[Roosh]

Identitarian movement is sort of the alt right for Europe. They do public protests in the cities there. Their leader of the Germany chapter was just accosted by a gang of antifa members. He fought back with a pepper spray gun and repelled the attack. The German police arrived, accused him of using undue force, and banned him from having any type of weapons.

Quote:

A provisional ban on the use of weapons was declared against Sellner, and investigations were initiated on suspicions of mutual bodily harm, the police said on Saturday.

http://www.heute.at/news/oesterreich/wie...50,1395938

His side of the story:

Quote:

I was at about 22:00 clock at the station Schottentor in Vienna, to meet a friend. I was talking to someone there, when four or five masked figures fell on me with kicks and blows. They had obviously recognized me as identities, and wanted to crush me.

Everything went very fast, but thanks to my pepper spray I was able to keep the attackers at a distance. The four were looking for the distance, but when I wanted to leave the station, masked antifas emerged again at the exit and tried to push me down the stairs. They did not succeed, and they fled. I then waited in the station for the arrival of the police and mingled me for security reasons among the crowd.

Have you surprised the reactions? How did the coverage come about?

I've been used to a lot, but that was a tough case of "Lügenpresse". The headings "Identi- cal shot with a weapon around itself" convey a completely wrong picture. Instead of focusing on the trigger, the Antifa attack, it is portrayed as if it had been a kind of "rampage".

Many people wonder why you actually had a pepper spray gun?

Because these attacks unfortunately sad everyday for patriotic activists are. It is a daily scandal, which the media deliberately ignores: slices are smeared, facades are smeared and people in their professional and private environment are made into a freighter. On a regular basis, murders are smeared on my façade and a few months ago my parents' car has been lit. During our demonstration in Vienna there were several serious injuries.

These street terrorists act in the moral cover coat of the established media and politics and have no consequences to fear. As you can see, those who defend themselves against these extremists are blamed for this. Some journalists on Twitter say I should have "stayed at home" and "provoked". But since when is it provocation when patriots are in their own city in the public space? As long as the Antifa terror is not stopped, but apparently does not go without self-protection.

http://info-direkt.eu/2017/02/04/nach-sc...n-sellner/

It's not just in Berkeley that the police forces refuse to attack. Antifa is the brown shirts of the globalists, and they continually get a pass from all local forces.

Amazon sells a 4-shot pepper spray gun that is rather expensive, but useful if you're a dissident and know that your use of self-defense will be construed as murder.

https://www.amazon.com/JPX-Shot-Pepper-S...B00ROJC5JY

Here's how a pepper spray gun looks like in action:

The spray is propelled by a CO2 cartridge.

[RBerkley]

Roosh,

I think in England & Canada, it could be illegal to carry pepper-spray.

Fucking feminazi-antfaggot-SJW people are the first ones to attack innocent people, then when that person defends him/herself, they get charged by police.

The best option to deal with these fucks is to sue them & their enablers like the feminist-backed police.

There is legal proceeding by my friend because he was accosted & later attacked at Pride in Toronto & the cops immediately accused him of sexually harassing naked women on the street.

When he went to Lauren Southern to tell her he was victimized by one of the topless women at a Slutwalk rally, the topless woman went to police & falsely accused him of "harassment" again. This time, the cop threatened to arrest my friend though my friend claimed that he was the one harassed.

Toronto Police & Pride Toronto are being sued about 100,000$ for racial discrimination & police harassment, but Canadian courts will probably award maximum $20-30k. Lawyers agreed that this court case is a sliding victory because everything was filmed, even the coercion from Pride Toronto & Toronto Police not to film.

If this lawsuit is won, I'll let my friend send a donation & get this court case made public. Can't reveal the court case because like those leftist faggots, they can claim or falsely accuse some law to criminalize the victim.

Other than my long explanation, my tips to dealing with these leftist thugs:

1. Evidence is vital.
2. Sue the organization and/or police when necessary.
3. If you win, donate some $$$$ to Roosh if you want him to use his time to publicize the court case.
4. Know your laws regarding self-defence. Even when you aren't even doing anything, some cunt or ant-fag will falsely accuse you of a crime after harassing you that you need to follow Step 1 because the burden of proof will be on you.
5. Take precautions if you know that you will be at risk of danger such as attending a Milo event wearing a Trump MAGA red cap.

