[andwan0]

this pattern has led me baffled....

sleep with hot girl multiple times... with no statement of kind of relationship...
then an orbiter who is an insecure shy non-confident guy who befriends the girl, and asks her out to be exclusive...
she accepts and goes with him
this has happened to me twice by 2 different girls

what gives?
these string of events goes against PUA theory.

[iknowexactly]

(10-20-2014 07:02 AM)andwan0 Wrote:  

this pattern has led me baffled....

sleep with hot girl multiple times... with no statement of kind of relationship...
then an orbiter who is an insecure shy non-confident guy who befriends the girl, and asks her out to be exclusive...
she accepts and goes with him
this has happened to me twice by 2 different girls

what gives?
these string of events goes again PUA theory.

I disagree. PU since Mystery codified it is based on Evolutionary biology.
Evolution is by definition what works.

I imagine many self-respecting guys who "lift heavy" would think peacock tails are "gay."

Well, they're not. Because they exist.

And do i smell a bridge around here, under which lives....

[The Beast1]

(10-20-2014 07:02 AM)andwan0 Wrote:  

this pattern has led me baffled....

sleep with hot girl multiple times... with no statement of kind of relationship...
then an orbiter who is an insecure shy non-confident guy who befriends the girl, and asks her out to be exclusive...
she accepts and goes with him
this has happened to me twice by 2 different girls

what gives?
these string of events goes against PUA theory.

If not, then:

1. Stop analyzing PUA theory. The only "theory" you need is Bang, Day Bang, and learning how to enjoy social interaction with another human.
2. You were getting NSA sex without a relationship. You made zero mention of your intentions for getting a LTR.
3. Girl unaware of your aloofness was approached by another guy who probably types in complete sentences and who is more forthcoming with his intentions got the girl because she was probably looking for a LTR.

Solutions going forward:
1. Always type messages in complete sentences.
2. State your intentions more coyly. It sounds like you want a LTR. Congrats, most guys just want the lay. Do exactly what you're doing, but be more forth coming in your relationship intensions.

[Dr. Howard]

again...if not troll there is a 'dark triad' angle that you have missed. If these women truly have committed, on facebook, to a stable, secure, nice guy orbiter type...give it about 6 months and then re initate and they will bang you on the side/down low. There is example after example on this forum of this occurring.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Haha - Friend Zone Game:

Become friends witch hot HB8+.
Be as shy, dorky, weak, whiny and awkward as you can be.
Feign interest in her problems.
Then suddenly one night when she complains about the asshole Alpha who is fucking her, offer her more more than your friendship - offer your dick - and make your dick offer exclusive.
She is shocked, because she had nooooooo idea that you were into her, but she quickly accepts and becomes your faithful girlfriend - dropping all those Alphas in the process.

Perfect friend-zone Game - works every time.

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Also - next time when you have paid for sex with those two hot girls, offer them a more expensive exclusive sugardaddy-arrangement and you too can be as shy and awkward as you want.

[kaotic]

She saw you as the lover (hence the dtf sex), the girls sees those guys as providers (hence the relationship).

I wouldn't necessarily call it friend-zone game. Great idea to do a follow up bang if she's in a relationship or not, if you fucked her right, she'll be texting you later on in her relationship for some NSA sex.

Not to mention the holidays are coming up, sluts are locking guys down so they don't feel lonely and insecure.

[WD-40]

A woman who can't lock down a steady boyfriend ranks even lower on the value scale than a beta nerd who can't get laid.

But just because a woman will take commitment from a guy doesn't entail that she will give commitment to him - it is not a symmetrical relationship.

[Virtus]

Locking down commitment means waaay more than getting some strange for most women. They can get dick in a phone call.




They need to work to get someone to commit.

Especially if that girl is around 29-30. cause it's the last call

so how old are these girls?

[WD-40]

(10-20-2014 01:35 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

They need to work to get someone to commit.

Not so sure. If the original poster is to be believed, all these women need to do is say yes to an orbiter's commitment offer.

