I am having a lot of trouble dealing with my blue pill family. I have two sisters, mom and a dad. We are pretty close, but the constant blue pill comments and actions from my sisters has become unbearable. I just had to tell my two sisters to STFU and what I do is NUNYA business. I hate to do this, but I see no other way. I dont have any time in my life to debate my beliefs with non believers. I also will not go around explaining my actions to anyone. I just have had that moment when you realize that all you have thought about your family has been a sham. Has anyone ever gone through this after swallowing the red pill?
Blue Pill Family
Little bit. Agree and amplify, with a smirk. I'm focussing on self-improvement, who cares what the blue pillers think or do.
I owe my red pill path mostly to my feminist mother and sister. We argued quite a bit growing up and even after we had all gone our separate ways after moving out as soon as I legally could. If you are right (and in this you are) and a strong debater, they will tire of having their beliefs challenged by logic they cannot refute with emotional outbursts and avoid these topics around you.
I get along with them fine these days, probably better than most families do really. They don't talk about wage gaps and gun control with me and I don't talk about most of the women I'm banging and my disdain for their white picket fences with them. My father seems to have stepped up his domestic game over the years - I'd like to think that my "take no shit" attitude I've had with the women they've met since I discovered game helped with that. He even bought a shotgun.
Don't be a pushover, but keep them around if you can, you only get one family. There are far worse things they could be than painfully average.
I get along with them fine these days, probably better than most families do really. They don't talk about wage gaps and gun control with me and I don't talk about most of the women I'm banging and my disdain for their white picket fences with them. My father seems to have stepped up his domestic game over the years - I'd like to think that my "take no shit" attitude I've had with the women they've met since I discovered game helped with that. He even bought a shotgun.
Don't be a pushover, but keep them around if you can, you only get one family. There are far worse things they could be than painfully average.
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Remember, you can practice a lot of game on your family even though it's annoying that you should have to do so. Amused mastery, agree and amplify, compliance hoops, frame and reframing, mirroring, etc. They may eventually accept your reality and frame if you do it right. it's good experience.
In our family, my mom is only the feminine. Im kinda upset sometimes because my mom cant cry with us lol.
Quote: (10-24-2014 11:12 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:
I owe my red pill path mostly to my feminist mother and sister. We argued quite a bit growing up and even after we had all gone our separate ways after moving out as soon as I legally could. If you are right (and in this you are) and a strong debater, they will tire of having their beliefs challenged by logic they cannot refute with emotional outbursts and avoid these topics around you.
I get along with them fine these days, probably better than most families do really. They don't talk about wage gaps and gun control with me and I don't talk about most of the women I'm banging and my disdain for their white picket fences with them. My father seems to have stepped up his domestic game over the years - I'd like to think that my "take no shit" attitude I've had with the women they've met since I discovered game helped with that. He even bought a shotgun.
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Excellent way to do it - demonstrating your reality is the best option. I personally have talked about some of the evils of feminism with my extended family. Since they have seen many of my "strange theories" proven effective and real, they more readily accept even the Red Pill. Of course some of the women in the family won't like the Red Pill, but they certainly see the truth of my "relationship" advice - making a bit fun of this Alpha - Beta - paradigm. "So - is this actor Alpha or Beta in this TV series?" Haha - and then I tell them the LTR dynamics which is fascinating to them.
But all of this takes time - you are likely a young guy and frankly there is no need to debate much Red Pill with your family. Become the best you are in all aspects of life and read up on some Game Theory 101 at RationalMale and you can debate most things logically. The rest will be proven by your own life demonstrations.
Quote: (10-25-2014 12:00 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:
Remember, you can practice a lot of game on your family even though it's annoying that you should have to do so. Amused mastery, agree and amplify, compliance hoops, frame and reframing, mirroring, etc. They may eventually accept your reality and frame if you do it right. it's good experience.
I actually do this and wonder whether I am a horrible son/brother or not. But they havent kicked me out of their lives and dont seem to have any intention to do so.