These leftist fucks aren't even Liberal! They're a form of elitist masquerading as anti-racist, pro-equality! Fuck dem!

[scotian]

In Canada we can legally buy bear spray and you can pick it up at most outdoot outfitter type shops, it packs a serious punch.

[BoiBoi]

This guy is Austrian and the incident happened there and not in Germany.

[Parzival]

(02-04-2017 12:54 PM)BoiBoi Wrote:  

This guy is Austrian and the incident happened there and not in Germany.

Yes, he is Austrian and it did happen in Vienna, Austria.
http://info-direkt.eu/2017/02/04/nach-sc...n-sellner/

An interview with him about the attack. He say, the media play down the attack and paint him as a crazy shooter with a gas gun. Even that he got attacked by the Antifa.

[Serious Sam]

That "This is War" sign cracks me up. Three or four capable guys with high-powered rifles could end the war in about 5 seconds flat.

[Elster]

So when are the authorities going to force the man to walk around with a big yellow star in his lapel that says NAZI ?

[reciproke]

Something similar happened a couple of days ago to important figure heads of the german equivalent of the Alt Right, Götz Kubitschek and Ellen Kositza.

http://www.pi-news.net/2017/01/halle-rot...-kino-auf/

Here the Google Translation:

Quote:

Today two weeks ago, Kositza [Kubitschek wife, photo r.] And I were in the cinema in Halle. When we were on the road after the show, an Antifa pack awaited us. We had been recognized in the cinema, and then ran a reporting chain: In any case, there were around 20 partly disguised people spread across the street. They began to roar as they sighted us at the door, and what they called did not sound good.

(By Götz Kubitschek, Secession)

We withdrew into the entrance of the cinema and called the police. There they were already informed about the collapse and announced the arrival of the officials in a few minutes.

In the sequel, we learned that it was the plan of Antifa to interrupt the film and get us out of the room. The Kinobet drivers had panicked and called the police. That was our happiness. We were then driven off by a patrol car and were somehow at home in the night.

I write this down so that it can be regarded as a precursor of what I call and predict under the term "disbandment of the argument." This de-inhibition is carried out from the left, under the applause of a broad supporter and sympathy field. The highly aggressive prevention of an AfD event at the University of Magdeburg is just one of many examples. There is, of course, violence from the right-wing side, too, for example, to the violent spiral in Chemnitz, the linksparteipolitikerin Susanne Schaper, who is played badly and in whose skin one does not want to be stuck.

The intellectual environment that Kositza and I have built provides no such argument. I emphasize this because it is important and because we understand the pacification of the argument as part of our work. The nonviolent resistance to political mistakes will be the subject of Martin Sellner's talk at our Winter Academy.

The so-called left-hand discrepancies are the arguments of so-called experts, whose careers are based on a market-based market based on the discovery of a market gap. There are sufficient state resources, state and semi-state institutions. The most banal research on AfD and New Rights in general and Kositza and me in particular And finance.

Katharina König (Jena) and Juliane Nagel (Leipzig), the left-wing deputies of the left-wing parties, have been involved in this business without the fear of being violent and violent, and have often been analyzed and described.

The Greens Sebastian Striegel (Merseburg) and Jürgen Kasek (Leipzig) and their local appendages from Naumburg and Querfurt are spreading this national front against us, and they all now live on 17 February, the day when our annual winter academy in Participants.

For this day, a left demonstration is again registered, and is currently being mobilized in all surrounding larger cities for participation. The pitch is aggressive:

As we explained after the first and also after the second demo, we come back - as long as the brown dung has left the village. We believe there can be no quiet hinterland, because the hresses have not earned a rest and this time we want to spoil their cozy get-together. We are in agreement with antifascists in the region and would also like to motivate people from outside to close the IfS with us and make the winter academy unsuccessful, but above all look old!

This is how the "up-standing network" is. And a leftist group from Jena writes:

Together with the alliance to stand up against racism, we carry our protest to the gates of the Rittergut in Schnellroda, until this will fall.

