[JayMillz]

http://theweek.com/article/index/268581/...ign-people

Man forbidden from flying U.S. flag on his balcony because it could 'offend foreign people'

Brad Smith, a student at San Diego State University and a tenant of Boulevard 63 Apartments, said apartment complex managers told him to remove the American flag he was displaying on his apartment's balcony because it "could offend foreign people."

Smith said that when he asked management about the notice he received ordering him to remove the flag, they reportedly told him "it was for political reasons and that the flag could offend foreign people that live here, foreign exchange students."

ABC News' investigation revealed that the rules of Smith's lease prohibit signs or other personal property from being kept outside the premises, and that management determines what is "permissible and acceptable."

But Smith asserts this is not the explanation he was given.

"This was never brought to my attention," Smith said. "I've had friends and family fight to defend that flag."

The apartment complex called the incident a "misunderstanding," and has since amended its rules to permit the display of state and country flags.

[JayMillz]

Somewhat related

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/school_la...hools.html

A Sharp Dissent Over a School's Curb on American Flag Shirts

Over the strong dissent of three judges, a full federal appeals court has declined to rehear a case brought by California high school students who were barred from wearing American flag apparel during a Cinco de Mayo celebration at their school.

The dissent said a ruling backing administrators "permits the will of the mob to rule our schools."

An administrator had prohibited the apparel, citing hostilities between white students and those of Mexican descent.

The case stems from the Cinco de Mayo celebration of Mexican heritage at Live Oak High School in the Morgan Hill Unified School District in 2010. The previous year's event had sparked a minor clash between white students and students of Mexican descent.

At the 2010 event, several white students wore American flag shirts to school, prompting talk among some students that the shirts were intended to provoke Mexican or Mexican-American students. An assistant principal told the white students they had to turn the American flag shirts inside out or go home. Two students and their parents sued, alleging their free speech rights were violated.

On Feb. 27, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, in San Francisco, upheld school officials, saying their actions were "tailored to avert violence and focused on student safety."

On Wednesday, the full 9th Circuit court, made up of 29 active judges, declined to re-examine the panel's decision.

Three judges dissented from the denial of rehearing in an opinion by U.S. Circuit Judge Diarmuid F. O'Scannlain. He said the school's actions amounted to support for a "heckler's veto"—when a speaker is silenced by the reaction of the audience.

"Rather than acting to protect the students who were peacefully expressing their views, Live Oak decided to suppress the speech of those students because other students might do them harm," O'Scannlain wrote.

The 9th Circuit panel's "blessing of that reaction, sends a clear message to public school students: by threatening violence against those with whom you disagree, you can enlist the power of the State to silence them," he added. "This perverse incentive created by the panel's opinion is precisely what the heckler's veto doctrine seeks to avoid."

O'Scannlain said a "vocal or violent band of students" might suppress shirts bearing the images of Che Guevara, Martin Luther King Jr., Pope Francis, or President Barack Obama.

He said the panel's decision clashed with student-speech rulings of other federal appeals courts.

Without saying it in so many words, the dissent from the denial of rehearing is likely aimed at the U.S. Supreme Court, meant to prompt the justices to take notice and perhaps take up the case.

The panel's original decision in Dariano v. Morgan Hill Unified School District is here, but an "amended" panel opinion was released Wednesday as part of the same document that includes O'Scannlain's dissent.

[SteveMcMahon]

(09-23-2014 09:07 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  

At the 2010 event, several white students wore American flag shirts to school, prompting talk among some students that the shirts were intended to provoke Mexican or Mexican-American students..

[TheWastelander]

So they move to a country, then get offended when its natives fly its flag?

They should be deported.

[HungWeiLo]

Deport them anyway. The left wing, PC, bullshit of no one should offend anybody fries my last nerves and I get intellectually irate when shit like the above posts happen. Only in America can someone who doesn't belong here, or someone who chooses to come here get upset and defended over our right (I prefer God given) to rejoice and take pride in our homeland. If they're so appalled by our symbols and way of life, I invite them to return from whence the came. Fucking PC beta bitch liberals. </rant>

[Old Fritz]

(09-23-2014 09:51 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

So they move to a country, then get offended when its natives fly its flag?

They should be deported.

Reminds me of the foreigners that come here and don't want to adapt to the culture or even try to speak the native language. Deport these people too.

[rekruler]

"The United States's problem is in the past tense. We are looking forward to the future generations."

