[poledaddy]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/perk...gs-n225011

Quote:

Two Silicon Valley giants now offer women a game-changing perk: Apple and Facebook will pay for employees to freeze their eggs.

Facebook recently began covering egg freezing, and Apple will start in January, spokespeople for the companies told NBC News. The firms appear to be the first major employers to offer this coverage for non-medical reasons.

“Having a high-powered career and children is still a very hard thing to do,” said Brigitte Adams, an egg-freezing advocate and founder of the patient forum Eggsurance.com. By offering this benefit, companies are investing in women, she said, and supporting them in carving out the lives they want.

If there is one area of the economy that is going to grow in the coming years, it's gotta be "egg freezing". Within 5 years I predict it will be discrimination for ALL employers not to pay for this shit.

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

If there was any justice in Western society companies would offer paid month-long vacations for their male employees to EE, FSU or SEA so they can discover 1) how awesome foreign women are and 2) how shitty Western women are by comparison.

Not gonna hold my breath though.

[Dusty]

Don't these women see this is a Trojan horse? They're paying to freeze eggs so they will work more hours. So they will sacrifice their youth to sit in cubicle farms with grey fabric walls and a blinking fluorescent light overhead rather that realizing their humanity by being wives and mothers.

[DannyAlberta]

$10 to $20 k is extremely steep.

how long before obama care is changed such that policies will be mandated to cover such expensive care? and who will be expected to disproportionately contribute to this new "human right" of the female office drone?

if i'm a somewhat productive man at either of these companies, i'm getting out now before the rot hits.

[Parlay44]

(10-14-2014 02:10 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

Don't these women see this is a Trojan horse? They're paying to freeze eggs so they will work more hours. So they will sacrifice their youth to sit in cubicle farms with grey fabric walls and a blinking fluorescent light overhead rather that realizing their humanity by being wives and mothers.

I wonder if they cover uterus transplants

[Basil Ransom]

I wonder if this is grounds for a sex discrimination lawsuit. If a company offers benefits that can only be used by one sex, does that constitute discrimination? Would it pass muster if employee spouses can use the benefit as well? That would still leave single men, gay male couples and those who prefer to remain childless uncovered.

Also, to file such a lawsuit, you'd have to show damages - you'd have to be an employee. There may not be an employee willing to file such a suit.

In most industries, you could simply raise wages instead of offering the benefit, and capture a more male or nonreproductive workforce. That won't happen in modern Silicon Valley, because all the big tech firms are desperate to hire more women.

[Cheetah]

(10-14-2014 02:00 PM)rytech Wrote:  

If there was any justice in Western society companies would offer paid month-long vacations for their male employees to EE, FSU or SEA so they can discover 1) how awesome foreign women are and 2) how shitty Western women are by comparison.

Not gonna hold my breath though.

For some multi nationals there is some kind of justice, it's just called secondment. 1 year stint at the Moscow office anyone?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Seems like the next steps on the agenda.

As soon as the artificial incubators are there, women will not even bond with the children sufficiently. Step by step we are getting there.

[Dusty]

^^^

It's a brave new world.

[heavy]

Proposed thread title:

Employees of Facebook and Apple Now Paying for Female Employees to Freeze Eggs

I'm guessing Joe Blow in the finance department is under the same umbrella benefit structure (no opt-out for higher salary) as Ms Suzie Hitawall-Rideacock in HR

[Basil Ransom]

"As soon as the artificial incubators are there, women will not even bond with the children sufficiently. Step by step we are getting there."

We are already partly there, these incubators are called "nannies" and typically lack the ability to speak the mother's native tongue. All that remains is pre-natal separation from the "mother." Perhaps then the government will fund such incubation so women have no obstacle to becoming career drones for life.

"Employees of Facebook and Apple Now Paying for Female Employees to Freeze Eggs"

I'm not so sure that is correct. It's not at all evident that Jack is making less money because Jill gets money for eggs. Say both Jack and Jill provide $500k of value. But Jill will only work if she gets $250k in total compensation (which includes this egg benefit), while Jack will work for $200k. Paying Jill more doesn't reduce Jack's salary.