What do we mean by this? The typical, morally armed, self-complacent left-wing violence? Two former chief figures of the 1968 movement will also be present at the Winter Academy, and I will have a panel discussion with me about the left concept of violence and their justification theories: Günter Maschke, once the "Dutschke von Wien" and Bernd Rabehl, the closest friend of Dutschke and the author of the essay Left-wing violence, which our publishing house can be reprinted in time for the academy (in this case it can be pre-ordered).

This is impressive: The self-evident and self-complacency with which the escalation of violence up to the RAF terror was then discussed and advocated, and from there a thread runs through to our time.

A word to the self-proclaimed experts, with whom I do not occupy myself otherwise - they are not experts, but secondary and tertiary papers, whose ink dries, if we do not express ourselves for a few weeks. Then they have nothing to which they can write again what they always write.

Today I write down Liane Bednarz. In Jena, she gave a lecture about us in front of students, undisturbed, of course, and in the course of this lecture was also mobilized for the demo against us in February.

Mrs. Bednarz describes herself as a liberal-conservative, but she now speaks without any inhibition from radical left and mobilizes her against us. Pecuniam non olet, we know with this woman, she can always express herself about us, lastly, in mdr ("Fakt ist"), and there she also warned us again of our danger and our ability to conceal things, to cover up and to cipher . She herself, of course, is able to decipher our language codes, but she advises others to discuss with us.

So: underpinnings, suspicion, slander, nothing new under the sun, it deserves its money, and the better the more dangerous it presents us. She spreads her material in front of people who are waiting in front of the cinemas and want to muck out our hall in Schnellroda. We know that even with Bednarz's arguments, we are arguing about the legitimacy of violence against us.

This weekend, we will have a peaceful weekend with selected participants and speakers. We will not rely on the police, but will also take care of our security. This is troublesome, but necessary, and it must be as it is now developed, de-inhibiting.

The conversation with the state protection was, incidentally, revealing: in everyday life, outside of the compaction days of an academy weekend, we can not be protected.

I do not care what happens to me, I should fall into the wrong people in the hands. But one thing I would like to say is that if my wife or one of my children are to have something to do, I will not consider it a coincidence, but will go on a search.

[Foolsgo1d]

@ RBerkley

Suing them is not the answer, they're criminals and the consequences are not as severe as you think. They're cannon fodder but useless fodder nonetheless and the organisations they belong to have well paid lawyers.

Prison in the Uk and EU is nothing to them and only serves their interests, if they even get a sentence and not fined or given community service or suspended prison terms. The prison and justice system here has been turned into a joke long ago so to hope it can crack down on a legion of brown shirts is holding out for hope which will not come.

We've seen the only thing that works with them is physical violence. The problem being is two things; !: You'll get imprisoned and ruined because remember, you're not a criminal scumbag like they are and consequences are far worse.

2: Force application. How many are willing to go around cracking heads? A dozen? Hundreds? You ask normal people to go around fighting the likes of Antifa and they will laugh at you or not have a clue about what it is you are relating to.

Antifa is what we saw in pre-communist revolutions. You see historians comment on these groups and people think it can't happen again. Well, it is happening again and we are seeing the beginnings of it.

Zel and Samseau go on about Muslims vs Christians but one big enemy will be these communist groups who are the Trojan horse of Europe. Look at how easy it is to subvert European politics and justice and the police state we find ourselves in.

Time goes on and they won't be leaving anytime soon.

[John Michael Kane]

Just a heads up : Pepper spray laws often have local implications, now just national. Make sure to check your local laws as well. If you're in a war zone that is parts of Europe, I suspect more natives will start breaking the law just ensure some level of protection. The law only works when people belive the police are there to protect them. Increasingly, we're seeing the police in leftist controlled areas intentionally letting any patriotic citizen get attacked with impunity. Head to the gym, learn MMA, get pepper spray or a concealed carry. Get whatever is available to you and keep your head on a swivel.

[RBerkley]

@ FoolsG0ld,

When it comes to these leftist riots, I agree that they are criminals who incite violence under the cause of feminazism, globalism, anti-wape-culture, etc.

But, if a Plaintiff was harmed on school property or municipal property, the school, police or city can be sued.