But of course even that might be too much work for some women.

[WestIndianArchie]

All the theories have the same flaw.

They all assume that women don't have any agency, that women don't have wills of their own - that they're slaves to biology and culture.

So to make your understanding of any game theory work, remember that at any point a woman is ready, willing, and able to make a decision that is both illogical and inconsistent with previous behavior.

The greater question is should you abandon the theory...

WIA

[Foolsgo1d]

Easy answer.

Friends are hung like a horse and lay pipe like a plumber on crack.

[DarkTriad]

(10-20-2014 07:02 AM)andwan0 Wrote:  

this pattern has led me baffled....

sleep with hot girl multiple times... with no statement of kind of relationship...
then an orbiter who is an insecure shy non-confident guy who befriends the girl, and asks her out to be exclusive...
she accepts and goes with him
this has happened to me twice by 2 different girls

what gives?
these string of events goes against PUA theory.

Black Dragon calls this LSNFTE. When a girl is tired of being fucked and chucked by players, she'll revert to the safe, rational, bluepill choice of a devoted orbiter. However, modern women are so damaged, they CAN'T be happy with this for long, and they inevitably put the poor loser through hell, then dump him and come crawling back to you.

LSNFTE = long soft Next for temporary exclusivity.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(10-20-2014 03:09 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

...
Black Dragon calls this LSNFTE. When a girl is tired of being fucked and chucked by players, she'll revert to the safe, rational, bluepill choice of a devoted orbiter. However, modern women are so damaged, they CAN'T be happy with this for long, and they inevitably put the poor loser through hell, then dump him and come crawling back to you.

LSNFTE = long soft Next for temporary exclusivity.

I do think that OP is a troll and anti-game expert, but of course it is always possible that a girl in a certain phase of her life goes into relationship with a Beta Bucks for the long term.

Some girls even try to clean their system by becoming celibate for a year. All those steps should magically make them "ready" to meet their future husband. Rollo Tomassi calls it the epiphany phase.

So yes - women have a multitude of reasons to get together with a Beta she considers relationship-worthy (and be monogamous for awhile). Some girls experience more fatigue after having fucked 10 guys, others after 200 - the end result is usually the same. She usually remains discontent in the LTR and will leave his sorry ass or pine eternally after the Alpha cock.

So no - Game is not at fault - we can explain it better than any therapist. Just read through Rollo Tomassi's stuff and you will find your answers (ahem ... troll).

[StrikeBack]

This is pretty normal. Any of us who's had a FB (esp one who's very into us) will experience this at some point.

One of mine rage-quit one day because she expected me to have feelings for her, and ended up dating a guy who is the exact opposite of me in many ways: he's skinny, feminine looking, clean shaven and a male feminist (he went to their conferences & shit, full on faggotry). I thought that was fairly amusing. It lasted for a couple of months before she told me he's like a baby and disgusted her. She dumped him, and he's probably still writing poetry about her now.

You can't have a FB arrangement that lasts forever on your terms. I don't think any PUA ever suggests it.

Sometimes though the woman will still come back for your dick anyway, despite being taken or even married. Her new guy doesn't really "win".

[OnlyMarryInTajikistan]

Western women are more logical than you think, that it something that has come with their masculinization.

If a girl gets pumped and dumped repeatedly for years, and has an alpha or two in her past she pines over, that is bound to affect her worldview. In the West you often have very young girls (15,16) who are very idealistic about love, go out into the world, get spat on by alphas, and their mindset changes completely once they are little bit older. This is why they shield themselves emotionally and practically adopt the mentality of a male player. A Western girl is perfectly capable of using you for sex, completely free of emotion.

Such is the case that, for many young Western girls, being a beta male is actually a requirement for a relationship. These men are reliable, she doesn't have to worry about him leaving or hurting her like all those other "assholes" did. She can always have her sexual needs covered by some alpha at the club. Women think very little of this. In their minds, there is no moral argument against it.