What this benefit DOES allow is systematic wage discrimination in favor of the people who would use this policy. For instance, it seems women get jaded about working long hard careers, so if you want to keep more of them you have to pay them more. And that may simply happen - women may earn more because they want to drop out while companies are desperate to keep them. Would be interesting to see if that would be considered discrimination.

[L M McCoy]

(10-14-2014 02:34 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

I wonder if this is grounds for a sex discrimination lawsuit. If a company offers benefits that can only be used by one sex, does that constitute discrimination? Would it pass muster if employee spouses can use the benefit as well? That would still leave single men, gay male couples and those who prefer to remain childless uncovered.

Also, to file such a lawsuit, you'd have to show damages - you'd have to be an employee. There may not be an employee willing to file such a suit.

In most industries, you could simply raise wages instead of offering the benefit, and capture a more male or nonreproductive workforce. That won't happen in modern Silicon Valley, because all the big tech firms are desperate to hire more women.

I doubt it or else that taxi only for women business would have been sued

[Days of Broken Arrows]

They left one thing out of their equation: men.

Very few men, I think, will wife up a woman knowing they're going to have kids by jerking off into a cup to fertilize her frozen eggs...especially when you have to tell your friends and parents about it at the wedding.

Consider: men have always been reluctant to be fathers. One of the reasons nature made sex so pleasurable was to sort of trick them into it. Remove this from the equation, and you sort of ruin the magic.

Older men won't want the responsibility and younger guys will be looking to younger women, not 40-year-olds.

And you can also forget about women staying unmarried and getting boyfriends to go for this. Taking the leap into space-age reproduction is a commitment you're lucky to get husbands to do, if you can even do that.

The final option is that the frozen egg crowd can go buy sperm. But that's actually pretty rare. And it also means the woman in question would become a "single mother by choice." That's a pretty drastic decision...and one that completely repels men. Most men can relate to accidental pregnancy (who hasn't almost been there?) -- but men can't relate to women who breed like something out of a dystopian novel.

I think this is a "Sex and the City" fantasy that women will go for and the media and corporations will cheer, but men will completely avoid. "Sex and the City," despite its title and subject, was like anti-Viagra to straight men. So is this.

[CRR]

(10-14-2014 02:10 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

Don't these women see this is a Trojan horse? They're paying to freeze eggs so they will work more hours. So they will sacrifice their youth to sit in cubicle farms with grey fabric walls and a blinking fluorescent light overhead rather that realizing their humanity by being wives and mothers.

True.

I'll add two points:

1) There is another good reason women have children in their 20s/early 30s at the latest, and that is because they have the energy and ability to handle it. I'm in my late 30s, and as a man it would be difficult to handle a newborn right now. For a woman? Much more difficult. Ask any woman who had kids after their early 30s, and if she's being honest, she'll tell you she wish she had them sooner.

2) I agree that this will spread because having a "high-powered" career will be interpreted by many women (especially feminists) as "having any fucking job period". For example, I know a woman (great person btw) who had kids in her late 30s, early 40s. Her and her husband both had actual high level jobs from early 30s on (both earning lots of $$$). She's now 50ish, has the ability to work part time, and can handle it all. In other words, they had actual reasons to delay, but I think this is the exception.

Problem will be that every part-time secretary on up will take this to mean "oh, I can just raise a kid when I'm 35 now", ignoring that it ain't so easy once you get older, and there is absolutely no reason for it, aside from the fact that many women simply overrate the importance of their job.

Even the women who can handle it financially and have the energy to do so face the most obvious problem, which is that many men simply don't want to have kids with 40 year old when they can with a 25 year old.

So about the women who say "so what, I'll raise a kid on my own!"? Yea, good luck with that being a fulfilling endeavor.

[Basil Ransom]

"Very few men, I think, will wife up a woman knowing they're going to have kids by jerking off into a cup to fertilize her frozen eggs...especially when you have to tell your friends and parents about it at the wedding."

Frankly, you're being delusional. The tech sector is full of men who are eager to please feminists and the like. Even that aside, people are very accepting of IVF, it's the natural outcome of late marriage. Really, no one gives a shit if you conceived via IVF. I know a couple that used it because they failed to conceive naturally despite being fairly young. No one frowned upon it, even in their conservative circle. If my future wife had issues with fertility and required IVF to conceive, it would not be a dealbreaker, so long as she is not old.