My friend lodged a legal proceeding & a few cops & staff members of Pride organization "resigned" or "retired" from their jobs within weeks of knowing the lawsuit. Lawsuits are what it is proverbially called "clogging up the toilet with cement". You think some overpaid donut eater would want to answer in court against accusations of racism & police harassment accusations when he knows that BLM will knock on his door? The same organizations which condone the violence caused by leftist organizations are the ones who fear them.

I know that if you're a white straight cis-male, it would be more difficult to sue though.

That white hot journalist with a tight ass, Lauren Southern was assaulted at a protest against Harvard Professor Peterson at University of Toronto & Smugglypuff was charged in court. University of Toronto later enforced rules not to create riots on campus. Professor Peterson didn't get any protests during his last debate.

These leftist goons will utilize violence while playing the victim, but lawsuits against the enablers will "clog up the toilet with cement". Roosh needs to update a post when dealing with leftist protesting. Like if Roosh gets assaulted on a California campus, he has every right to sue the university for causing him harm.

Point is, Lauren Southern pressed charges against students at University Toronto & the university isn't that infested with the Chanty Binx style of rioting as in 2012-2013.

Lawsuits will change things because most people don't like to see a legal letter in there mailbox. It can be safely stated that the only winners with the clash of generalizations are the lawyers who earn $$$$ by the hour.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I noted in another thread that antifa and anarchists are moving to a direct action model which will see them doing less protests and more planned attacks.

The article in the OP says that this crew of antifa "recognised" him. I'm not so sure, translation issues aside. There is the very real possibility that they had someone shadow him before choosing a time and place to attack him.

As I said in the other thread. Be aware that things are moving beyond a "roaming packs of troublemakers" system of political violence. We may be seeing the beginning of targeted assaults which by accident or design will inevitably lead to targeted killings.

Don't brush this warning off with normalcy bias. This is all stuff that the more dangerous men on the right were threatening to do themselves if Hillary stole the election. There's no reason to think that the psychopaths on the left aren't willing to do the same or worse.

[Roosh]

Martin Sellner, leader of the Austrian branch, is having a bad month. The Christchurch shooter donated $1500 to him in January to put heat on him. Sellner's house was raided and had his devices confiscated:

Quote:

Austrian authorities have searched the home of a prominent far-right activist as part of a probe into his ties to the alleged Christchurch mosque gunman, officials said on Tuesday.
Key points:

Head of the Identitarian Movement of Austria, Martin Sellner, said police searched his apartment on Monday
They seized electronic devices after Mr Sellner received money from a person with the same surname as the New Zealand shooter
Prosecutors stumbled across the donation as part of an existing probe into Mr Sellner over possible financial offences

Head of the white nationalist group Identitarian Movement of Austria, Martin Sellner, said on social media that police searched his apartment on Monday.

They seized electronic devices after Mr Sellner received a "disproportionately high donation" from a person named Tarrant — the same surname as the suspected Christchurch shooter.

Austrian Interior Ministry spokesman Christoph Poelzl confirmed on Tuesday that the country's domestic intelligence agency searched the premises in Vienna at the request of prosecutors in the city of Graz.

A spokesman for Graz prosecutors, Hansjoerg Bacher, said prosecutors had stumbled across the donation as part of an existing probe against Mr Sellner into possible financial offences.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-26/a...s/10942764

He did a video on it:

And now he just got banned from the United States. He planned on marrying his American fiance, Brittany Pettibone, this summer.

Quote:

And the U.S. State Department seemingly joined in the pile-on, revoking Sellner’s electronic U.S. travel authorization (ESTA). “I called and they told me it was ‘based on my background’. Now, I can’t visit my fiancée or her family, or get married in the US as planned”, Sellner announced on Twitter.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03...ack-video/

[url=https://twitter.com/Martin_Sellner/status/1111247989488738305][/url]

[godfather dust]

It will be interesting to see what other right wing figures that "guy" (intelligence agency) donated to.

[Aurini]

(02-04-2017 12:44 PM)scotian Wrote:  

In Canada we can legally buy bear spray and you can pick it up at most outdoot outfitter type shops, it packs a serious punch.