[AntiTrace]

(09-23-2014 10:35 AM)HungWeiLo Wrote:  

Deport them anyway. The left wing, PC, bullshit of no one should offend anybody fries my last nerves and I get intellectually irate when shit like the above posts happen. Only in America can someone who doesn't belong here, or someone who chooses to come here get upset and defended over our right (I prefer God given) to rejoice and take pride in our homeland. If they're so appalled by our symbols and way of life, I invite them to return from whence the came. Fucking PC beta bitch liberals. </rant>

Very few of "them" get offended.

The people that get offended are the people drumming up these articles, complaints, and general third grade level drama. Some people are just completely out touch with reality, insanely bored in their lives, or simple in the business of being offended.

[FretDancer]

One of the things that would always catch my attention every time I went to USA when I was a kid was how many houses would have a US flag on their yard or somewhere outside the house. I really liked their sense of patriotism, it made me feel good to be in the US even for a few weeks.

What the hell happened?

[Candlejack]

Every Hollywood action movie displays the Stars and Stripes in a positive manner yet foreigners watch these in their foreign lands.

[Alpha_Romeo]

Irony, when the ideals that the flag represents--liberty and justice for all--really no longer exists.

[Monxp]

PC is taking the US flag as well. It's so weird that you're "not" allowed to be proud where you are from or where you live.

[Spectrumwalker]

Here in Peru on their Independence Day, July 28, it is a law that building and homeowners are to fly the Peruvian flag or face a fine of 60 Soles (20USD) from July 27th-30th. I wish my homeland would still have that kind of pride.

[TheWastelander]

(09-23-2014 12:41 PM)Monxp Wrote:  

PC is taking the US flag as well. It's so weird that you're "not" allowed to be proud where you are from or where you live.

It's nothing new. The real left hates whatever nation they're in until they gain power.

Check out the lyrics of the various versions of The Internationale.

[Sherman]

This seems much o' do about nothing. In the first article, there was a dispute about apartment regulations. No you can't hang a flag anywhere. In the second article, they were trying to prevent people from using American flag shirts to bully and provoke people. You think this would be a good thing. Ironically, in the 60s, yippies were arrested and prosecuted for wearing clothing made out of an American flag. Now the conservative right considers it a patriotic act. Duh.

".... Abbie was arrested before entering another because he wore an American flag shirt..."
http://badassdigest.com/2011/10/17/the-b...e-hoffman/

   

[TheWastelander]

(09-23-2014 01:05 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

This seems much o' do about nothing. In the first article, there was a dispute about apartment regulations. No you can't hang a flag anywhere. In the second article, they were trying to prevent people from using American flag shirts to bully and provoke people. You think this would be a good thing. Ironically, in the 60s, yippies were arrested and prosecuted for wearing clothing made out of an American flag. Now the conservative right considers it a patriotic act. Duh.

".... Abbie was arrested before entering another because he wore an American flag shirt..."
http://badassdigest.com/2011/10/17/the-b...e-hoffman/

I agree with your first point. Landlords can make their own rules about that kind of stuff.

Your second, however, is ridiculous. Whether a display is bullying or provoking is completely subjective. I'm sure a lot of students felt bullied or provoked by a bunch of insular-minded foreigners proudly displaying flags from their former country. Does that mean they should be banned from school? No.

Furthermore, how well do you think Mexicans would take it if a bunch of gringos moved down there, went to their schools, and shoved American patriotism in their face on the 4th of July?

I don't think they'd like it and I definitely wouldn't blame them.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

[MidWest]

(09-23-2014 09:07 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  

Somewhat related

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/school_la...hools.html

A Sharp Dissent Over a School's Curb on American Flag Shirts

Over the strong dissent of three judges, a full federal appeals court has declined to rehear a case brought by California high school students who were barred from wearing American flag apparel during a Cinco de Mayo celebration at their school.

The dissent said a ruling backing administrators "permits the will of the mob to rule our schools."

An administrator had prohibited the apparel, citing hostilities between white students and those of Mexican descent.

The case stems from the Cinco de Mayo celebration of Mexican heritage at Live Oak High School in the Morgan Hill Unified School District in 2010. The previous year's event had sparked a minor clash between white students and students of Mexican descent.

At the 2010 event, several white students wore American flag shirts to school, prompting talk among some students that the shirts were intended to provoke Mexican or Mexican-American students. An assistant principal told the white students they had to turn the American flag shirts inside out or go home. Two students and their parents sued, alleging their free speech rights were violated.

