[Phoenix]

OP, everything you are doing is correct. Your mother and brother know nothing.
All my club lays have come from me being alone. Many valuable male contacts, have come from me being alone. I strongly prefer it. Going out with friends gained me nothing.

If you are doing this at mere 19, you are going to become very socially strong in your 20s. This is the action of a go-getter.
Does James Bond need his friends with him? Fuck no, he is totally self-sufficient.

Regarding 'why are you alone?', any bullshit reason is fine, as long as you look totally unphased that it was asked. If you don't think it is a problem at all, they will reconsider if they do.

[almohajem]

Here's what I (we) do:

I have a single buddy interested in gaming/getting laid. We go together but inside the club we split. Each on his own.

This helps a lot when people ask "who are you with?". "My Friend. We are staying there but I'm doing a tour of the club".

[Parlay44]

(10-19-2014 05:52 AM)almohajem Wrote:  

Here's what I (we) do:

I have a single buddy interested in gaming/getting laid. We go together but inside the club we split. Each on his own.

This helps a lot when people ask "who are you with?". "My Friend. We are staying there but I'm doing a tour of the club".

I think rolling with a wing is ideal. It negates the "creepy" vibe. You can open girls together. He can fill in the blanks when you can't think of things to say. You can jump on grenades for each other. It can be fun even if you don't score that night.

[Little Dark]

Double post

[Phoenix]

(10-19-2014 06:50 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I think rolling with a wing is ideal. It negates the "creepy" vibe. You can open girls together. He can fill in the blanks when you can't think of things to say. You can jump on grenades for each other. It can be fun even if you don't score that night.

I've never had it improve things, even with a wing I'd considered nearly ideal. Any creepy vibe can be wiped out within 1 minute, but being with a wing who is too awkward/timid or too 'machine-gun-approach-like' by even a small amount will hurt you.

And no-one wants to jump a grenade, and this can often sour things. Also if you assume 50% 'girl likes guy' chance (obviously it's lower), the chance of 'two girls like two separate guys not independently selected' is 25%.

As a personal anecdote, I remember being in a club in SE asia once by myself, and a table of 3 ugly chicks in their 30s and 1 loud-mouthed douchebag guy, all American (or at least speaking with American accents), were sat at a table not far from where I was standing. I overheard the guy talking mockingly about a 'lurker'. I looked in his direction and he grinningly remarked 'Oh look he saw us!' to the girls, and they laughed with him and joined in the mockery. Patronizing pieces of shit, one of the very few times I've ever been disrespected or mocked just for chilling out by myself, and unsurprisingly by westerners.

About 15 minutes later I got past the hook-point with a smoking hot chick I had pulled from her friends as I was walking around (she was marginally crazy, but damn hot). After chatting a while, I moved her to another part of the bar to get some drinks. I deliberately walked her past the douche-bag table every time we moved. Wiped the grins of their faces beautifully. Felt good man.

[Foolsgo1d]

I'm from the UK and roll solo. It opens up good possibilities for you and as people say, it is hard to find someone decent to roll with.

Never been questioned by the bouncers if I am alone, I don't entertain the idea of talking to them or anyone who seems negative. Learn how to clown guys who hate on you.

Usually if someone sidelines you as a loner or "creeper" they're not having a fun time, aren't shit and trying too hard. One instance some dickhead tried to shoulder check me but I returned more and he had nothing as I was much bigger than him.

He reverted to laughing at me, pointing out to me I was by myself. I clowned them back harder and started throwing fag insults. Loud mouths are just an itch which needs scratching.

Pulling when you're solo is what makes it worth it. You are your own man and you don't want to be some sad sack of shit watching coronation street or some American drama like everybody else does these days.

[bradz]

Thought I'd chime in...Just do it...sometimes it all just depends on luck, logistics, or your wingman. Some types of places work fine if solo. Sometimes wingmen become cockblocks unintentionally. Some examples.

I was alone in a small town a couple months ago - so I bellied up at a bar with a beer and watched a game on TV over the bar. There were basically no gilrs in there. Then 45 walked in and sat at the bar. I got myself into their conversation and ended going home with one that night - decent looking , very tight little body. 24 yrs old. I'm over 40. Fucked her brains - out she didn't know what she was getting into.

In Vegas recently I was alone for a night - went to a big club. I had mixed emotions about going - but said fuck it and went. Had a few drinks, talked to a few girls by the dance floor. Then - and this is so weird - especially for Vegas - approached a girl who I though was with two others but she was alone. I know what you are thinking - but seriously she must have been the only girl ever to go to a Vegas club alone who wasn't a hooker LOL. She was very mousey actually and I took her to my hotel. She was 30, seemed younger and super innocent. Tight little body. No bang but licked pussy all night.