And it's illegal to carry in the cities.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Idiots.

If they ban bear spray then only the bears will have it.

Seriously, though. The uncucked Right needs to start organising their activities with the same assumptions in play as organised criminals. I'm not saying they should break the law. I'm saying they should structure their organisations on the assumption that they will be treated as though they are breaking the law.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(03-28-2019 07:40 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

And now he just got banned from the United States. He planned on marrying his American fiance, Brittany Pettibone, this summer.

Quote:

And the U.S. State Department seemingly joined in the pile-on, revoking Sellner’s electronic U.S. travel authorization (ESTA). “I called and they told me it was ‘based on my background’. Now, I can’t visit my fiancée or her family, or get married in the US as planned”, Sellner announced on Twitter.

Thanks Trump!

[911]

He did move the Embassy Eel, what are you complaining about?

[BortimusPrime]

The real weak point of the alt right is that they can't seem to let go of the presumption that as long as they obey the law the authorities are somehow obliged to act according to their stated purpose and follow the law as well. Then every single time they get into a fight the police come down on them as if they were Hannibal Lecter while the leftists that attacked them aren't even charged. My guess is that its due to most of the political unrest these days is coming out of middle class youth on both sides, and they all grew up under that paradigm of being socialized to defer to authority figures, the conditioning from which isn't easily broken.

Then when someone finally snaps they go for the blaze of glory spree killing, which doesn't really accomplish anything except provide justification for more draconian policies from the authorities. Islamist suicide attacks are effective terrorism because there are lots of them and the authorities are correctly seen to be unable to control it, which serves the intended purpose of weakening their legitimacy. Obviously I can't say out loud what the effective alternative for the alt right would be, but there are plenty of historical and contemporary examples to pattern off, as Leonard pointed out.

[Trumpian]

The altright is comically naive. You can't be a fringe group with ideas that threaten the system and then expect said system to treat you fairly.

There's a clear revolutionary blueprint to follow. The colonial rebels didn't linger to chat with redcoats or pretend to be law abiding citizens.

Even antifa grasps this stuff better honestly.

[Tresdus]

(03-28-2019 07:40 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Martin Sellner, leader of the Austrian branch, is having a bad month. The Christchurch shooter donated $1500 to him in January to put heat on him. Sellner's house was raided and had his devices confiscated:

It's worse than that. He got the donation in January 2018. It's crazy that anyone can donate to you and implicate you as a terrorist

[Leonard D Neubache]

(03-29-2019 06:47 PM)Trumpian Wrote:  

The altright is comically naive. You can't be a fringe group with ideas that threaten the system and then expect said system to treat you fairly.

There's a clear revolutionary blueprint to follow. The colonial rebels didn't linger to chat with redcoats or pretend to be law abiding citizens.

Even antifa grasps this stuff better honestly.

This is something that's been noted routinely, particularly since 2016.

Even the largest dissident figures on the Right structure their lives around being celebrities rather than revolutionaries.

Tommy Robinson still walks around more or less by himself as if he's no different from Jeremy Clarkson or James May from Top Gear. Richard Spencer in his heyday got punched by a random wanker on inauguration day if I recall correctly. The premier "neo-nazi" of the ethno-nationalist set was wandering around DC during a time of radically heightened political unrest with nothing to protect him but an overcoat. Then he gets punched.

"See?! The left are the real criminals! Now everyone will get behind me and we'll be able to make some real changes, right?!"



Nobody takes these guys seriously because on some level they don't take themselves and their own "movements" seriously.

When Sellner or Spencer or Vox Day move to a non-extradition country and never go anywhere without being surrounded by a team of men with assault rifles THEN you will know that shit is getting real.

[Paracelsus]

(03-29-2019 05:52 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

The real weak point of the alt right is that they can't seem to let go of the presumption that as long as they obey the law the authorities are somehow obliged to act according to their stated purpose and follow the law as well. Then every single time they get into a fight the police come down on them as if they were Hannibal Lecter while the leftists that attacked them aren't even charged. My guess is that its due to most of the political unrest these days is coming out of middle class youth on both sides, and they all grew up under that paradigm of being socialized to defer to authority figures, the conditioning from which isn't easily broken.