Gotta bump this thread for the huge relevance not only in how it affect my life personally, but also because I think gaming your family is a very important skill for anyone to have. Specially interested in experiences from guys like Carlos and Zagan(they're probably not around anymore, but maybe others) who successfully gamed their blue pill family
My family, just for the beggining, has given me passive-aggressive shit for my interest in lifting numerous times and basically ignores most of what is talked about in this forum about looks and presentation to the point of neglecting crooked teeth and shit like that
A big part of the Red Pill is selling yourself the best you can in your interactions with the world. It's so truthful and undeniable, yet they just selectively ignore it no matter how many times the harsh truth hits them in the face
The way I see it modern blue pill families don't raise their sons to be confident, strong and bold but would rather focus on turning them into obedient work-focused cattle for society's needs
That way they either don't acknowledge young men biggest desires(hot pussy mostly) or simply don't give a shit at all. Most of what I know from these subjects comes from the forum and that must say something
Anyway, enough for the rant, not even sure this necro will get any traction
My family, just for the beggining, has given me passive-aggressive shit for my interest in lifting numerous times and basically ignores most of what is talked about in this forum about looks and presentation to the point of neglecting crooked teeth and shit like that
A big part of the Red Pill is selling yourself the best you can in your interactions with the world. It's so truthful and undeniable, yet they just selectively ignore it no matter how many times the harsh truth hits them in the face
The way I see it modern blue pill families don't raise their sons to be confident, strong and bold but would rather focus on turning them into obedient work-focused cattle for society's needs
That way they either don't acknowledge young men biggest desires(hot pussy mostly) or simply don't give a shit at all. Most of what I know from these subjects comes from the forum and that must say something
Anyway, enough for the rant, not even sure this necro will get any traction
Just to add here; my father and brother are very blue pill.
In the recent past I have had trouble getting on with them, especially my Father, who reads the news daily and watches a lot of MSM.
If I shared my views it was met with 'Don't be ridiculous' which spurred me on to back it up.
In addition to having been a waste of energy,
now I fear I have black-pilled my own Father.
Remember that depending on where people are in life, it can be sweeter for them to stay ignorant.
In the recent past I have had trouble getting on with them, especially my Father, who reads the news daily and watches a lot of MSM.
If I shared my views it was met with 'Don't be ridiculous' which spurred me on to back it up.
In addition to having been a waste of energy,
now I fear I have black-pilled my own Father.
Remember that depending on where people are in life, it can be sweeter for them to stay ignorant.
I have a brother in his mid 20's who think he is red pilled (by socialism) and basically has ghosted me and my decent loving working class parents after they gave him everything....and its killing them or is speeding it up at the very least.
Honestly if your going around thinking your redpilled on society, you might well be the least redpilled about what actually matters in life and what you will be mulling over in your dying days....be careful that your not just being a cunt. Today.
I'm sure we look bluepilled and "you just don't understand me dad" to him. Politics really does fucking ruin everything, when we were young there was an often not spoken rule with my parents that the young shouldn't be having adult conversations with adults and/or discussing adult topics with relatives and should be getting along and being young. They knew this would only cause trouble if not adhered to. Looking at what happened when we became adults, I dare say a few adults would be wise to consider if they ever grew up at all.
Honestly if your going around thinking your redpilled on society, you might well be the least redpilled about what actually matters in life and what you will be mulling over in your dying days....be careful that your not just being a cunt. Today.
I'm sure we look bluepilled and "you just don't understand me dad" to him. Politics really does fucking ruin everything, when we were young there was an often not spoken rule with my parents that the young shouldn't be having adult conversations with adults and/or discussing adult topics with relatives and should be getting along and being young. They knew this would only cause trouble if not adhered to. Looking at what happened when we became adults, I dare say a few adults would be wise to consider if they ever grew up at all.
I don't really discuss much politics with them, trying to do redpill someone on politics in a casual setting sounds pretty autistic to me
The problem I was talking about, and the OP likewise, is mostly lifestyle conflicts when your cohabiting and financially dependent of someone. An extreme example would be a teenage kid raised by a strict catholic family trying to learn game, can you imagine the sabotage and resistance?