It only makes a difference when the man never wanted a child while the woman did, and now she can't force him to donate his sperm. Those couples were probably not very numerous anyhow.

[Princeton]

Do you think these women are actually going to defrost these eggs in a decade and start having babies? I don't. I see this more as a psychological tactic, giving women the feeling of having choices and being "empowered" and "having it all." As long as they know they have the *option* to have kids later on, they can calm their anxiety and get back to shuffling papers.

It reminds me of those companies that build survivalist apocalypse shelters. The product they're actually selling is ease of mind - the chance of it being used is infinitely small. Instead of putting those eggs on ice, these companies could probably chuck them and pocket the cash. When these women look up from their work in their mid forties I doubt they'll have the time, energy or inclination (or willing partner) to actually follow through with the IVF.

[DannyAlberta]

(10-14-2014 05:41 PM)Princeton Wrote:  

Do you think these women are actually going to defrost these eggs in a decade and start having babies? I don't. I see this more as a psychological tactic, giving women the feeling of having choices and being "empowered" and "having it all." As long as they know they have the *option* to have kids later on, they can calm their anxiety and get back to shuffling papers.

well said.

kick the can down the road and procrastinate making responsible, adult decisions as long as you possibly can. governments are doing it, so why can't female office drones?

[Dusty]

Also supply them with lots of psychiatric pharmaceuticals (soma) so they won't mind as much being in their grey walled cubicle at 8pm, shuffling papers, with that blinking fluorescent light over head. Numb them so they won't notice or won't care that they would be a lot happier being at home being a sweet and nurturing wife and mom. The feminist say those are evil thoughts that must be stricken from the mind.

Instead of 'Thank Ford' it's now 'Thank Zuckerburg.'

[Parlay44]

All women have to make a decision early on. Be mothers or be workers. It's an exclusive or. You can't have both despite what Cosmo says. In reality who cares. These aren't women you'd be with long term anyway. By not choosing marriage and motherhood in their fertile years they fall under the pump and dump category. The men have made that decision for you ladies ...and we stand firm.

[la_mode]

It will be interesting when this takes place. There's still lots of unanswered variables. Is any woman eligible to participate, even if working in the cafeteria or low-paying position? How long will they have to be employed there before eligible? What's the age limit? Will they have to pass a physical? Can a transgender claiming now "female" theoretically freeze his sperm and claim it under "female"? Does the company still keep the eggs when an employee quits or is fired?

Even two insufferable SJW-based companies like Apple or Facebook still have employee turnover.

[WalterBlack]

The more the company does for the employee, the more they own the employee. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

I remember one person saying to my ex-admin that it must be really cool to work at Google because of all of the free food you get whilst working there. My admin answered, “that cos they never want you to leave the office.”

[Brodiaga]

If it's just Facebook and Apple, no problem. Ignore Facebook, don't click on their ads and don't buy any Apple products. The problem is that this shit will probably spread. This money would be better spent to give everybody 1-2 extra weeks of vacation per year, but it's going to be spent on "strong independent women" because fuck you everybody else.

On the other hand, ever feel guilty about not working hard enough? Read this topic + a couple of articles from bitches complaining about the "gender pay gap" and the guilt will disappear.

[The Father]

(10-14-2014 02:10 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

Don't these women see this is a Trojan horse? They're paying to freeze eggs so they will work more hours. So they will sacrifice their youth to sit in cubicle farms with grey fabric walls and a blinking fluorescent light overhead rather that realizing their humanity by being wives and mothers.

Exactly. And to answer your question, NO, the women don't see it. Women are lemmings, mostly. If other women told them it was cool to walk around with a smelly dog turd on their head, most women would do it, just to fit in :/

[Basil Ransom]

Going on what Princeton said, it would be funny if there was an expiration date, after which the eggs belonged to the company, and then they'd sell them... Could be another profit center. They probably won't let the employees themselves sell them and perhaps even "transfer" them.

[horn]

The goal of the Firm is to make money.

If you are confused by a Firm's actions - see above.