Then there are friends/guys who fuck up your game - they get too drunk, or get too crude. Great guys and great friends but hurt the cause. Recently was out with a friend who gets too drunk and it gets weird. I was able to drop him off at home then went back to a restaurant/bar and bellied up at the bar with a drink in front of the TV - while on the lookout for opportunity. Struck up a conversation with my neighbor but she wasn't my type. Wasn't to be that night. I don't force things - I don't game hard - especially when solo - I go with my mood and circumstances. I know that's not true for a lot of guys here and that's cool. Key is if you're going with a guy make sure he is neutral or helps the cause. Personally my first choice is to go with a guy who compliments the game, next is solo, last with a guy who potentially hurts the game.

[Mercenary]

(10-18-2014 01:10 PM)Little Dark Wrote:  

However for my next solo night I'm gonna hit up a different club, this one is just getting crap.
I wanna move beyond my comfort zone.

[Merenguero]

(01-31-2016 04:46 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(10-18-2014 01:10 PM)Little Dark Wrote:  

However for my next solo night I'm gonna hit up a different club, this one is just getting crap.
I wanna move beyond my comfort zone.

He got into the now legendary fight with white knights less than a month after making that post. I think it's safe to say that he moved beyond his comfort zone.

[Suits]

(02-16-2016 04:19 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(01-31-2016 04:46 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(10-18-2014 01:10 PM)Little Dark Wrote:  

However for my next solo night I'm gonna hit up a different club, this one is just getting crap.
I wanna move beyond my comfort zone.

He got into the now legendary fight with white knights less than a month after making that post. I think it's safe to say that he moved beyond his comfort zone.

Not even close. Little Dark's comfort zone is bigger than the world you know.

[Vinny]

This is a sensitive subject for me. I've traveled and rolled solo 99% of my life, and to be honest I am still not over this question.
It really depends on the place. Russia and the Netherlands were the worst for that. In these places you just can't be alone in a nightclub or a bar. It is an instant DLV, meaning you are a creep, have no friends or a drunkard. I have yet to explore Holland more thoroughly but 100% sure about 2nd Tier Russia.
In places where being alone is a DLV I lie, saying my friends have just left. Or that a friend of mine has a jealous girlfriend who does not let him go out, this can also be used as a jealous girlfriend opener to get conversation going. In countries where being alone is more normal, I just say I like to meet new people.
Hell I've even used that as an opinion opener once. Asking 2 girls what do they think about solo travelers. That led to a long conversation about travelling alone, and how it is easier for guys, etc.

I am now using meetups more often and more efficiently, this lets you avoid this quiestion, and allows you to have a like-minded guy around, more often with better experience of the Town you are visiting.

[Adrenaline]

I despise the culture here in Australia where anyone who goes out alone is seen as creepy. Everyone pre drinks and goes out in huge groups which is okay for younger guys, but as you get past your teens and early 20s this harem of friends who are willing to party dies down. I try to ignore the stigma against rolling solo as much as I can, and do enjoy going out alone, but it's so difficult to find a variety of venues where your lack of an entourage doesen't stand out. I usually end up in the same 3 or 4 places and the venues attract the same people week after week so sooner or later being spotted alone continuously is hard to have a good answer for. I tell some women I just moved from interstate, then when they see me out alone again a month later, they must get suspicious lol. Definitely need to move to a bigger city with more solo venue options where I can stay anonymous easier.

What do fellow lone wolves consider to be the best countries/cities for solo game?

[Phoenix]

Everywhere's been about the same for me. Excepting Australia, where there are a lot of arrogant nobodies who like to feel brief elevation by snubbing people.

Any place where there are more travellers are a bit easier too, because travelers are usually more outgoing, so you can strike up conversations more easily with them. When I'm solo I usually talk to dudes first (especially other foreigners, sometimes local guys can be a cockblock risk). There is nothing riding on it, I couldn't care even slightly what their opinions of me are, so it accomplishes two goals: you get socially warmed up, and you are seen talking to many people by girls in the room instead of being seen alone.

Actually the funny thing with Australians is that they'll even take their arrogant snubbing language with them overseas. It's extremely easy to deal with then though -- I don't even respond to the jab, I just immediately say "oh you're from Australia?". The typical arrogant grin then wipes straight off. Priceless.

[XPQ22]

I've been going out solo for the past couple months in the Boston/Providence area, I'm in my mid 30s. I almost never get shit from it from men or women. I actually can't remember a time a woman asked me directly where my friends were, and the few times it's come up with guys I just say I recently came to the area and am checking out the scene. They seem content with that.