Another example in my family is my mother being a very emotional-driven and nagging type, meanwhile my father caves to her way too much on important decisions, and not only that, white knights whenever you call her out. It's a classic example of a weak frame father and seeing that shit on a weekly basis is painful
Is moving out of home the only way to get out of the trouble? I'm already set to do that by 2020 btw, but I feel I could've done, and still can do things differently
Also, I agree you can't teach an old dog tricks and old boomers are better off dying in their bubble anyways, but a younger brother? I'm already more successful than him with women and simply letting him stray would feel like I'm failing him for not at least teaching or showing something
The problem I was talking about, and the OP likewise, is mostly lifestyle conflicts when your cohabiting and financially dependent of someone. An extreme example would be a teenage kid raised by a strict catholic family trying to learn game, can you imagine the sabotage and resistance?
Another example in my family is my mother being a very emotional-driven and nagging type, meanwhile my father caves to her way too much on important decisions, and not only that, white knights whenever you call her out. It's a classic example of a weak frame father and seeing that shit on a weekly basis is painful
Is moving out of home the only way to get out of the trouble? I'm already set to do that by 2020 btw, but I feel I could've done, and still can do things differently
Also, I agree you can't teach an old dog tricks and old boomers are better off dying in their bubble anyways, but a younger brother? I'm already more successful than him with women and simply letting him stray would feel like I'm failing him for not at least teaching or showing something
I think this concern is probably shared, in one way or another, by everyone in this forum. We are all here because we see certain aspects of our world in a light that is different from the one considered normal. By definition, these views are in the minority, and therefore - unless we are completely alone - we will have to deal with family members who do not see things the way we see them.
In my experience, some of the men in my family, like my father and grandfather, are 'redpilled' to a certain extent in some issues, completely on others and 'blue pilled' on yet other topics. I can discuss virtually anything with them and, while disagreeing, the conversation is not in vain. Women is another matter, but I can be content at least that my mother is not a complete idiot, and I can still share my views, regardless of how controversial, either jokingly or more seriously with no problem.
In my extended family, uncles and aunts, grandparents, in laws, etc, this is mostly the case too, and while they think I'm a bit 'out there' they don't think I'm insane.
So you have to be patient, and not come out guns blazing with your views. Just discuss matters honestly, calmly and reasonably. If they make a fuss about it every time, I guess you'll have to start keeping things to yourself. But even if this is the case, if they are still good people and not complete pieces of shit, you shouldn't cut ties. This is my rule for the most blue pilled family members I have. Unfortunately, there's a place beyond that, which I'm finding hard to deal with.
The newer generations. I am 30, and all my cousins are 20 and below (youngest is 12). And, sad to say, the blue pill normie way of education - which is, letting them be infected by the prevailing culture, has done some real damage, perhaps irreversible in most of them. Their blue-pilled fathers did not exert masculine influence, did not give them guidance, did not teach them about the world. They simply retreated into the role of providers, letting the mothers and schools be the influence on their worldview, so I have sadly witnessed the descent into, not only basic bitch normieness, but utter and complete diversity-loving, lgbt-supporting, feminist mind virus, sometimes to extreme degrees. For example, one of my cousins is now dabbling in witchcraft and satanism, her room all covered with this shit, and my uncles don't think twice about it because she gets good grades and will get into college for some bullshit diversity degree. One of my cousins, 16 years old, is now openly a sodomite (except to my grandfather, who would probably die of disgust if told). He still acts and dresses like a faggot, started speaking in gay-voice and has turned from a normal kid I knew growing up, into an unbearable, evil cunt.
My paternal grandfather used to be the patriarch, effectively keeping all the family in order, but he sadly fell ill last year, lost his strength and therefore his influence, and everything went to shit. No standards are expected as no other patriarch has taken its place. My father is not in a position to be this figure and none of my uncles is either, for different reasons. I am not yet capable of it.
So I have seen this descent play out during Christmas. On previous years, during Christmas dinner we would all be at the table, no television on, just some light music, enjoying each other's company, just eating and talking. This time around, all my cousins were on their phones, TV was on with some faggot yapping loudly on youtube and all of this is allowed with no protest. Except for me of course- I got into an argument about it with my uncles, that they don't enforce any rules and it's destroying family time which should be sacred. Nothing came of it of course, other than my whole family thinking I was making a big deal. Even my father has ceased to give a shit. Even if not in a position to impose authority, he should at least back me up. But no.