On Feb. 27, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, in San Francisco, upheld school officials, saying their actions were "tailored to avert violence and focused on student safety."

On Wednesday, the full 9th Circuit court, made up of 29 active judges, declined to re-examine the panel's decision.

Three judges dissented from the denial of rehearing in an opinion by U.S. Circuit Judge Diarmuid F. O'Scannlain. He said the school's actions amounted to support for a "heckler's veto"—when a speaker is silenced by the reaction of the audience.

"Rather than acting to protect the students who were peacefully expressing their views, Live Oak decided to suppress the speech of those students because other students might do them harm," O'Scannlain wrote.

The 9th Circuit panel's "blessing of that reaction, sends a clear message to public school students: by threatening violence against those with whom you disagree, you can enlist the power of the State to silence them," he added. "This perverse incentive created by the panel's opinion is precisely what the heckler's veto doctrine seeks to avoid."

O'Scannlain said a "vocal or violent band of students" might suppress shirts bearing the images of Che Guevara, Martin Luther King Jr., Pope Francis, or President Barack Obama.

He said the panel's decision clashed with student-speech rulings of other federal appeals courts.

Without saying it in so many words, the dissent from the denial of rehearing is likely aimed at the U.S. Supreme Court, meant to prompt the justices to take notice and perhaps take up the case.

The panel's original decision in Dariano v. Morgan Hill Unified School District is here, but an "amended" panel opinion was released Wednesday as part of the same document that includes O'Scannlain's dissent.

Is this the same story?

[AlreadyGone]

wowowow lol i remember seeing something about this all over the news earlier this year, might be the same case?

I see all sorts of flags outside of peoples apartments, and I don't get butthurt over them. Sounds like a personal problem to me.

[Sherman]

(09-23-2014 01:21 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 01:05 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

This seems much o' do about nothing. In the first article, there was a dispute about apartment regulations. No you can't hang a flag anywhere. In the second article, they were trying to prevent people from using American flag shirts to bully and provoke people. You think this would be a good thing. Ironically, in the 60s, yippies were arrested and prosecuted for wearing clothing made out of an American flag. Now the conservative right considers it a patriotic act. Duh.

".... Abbie was arrested before entering another because he wore an American flag shirt..."
http://badassdigest.com/2011/10/17/the-b...e-hoffman/

I agree with your first point. Landlords can make their own rules about that kind of stuff.

Your second, however, is ridiculous. Whether a display is bullying or provoking is completely subjective. I'm sure a lot of students felt bullied or provoked by a bunch of insular-minded foreigners proudly displaying flags from their former country. Does that mean they should be banned from school? No.

Furthermore, how well do you think Mexicans would take it if a bunch of gringos moved down there, went to their schools, and shoved American patriotism in their face on the 4th of July?

I don't think they'd like it and I definitely wouldn't blame them.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Cinco de Mayo is more of an American Holiday celebrated by Mexican-Americans. In Mexico, they celebrate September 16. So you are objecting to Americans carrying out what is basically an American tradition (not Mexican).

[Faust]

"So they move to a country, then get offended when its natives fly its flag?

They should be deported."

I don't think you can pin this on the immigrants. Note that no actual foreigner said he was offended, which is something we've seen before in other places. It's overzealous administrators and bureaucrats (who are usually white) who are super-worried that somebody "might" be offended. No actual offense is required. I doubt any of the immigrants in the complex care.

[MidWest]

(09-23-2014 01:36 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 01:21 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 01:05 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

This seems much o' do about nothing. In the first article, there was a dispute about apartment regulations. No you can't hang a flag anywhere. In the second article, they were trying to prevent people from using American flag shirts to bully and provoke people. You think this would be a good thing. Ironically, in the 60s, yippies were arrested and prosecuted for wearing clothing made out of an American flag. Now the conservative right considers it a patriotic act. Duh.

".... Abbie was arrested before entering another because he wore an American flag shirt..."
http://badassdigest.com/2011/10/17/the-b...e-hoffman/

I agree with your first point. Landlords can make their own rules about that kind of stuff.

Your second, however, is ridiculous. Whether a display is bullying or provoking is completely subjective. I'm sure a lot of students felt bullied or provoked by a bunch of insular-minded foreigners proudly displaying flags from their former country. Does that mean they should be banned from school? No.

Furthermore, how well do you think Mexicans would take it if a bunch of gringos moved down there, went to their schools, and shoved American patriotism in their face on the 4th of July?