The only time a guy really gave me stress over it was a young guy, maybe 21 or 22. He honestly couldn't believe that it was possible to just go out to a nightclub alone and hang. And it seemed like it was actually more of an "a ha!" moment for him than a serious problem.

I've made friends with the bartenders/bouncers/owners at some of the places I go to because I spend a fair amount of money and tip decently. When you show up like you own the place and the bouncer waves you past the line and the owner gives you a big smile and handshake once you're inside, people wonder what game you got going and not why you're out there alone.

[XPQ22]

(02-18-2016 03:26 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Actually the funny thing with Australians is that they'll even take their arrogant snubbing language with them overseas.

Why do they talk like this? Where every statement? Sounds like a question?

[Phoenix]

(02-18-2016 07:51 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 03:26 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Actually the funny thing with Australians is that they'll even take their arrogant snubbing language with them overseas.

Why do they talk like this? Where every statement? Sounds like a question?

I know aye?

I think it's an ego or insecurity thing. Questions force a response, which feels like a form of control over others. Same reason as the snubs, if someone tries to talk to you and you snub them, it momentarily feels like control and being socially above them, even if the opposite is true.

[PAL]

I'm 19 and haven't left Australia yet. Zero notches. From my experience, if you're out solo and you approach a group, it's common for girls to instantly label you as a weirdo and guys to be dismissive, belittling douchebags. It's just shit to overcome, like anything else.

It's worst in bars and clubs. Drinking can be fun, but:
1. it's a fucking ripoff
2. it's an unhealthy habit
3. i cannot stand cigarette smoke
4. it's australia, land of the ripped, tanned beach bro, and they are all hanging out in pubs preventing you from getting girls

I prefer solo, sober day game.

[Adrenaline]

(02-18-2016 09:36 AM)PAL Wrote:  

I'm 19 and haven't left Australia yet. Zero notches. From my experience, if you're out solo and you approach a group, it's common for girls to instantly label you as a weirdo and guys to be dismissive, belittling douchebags. It's just shit to overcome, like anything else.

It's worst in bars and clubs. Drinking can be fun, but:
1. it's a fucking ripoff
2. it's an unhealthy habit
3. i cannot stand cigarette smoke
4. it's australia, land of the ripped, tanned beach bro, and they are all hanging out in pubs preventing you from getting girls

I prefer solo, sober day game.

The struggle is real. US and UK men think they have it tough, but haven't seen anything until they try to game without a social circle here.

I disagree with the part about "ripped, tanned beach bros" preventing you from getting girls though. Nobody is preventing you from getting girls except yourself. I probably am one of those ripped, tanned guys you speak of but don't get as much pussy as you would expect because I'm lazy and don't approach often. I've seen plenty of guys, who you would think had zero chance, pick up girls that I'm interested in because I simply get caught up enjoying the music, attention etc and play the waiting game to long. Believe it or not, the majority of Aussie men are like this. They look intimidating but they don't do shit when it comes to making a move on random women. Reminds of the line "Hey I might not be the best looking guy in this room, but I'm the only one talking to you". You just got to put yourself out there mate.

[XPQ22]

(02-18-2016 08:14 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 07:51 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Why do they talk like this? Where every statement? Sounds like a question?

I know aye?

I think it's an ego or insecurity thing. Questions force a response, which feels like a form of control over others. Same reason as the snubs, if someone tries to talk to you and you snub them, it momentarily feels like control and being socially above them, even if the opposite is true.

It's caught on among young American women as well, of course since it's young women doing it it's all good:

Uptalking

Along with that "vocal fry" thing where their voice gets low and gravelly and every sentence sounds like they're saying "I'm like, soooooo disinterested in what you're saying to me right nowwwwww...."

[CPG]

(02-18-2016 09:36 AM)PAL Wrote:  

I'm 19 and haven't left Australia yet. Zero notches. From my experience, if you're out solo and you approach a group, it's common for girls to instantly label you as a weirdo and guys to be dismissive, belittling douchebags. It's just shit to overcome, like anything else.

It's worst in bars and clubs. Drinking can be fun, but:
1. it's a fucking ripoff
2. it's an unhealthy habit
3. i cannot stand cigarette smoke
4. it's australia, land of the ripped, tanned beach bro, and they are all hanging out in pubs preventing you from getting girls

I prefer solo, sober day game.