I am trying to get my wife pregnant and, the way things are going, I don't know if I want my kids to be around the kind of people that my family has produced, and who will be the next generation of adults.
It's a tough situation, as I was raised to value family above all, but unless they all grow out of it, which statistically is unlikely, I don't know how I should proceed. If anyone has any experience or wisdom to offer, would be greatly appreciated.
In my experience, some of the men in my family, like my father and grandfather, are 'redpilled' to a certain extent in some issues, completely on others and 'blue pilled' on yet other topics. I can discuss virtually anything with them and, while disagreeing, the conversation is not in vain. Women is another matter, but I can be content at least that my mother is not a complete idiot, and I can still share my views, regardless of how controversial, either jokingly or more seriously with no problem.
In my extended family, uncles and aunts, grandparents, in laws, etc, this is mostly the case too, and while they think I'm a bit 'out there' they don't think I'm insane.
So you have to be patient, and not come out guns blazing with your views. Just discuss matters honestly, calmly and reasonably. If they make a fuss about it every time, I guess you'll have to start keeping things to yourself. But even if this is the case, if they are still good people and not complete pieces of shit, you shouldn't cut ties. This is my rule for the most blue pilled family members I have. Unfortunately, there's a place beyond that, which I'm finding hard to deal with.
The newer generations. I am 30, and all my cousins are 20 and below (youngest is 12). And, sad to say, the blue pill normie way of education - which is, letting them be infected by the prevailing culture, has done some real damage, perhaps irreversible in most of them. Their blue-pilled fathers did not exert masculine influence, did not give them guidance, did not teach them about the world. They simply retreated into the role of providers, letting the mothers and schools be the influence on their worldview, so I have sadly witnessed the descent into, not only basic bitch normieness, but utter and complete diversity-loving, lgbt-supporting, feminist mind virus, sometimes to extreme degrees. For example, one of my cousins is now dabbling in witchcraft and satanism, her room all covered with this shit, and my uncles don't think twice about it because she gets good grades and will get into college for some bullshit diversity degree. One of my cousins, 16 years old, is now openly a sodomite (except to my grandfather, who would probably die of disgust if told). He still acts and dresses like a faggot, started speaking in gay-voice and has turned from a normal kid I knew growing up, into an unbearable, evil cunt.
My paternal grandfather used to be the patriarch, effectively keeping all the family in order, but he sadly fell ill last year, lost his strength and therefore his influence, and everything went to shit. No standards are expected as no other patriarch has taken its place. My father is not in a position to be this figure and none of my uncles is either, for different reasons. I am not yet capable of it.
So I have seen this descent play out during Christmas. On previous years, during Christmas dinner we would all be at the table, no television on, just some light music, enjoying each other's company, just eating and talking. This time around, all my cousins were on their phones, TV was on with some faggot yapping loudly on youtube and all of this is allowed with no protest. Except for me of course- I got into an argument about it with my uncles, that they don't enforce any rules and it's destroying family time which should be sacred. Nothing came of it of course, other than my whole family thinking I was making a big deal. Even my father has ceased to give a shit. Even if not in a position to impose authority, he should at least back me up. But no.
I am trying to get my wife pregnant and, the way things are going, I don't know if I want my kids to be around the kind of people that my family has produced, and who will be the next generation of adults.
It's a tough situation, as I was raised to value family above all, but unless they all grow out of it, which statistically is unlikely, I don't know how I should proceed. If anyone has any experience or wisdom to offer, would be greatly appreciated.
I'm pretty sure if you live in a modern urban society eventually you have to leave the branch in the tree to spread your seed and your legacy
Maybe Portugal is different, but the times of patriarchs and family clans that live in the same neighborhood, or even the same house, for generations seems to me like a dying tradition just like blacksmithing. Doesn't mean you can't be the patriarch of your wife and kids, but it's kinda different I guess
Now, last time I checked Portugal and Spain are good places to live and raise kids, unlike a violent dystopian place with rampant "malandro" culture bullshit, or a place ridden with hostile third world migrants, so if you were able to snatch a woman to be the mother of your kids, you are capable of finding a suitable community to live and raise them well and still see your old family from time to time.