Then when someone finally snaps they go for the blaze of glory spree killing, which doesn't really accomplish anything except provide justification for more draconian policies from the authorities. Islamist suicide attacks are effective terrorism because there are lots of them and the authorities are correctly seen to be unable to control it, which serves the intended purpose of weakening their legitimacy. Obviously I can't say out loud what the effective alternative for the alt right would be, but there are plenty of historical and contemporary examples to pattern off, as Leonard pointed out.

The alt-right has one thing in common with the MSMright: it thinks that if it shames enough people or exposes enough leftie shitheads as being hypocrites, that people will start to think leftism is invalid as a concept.

This is a shit idea. If people believed that governments would fall on the first corruption scandal. It doesn't. People are too fat, medicated, and able to afford their addictions - and people will always use the 'few bad apples' argument, which is the sole reason masses of Muslims have not been deported by force from the West thus far. The West is individualistic, it doesn't really believe that people represent the actual ideologies they say they do, they believe every person is unique and special and for that reason separable from their colour of choice.

The Right as a group seems to think it'll win if it stays noble and principled. That time has all but passed.

I wish I had a more precise way of making the point, but this old 1987 movie does it, starting from 1:32:30 to 1:33:28.

Shut the fuck up, I was left at home a lot as a kid and the video stores had 10 movies for $10 weekly deals.

[ilostabet]

It’s hard for me to take any of these guys seriously, but for different reasons than the ones stated above. I think it’s normal that leaders on the right need time to learn they are enemies of the new world order, and the rules are different for them. To me what makes them untrustworthy is their company and life choices. I don’t know if there’s an English version of this saying, but ‘Show me who you spend your time with, and I’ll tell you who you are’.

Richard Spencer married a weird Russian girl, then got into a divorce and now is dating the embodiment of what he stands against? Is he going to eventually date a trans black 'girl'? He basically left the guys from Charlotesville out to dry, despite his trust fund. No one is guilty of being born rich, but if you have ideals, use that to your advantage. To me it just seems like he enjoys playing the rebel, without risking anything real other than his reputation.

But at least he disavowed Greg ‘Grids’ Johnson, that’s more than I can say for Vox, who despite all the good things he does, still hangs out with Milo. I appreciate Vox’s writings sometimes, but the contradiction is too great. Plus he has this self-importance to him that rubs me the wrong way. Some humility is in order I think, even if you’re a genius as he claims to be.

Then you have Martin Sellner and his cringy body language with his soon to be wife. It started to smell fishy to me when he was hanging out with prime trad thot Lauren Southern, then he got engaged to ‘thousand cock stare’ Petty Boner? When will men on the right learn that a serious movement just doesn’t allow women to be in the lead or anything close to it? ‘If you love trad thots so much why don’t you marry them Sellner?’ And the guy is actually doing it. SMH.

I want to like these guys but so many red flags.

You know a good leader for the dissident right? Roosh. If he’s willing to or not, that’s another matter, but he displays none of the red flags other guys do. When the time came, he didn’t let his followers down after the meetup debacle; he didn’t let himself be ensnared by the media, like Richard does constantly, and instead fought back in epic fashion; he has skin in the game; he doesn’t collaborate with sodomites or is full of himself, like Vox; and he is not marrying a thot, like Sellner.

Most importantly, he understands that this is not just a political battle, but instead, now more than ever, that ‘we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.’ For all their talk, it doesn’t seem like the other three realize this is about a lot more than politics.

[General Mayhem]

(04-04-2019 06:00 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  

It’s hard for me to take any of these guys seriously, but for different reasons than the ones stated above. I think it’s normal that leaders on the right need time to learn they are enemies of the new world order, and the rules are different for them. To me what makes them untrustworthy is their company and life choices. I don’t know if there’s an English version of this saying, but ‘Show me who you spend your time with, and I’ll tell you who you are’.

I totally agree with you. I've never been able to sit through any of vox's videos. Never understood why there was such a craze around milo. The decisions that spencer makes in regards to women is strange.

I don't think any of the current right wing e-celebs will have any serious role as this season of history plays out. There will be leaders who rise up on the right and move things forward but right now they are all still mostly unknown.