I'm surprised at all the hate the Australians apparently have to handle against rolling solo. I've never gone out there so I'll listen to the guys on the ground that it's a problem. It doesn't match my experiences in the US at all, which has me wondering if this is an area the Aussies have it worse than the other Anglo countries. I've ran into more along the lines of XPQ22's experiences:

(02-18-2016 07:41 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

I've been going out solo for the past couple months in the Boston/Providence area, I'm in my mid 30s. I almost never get shit from it from men or women. I actually can't remember a time a woman asked me directly where my friends were, and the few times it's come up with guys I just say I recently came to the area and am checking out the scene. They seem content with that.

The only time a guy really gave me stress over it was a young guy, maybe 21 or 22. He honestly couldn't believe that it was possible to just go out to a nightclub alone and hang. And it seemed like it was actually more of an "a ha!" moment for him than a serious problem.

I've made friends with the bartenders/bouncers/owners at some of the places I go to because I spend a fair amount of money and tip decently. When you show up like you own the place and the bouncer waves you past the line and the owner gives you a big smile and handshake once you're inside, people wonder what game you got going and not why you're out there alone.

This is how it usually goes. After my time new to the game and needing a group to even go out (much less approach), I made myself get used to going solo in DC, and I'm now that I'm living in FL without any local wings I go roll solo 95% of the time.

My experience is pretty much the same as yours, it's rare anyone cares or brings it up. I have my core bars and clubs I hit most weekends and being known by the staff at them helps me feel comfortable, but I make a point of trying at least one new place a week and it doesn't make a difference in how randoms react to me if the staff know me or not. The people I approach usually don't say a thing about my friends or group even after a long talk.

Once in a blue moon when I'm asked by a girl(s) where my friends are I still favor Roosh's classic "I have no friends" (gets a laugh and no further questions from them), though when it's a mixed group with guys and I'm taking the more social/friendly networking angle rather than picking up I'll break out the truthful "I'm new in town and meeting people". Both work.

Regardless, for anyone new to rolling solo, if you're constantly getting called out on it I suspect you're doing something to trigger it. If you appear uncomfortable or nervous being out by yourself then others might be picking up on it, so I'd look out for that before assuming the problem is the solo aspect.

[Durango]

Glad this thread was bumped. Was only aware of this gem, just adds to the legend of Little Dark.

[Merenguero]

(10-18-2014 10:26 AM)Little Dark Wrote:  

I was pissed off yesterday and just decided to up and head out solo. Have my mother calling me a weirdo, my brother says the same thing on the phone.

Arrive at the club, bouncers ask if I'm alone. I just say I'm meeting some friends plus I know one of the bouncers so no trouble. Throughout the night about 2-3 more folk ask who I'm here with and I just deflect it to a different topic. Maybe people just noticed because the place wasn't busy. No big deal.

Everyone who knows I went solo thinks it's weird. I think my country has some cultural issue, and think people who do shit alone are weird. I don't care, I like it.

This is my second time doing this and so far no bangs. I can makeout will girls no problem, but trying to get them home is the issue. I think the fact that I'm without a good wing makes this part harder, or maybe I just need more experience.


Anyway, my main point here is that there are haters out there who don't want you to do well, and will hate on you because they're too scared to just go to a club alone. Fuck it I'm still gonna do it!

And do you guys think I should just tell people I'm solo or just deflect it?

The guy went from his mom and brother calling him a weirdo and feeling insecure about going out alone to beating up thirty white knights in a club. We have some success stories on the forum, but this one belongs at the top of the list.

[Young T.R.]

I have had mostly positive reactions to being out alone. Mostly girls say, "wow, I wish I had the balls to do that!"

I just explain to them what I truly feel: If you go out with your friends, you probably aren't going to talk to any strangers. You're going to stand in a circle and talk to your friends all night. Or whatever. The night life is for mingling!

Going out alone is addictive. You never know where you will end up. I went out last Sunday by myself, I ended my night at a mansion party with girls wearing fur coats and shit. It was the biggest house I've seen in my life. It was surreal. I didn't fuck anyone but it was a cool ass night. Other nights I just talk to some cool people and go home. Sometimes I take a girl home and it feels better earned than any girl I fuck off of Tinder.

"Rolling solo" is not a handicap. I don't do it because I have to. It feels awesome to walk into a bar with nothing and build a social circle from the ground up within a few hours. If you're a guy that hates going out alone and you find yourself in a situation where you have to do it, try to find the excitement in it. If you give it an honest shot a few times, I promise you will get a taste for it.

I have girls that I could bring over to fuck, and a couple cool guys I could go out with, but tonight what I really want is to go out alone and explore the city.

[Ruivinho]

Its similar to guys that feel the need to go gym with a buddy/buddies..

You'll see them standing around judging and critiquing others. Its a serious case of insecurity.
I think once again, this is a cultural thing big in the Anglo-sphere.