between the lines in the article, and there are many. Its sounds like all these non-citizen voters have valid IDs, that was probably how they registered to vote.

Even with ID is it actually possible to do that? Don't they ask for proof of citizenship before they put someone's name on the voter roll in America?

You need a driver's license or some type of identification. Non-citizens cannot get U.S. state ID's but have ID's from their respected countries. That's how you proof if you're a citizen or not.

Even Mexican immigrants who are not yet citizens have a Mexico ID card which will be invalid at any DMV or voting registration sites.

[Alpha]

I got in to a discussion about Voter ID a few weeks ago, and the guy said, "PEOPLE ON FOOD STAMPS GET AFFORD TO GET AN ID!"

To which I replied, (in my state, NC), "You need an ID to get food stamps. And the North Carolina government now has to issue you a free ID as long as you can prove citizenship."

Voter ID is a good thing. It isn't racist, it isn't fascist.

[aSimpNamedBrokeback]

Just looked at the first states that came up on google. FL and DC (not a state I know). Its fairly easy for a non citizen to get a Drivers license. I can also remember being at the DMV listening to the lady behind the counter explain to an Indian man what he needed to bring back to get his license.

http://www.dmvflorida.org/drivers-license-nc.shtml

http://dmv.dc.gov/service/driver-license...s-citizens

[Deluge]

(10-26-2014 08:32 AM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  

Just looked at the first states that came up on google. FL and DC (not a state I know). Its fairly easy for a non citizen to get a Drivers license. I can also remember being at the DMV listening to the lady behind the counter explain to an Indian man what he needed to bring back to get his license.

http://www.dmvflorida.org/drivers-license-nc.shtml

http://dmv.dc.gov/service/driver-license...s-citizens

I'm not asking if non-citizens can get a drivers licence (I'd be surprised if they couldn't in America), but if they actually check if you're a citizen when you to register to vote with the electoral authorities. For example in Australia you don't need to be a citizen to have a drivers licence at all, but if you register to vote and give your drivers licence as your proof of citizenship the electoral commission runs your licence number to check if you're a citizen or not. You can't just rock up to a polling booth with a drivers licence, your name has to be on the voter roll and it wouldn't get put their unless your a citizen.

[aSimpNamedBrokeback]

I don't know, you'd think an article about non citizens illegaly voting would address how they actually registered to vote. I'll bet its just lazyness. They have a license and own property then they are assumed to be citizens. When you search google all you get is the click bait fear mongering articles, which tells me it isn't a big deal.