I don't think they'd like it and I definitely wouldn't blame them.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Cinco de Mayo is more of an American Holiday celebrated by Mexican-Americans. In Mexico, they celebrate September 16. So you are objecting to Americans carrying out what is basically an American tradition (not Mexican).

Yeah I was going to say that also. Cinco de Mayo is an American holiday. Mexicans in Mexico call it a "gringo" thing and in no way celebrate it.

[TheSlayer]

(09-23-2014 01:37 PM)Faust Wrote:  

"So they move to a country, then get offended when its natives fly its flag?

They should be deported."

I don't think you can pin this on the immigrants. Note that no actual foreigner said he was offended, which is something we've seen before in other places. It's overzealous administrators and bureaucrats (who are usually white) who are super-worried that somebody "might" be offended. No actual offense is required. I doubt any of the immigrants in the complex care.

The same thing happened in Canada a few years ago. A white judge banned Christmas trees from the courtroom because she said it would offend minorities but no one had actually complained.

[TheWastelander]

(09-23-2014 01:37 PM)Faust Wrote:  

"So they move to a country, then get offended when its natives fly its flag?

They should be deported."

I don't think you can pin this on the immigrants. Note that no actual foreigner said he was offended, which is something we've seen before in other places. It's overzealous administrators and bureaucrats (who are usually white) who are super-worried that somebody "might" be offended. No actual offense is required. I doubt any of the immigrants in the complex care.

Watch the video linked in MidWest's post. It's about the school incident, not the apartment complex one.

[TheWastelander]

(09-23-2014 01:36 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 01:21 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 01:05 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

This seems much o' do about nothing. In the first article, there was a dispute about apartment regulations. No you can't hang a flag anywhere. In the second article, they were trying to prevent people from using American flag shirts to bully and provoke people. You think this would be a good thing. Ironically, in the 60s, yippies were arrested and prosecuted for wearing clothing made out of an American flag. Now the conservative right considers it a patriotic act. Duh.

".... Abbie was arrested before entering another because he wore an American flag shirt..."
http://badassdigest.com/2011/10/17/the-b...e-hoffman/

I agree with your first point. Landlords can make their own rules about that kind of stuff.

Your second, however, is ridiculous. Whether a display is bullying or provoking is completely subjective. I'm sure a lot of students felt bullied or provoked by a bunch of insular-minded foreigners proudly displaying flags from their former country. Does that mean they should be banned from school? No.

Furthermore, how well do you think Mexicans would take it if a bunch of gringos moved down there, went to their schools, and shoved American patriotism in their face on the 4th of July?

I don't think they'd like it and I definitely wouldn't blame them.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Cinco de Mayo is more of an American Holiday celebrated by Mexican-Americans. In Mexico, they celebrate September 16. So you are objecting to Americans carrying out what is basically an American tradition (not Mexican).

If it's more of an American holiday then why did anyone take offense to them wearing American flags?

[Sherman]

(09-23-2014 01:47 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 01:36 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 01:21 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 01:05 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

This seems much o' do about nothing. In the first article, there was a dispute about apartment regulations. No you can't hang a flag anywhere. In the second article, they were trying to prevent people from using American flag shirts to bully and provoke people. You think this would be a good thing. Ironically, in the 60s, yippies were arrested and prosecuted for wearing clothing made out of an American flag. Now the conservative right considers it a patriotic act. Duh.

".... Abbie was arrested before entering another because he wore an American flag shirt..."
http://badassdigest.com/2011/10/17/the-b...e-hoffman/

I agree with your first point. Landlords can make their own rules about that kind of stuff.

Your second, however, is ridiculous. Whether a display is bullying or provoking is completely subjective. I'm sure a lot of students felt bullied or provoked by a bunch of insular-minded foreigners proudly displaying flags from their former country. Does that mean they should be banned from school? No.

Furthermore, how well do you think Mexicans would take it if a bunch of gringos moved down there, went to their schools, and shoved American patriotism in their face on the 4th of July?

I don't think they'd like it and I definitely wouldn't blame them.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Cinco de Mayo is more of an American Holiday celebrated by Mexican-Americans. In Mexico, they celebrate September 16. So you are objecting to Americans carrying out what is basically an American tradition (not Mexican).

If it's more of an American holiday then why did anyone take offense to them wearing American flags?

I don't know. This is an American thing. I live in Mexico where people tend to be respectful.