Now of course I personally wouldn't put my children near the satanist aunt and try to avoid the fag uncle but everything has a price I guess
This coming from a guy that is not even close to having a family now, just common sense, someone else gotta know more
Maybe Portugal is different, but the times of patriarchs and family clans that live in the same neighborhood, or even the same house, for generations seems to me like a dying tradition just like blacksmithing. Doesn't mean you can't be the patriarch of your wife and kids, but it's kinda different I guess
Now, last time I checked Portugal and Spain are good places to live and raise kids, unlike a violent dystopian place with rampant "malandro" culture bullshit, or a place ridden with hostile third world migrants, so if you were able to snatch a woman to be the mother of your kids, you are capable of finding a suitable community to live and raise them well and still see your old family from time to time.
Now of course I personally wouldn't put my children near the satanist aunt and try to avoid the fag uncle but everything has a price I guess
This coming from a guy that is not even close to having a family now, just common sense, someone else gotta know more
Blue pill families help reinforce your beliefs and show you the true nature of what its like to live that life. As others have echoed, you only have one family so try to make it work however difficult it may be
Quote: (01-18-2019 06:23 PM)TutorGuina Wrote:
I'm pretty sure if you live in a modern urban society eventually you have to leave the branch in the tree to spread your seed and your legacy
Maybe Portugal is different, but the times of patriarchs and family clans that live in the same neighborhood, or even the same house, for generations seems to me like a dying tradition just like blacksmithing. Doesn't mean you can't be the patriarch of your wife and kids, but it's kinda different I guess
Now, last time I checked Portugal and Spain are good places to live and raise kids, unlike a violent dystopian place with rampant "malandro" culture bullshit, or a place ridden with hostile third world migrants, so if you were able to snatch a woman to be the mother of your kids, you are capable of finding a suitable community to live and raise them well and still see your old family from time to time.
Now of course I personally wouldn't put my children near the satanist aunt and try to avoid the fag uncle but everything has a price I guess
This coming from a guy that is not even close to having a family now, just common sense, someone else gotta know more
Of course Portugal has long stopped having the traditional extended family househould. The case of my paternal family, which was the one I described, is still better than most. We don't live in the same neighborhood, but it's still close enough by car that get-togethers can be had quite often. I can be the Patriarch in my own house, but as it's often said, it takes a village to keep the peace and order of things. Despite the twists and turns of the modern world, I still remember this close family relationship and order, when my cousins were babies and little kids. But as I mentioned, this is disintegrating quickly.
As for Portugal being a good place to live and raise kids, it depends. We have our share of migrants and third worlders, but the place is still fairly peaceful. However, as demographics is destiny, this will change sooner or later, and it appears to be sooner. Our afro-descended population is a steamcooker ready to burst into social chaos, honestly, and some parts of major cities are already very dangerous to go even during the day. I hear people from the countryside saying that, because of new arrivals, the type of crime you would expect is already showing up whereas even 10 years ago it would not exist at all.
But to me this is not the biggest issue. I am of the opinion that the barbarians are inside the gates and, if nothing else, remind us that life is not the candy-coated utopia that liberal democracy has erroneously trained us to believe in. The biggest danger in my opinion is the consumerist-hedonist culture that seeps through everything in our society. More and more people are becoming desensitized to the most degenerate, amoral and satanist practices. They are starting to regard it as normal, and therefore will not protect their children from it. It's just 'progress' and nothing should be done to stop it, not even questioning it is allowed. Same thing as when I questioned why my uncles wouldn't stop the mess at the Christmas dinner table.
This to me is the biggest danger because, not only is my family infected, but the whole society at large. Who will my kids socialize with when every other kid is watching porn of the most vile kind, enjoying satanic influenced entertainment and getting their worldview from lgbt mouthpieces? I don't know. But this is what worries me above all.
I was lucky enough to have a contrarian personality that instinctively rejected most popular trends. But this is not failsafe, and it's not actually a trait that I think necessarily is good and would want my kids to have. I would prefer to fit in, and that they fit in, but there's simply no healthy social milieu to fit in anymore. The fact that it goes so far as to not being able to trust close family from being terrible influences is the rotten cherry on top of this disgusting cake.
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