[Wutang]

http://yiannopoulos.net/2014/08/15/trans...t-surgery/

"There are people who believe their own limbs don’t belong to them. They suffer from something called body integrity identity disorder, which is rare, and generally affects white middle-aged men. (No one knows why.) Doctors, understandably, tend not to hack off the offending limbs to make reality concord with fantasy."

"So why, in the case of another, related and very high-profile disease, suffers of which believe they were born with the wrong sex organs, do we, rather than treating the disorder with medication and therapy, instead go about warping reality to conform to delusion? Partly that’s because we’re generally nice people, and we don’t like to deny someone who is clearly suffering, who has asked for something they think will help them and which does not directly affect other people."

[TheFinalEpic]

It's ridiculously true. A person born a male is meant to be a male, and has a psychological disorder if he thinks he is meant to be otherwise. Transgenderism is a disorder, not a norm, why does everyone want to be so accepting of the oddity in today's society .

[iknowexactly]

Why does anyone cooperate with their desire to live as the opposite sex ?

Probably because some of them report feeling happier living in the role of the opposite sex.

So if someone doesn't like these "helpers" doing that, maybe they should go tell the doctors, surgeons etc. that they should stop doing what they're doing.

You know, sort of "set them straight" so to speak.

[berserk]

(09-17-2014 04:50 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

generally affects white middle-aged men

In reality though, it affects Asian and Latin young men in tropical climates at far higher rates.

[dicknixon72]

Might as well surgically graft children who want to be fire trucks and police cars to motor vehicles while we're at it.

[Moma]

(09-17-2014 05:39 PM)dicknixon72 Wrote:  

Might as well surgically graft children who want to be fire trucks and police cars to motor vehicles while we're at it.

True, true! When I was younger, I wanted to be a Decepticon. I love that 'eeeahahaach' sound when they transformed!


On a serious note, I think all this tran acceptance is a method to keep the population at bay..a form of culling.

If you look at what society accepts nowadays, it's absolute nonsense. Being a freak is the norm and now normalcy is an anomaly.

[JJ Roberts]

(09-17-2014 05:11 PM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  

It's ridiculously true. A person born a male is meant to be a male, and has a psychological disorder if he thinks he is meant to be otherwise. Transgenderism is a disorder, not a norm, why does everyone want to be so accepting of the oddity in today's society .

Well pretty much everyone confuses gametes and gender, that does not really help.

Gametes are pretty binary in nature, gender, not so (after all we all know some guys who are effeminate (not all of whom are gay) and some girls who are pretty masculine).

[infowarrior1]

(09-17-2014 07:35 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 05:11 PM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  

It's ridiculously true. A person born a male is meant to be a male, and has a psychological disorder if he thinks he is meant to be otherwise. Transgenderism is a disorder, not a norm, why does everyone want to be so accepting of the oddity in today's society .

Well pretty much everyone confuses gametes and gender, that does not really help.

Gametes are pretty binary in nature, gender, not so (after all we all know some guys who are effeminate (not all of whom are gay) and some girls who are pretty masculine).

Ever since we used ''gender'' in place of ''sex'' we brought into the frame of sex being fluid and non-binary making this phenomenon is possible.

[TheFinalEpic]

Not to get into biology and such but if you are born with an X and a Y chromosome, then you are male. There are instances of people being born with extra chromosomes but these are significant outliers. When we talk about trans-gendered people, we talk about people that are generally of the one gender or the other. There is a psychological issue that is similar to what the OP quoted, and I do agree that this condition should be treated with medication and/or therapy, not just by mutilating genitals.

[Sonsowey]

I have known many people who have gone through, in rapid succession, a series of different sexual identities. I would say that these people just have sever identity issues, and are cycling through ever available option.

I knew people who in high school were "straight", then came out as "homosexual". Upon reaching college, they came out as "trans" and then finally camebout as "homosexual trans".

So a girl, in highschool first dated guys, then girls. Then she switched into calling herself a straight guy, who dated girls, then finally, a gay guy, who dated guys! All that change to just be banging guys again! However, many of these people would end up dating people like themselves, so I knew two "trans guys" who identified as gay, but were biologically female, and dated each other.

Two people with vaginas each identifying as gay men and dating each other. What kinda gay guy eats pussy?

Clearly these people are way beyond labels of gay, straight, trans, whatever, they are just all over the board and can not settle on who they are.

[TheFinalEpic]

(09-17-2014 08:21 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

I have known many people who have gone through, in rapid succession, a series of different sexual identities. I would say that these people just have sever identity issues, and are cycling through ever available option.

I knew people who in high school were "straight", then came out as "homosexual". Upon reaching college, they came out as "trans" and then finally camebout as "homosexual trans".

So a girl, in highschool first dated guys, then girls. Then she switched into calling herself a straight guy, who dated girls, then finally, a gay guy, who dated guys! All that change to just be banging guys again! However, many of these people would end up dating people like themselves, so I knew two "trans guys" who identified as gay, but were biologically female, and dated each other.

Two people with vaginas each identifying as gay men and dating each other. What kinda gay guy eats pussy?

Clearly these people are way beyond labels of gay, straight, trans, whatever, they are just all over the board and can not settle on who they are.

You just hurt my brain.

[TigerMandingo]

This guy Milo Yiannopoulos apparently regularly trolls feminists and their ilk. Some of the stuff from his repertoire:

Quote:

Controversy followed his appearance at the TechCrunch Europe GeeknRolla conference in 2009, during which he was criticised for remarks described as "men and women are different, men are better at tech, deal with it" by another participant in the conversation.

Quote:

On 18 July 2012, Yiannopoulos had a public argument on Twitter with Zoe Margolis, author of Girl with a One-Track Mind. He commented: "We write about how tech is changing the world around us. You write about how many cocks you've sucked this week. Back off." and later added: "Is there a difference between writing about sex for money and having sex for money? Not really. What a grubby, humiliating way to make rent."

[JJ Roberts]

(09-17-2014 08:08 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

Ever since we used ''gender'' in place of ''sex'' we brought into the frame of sex being fluid and non-binary making this phenomenon is possible.

And of course sex IS fluid and non-binary (gametes less so).

Sex was invented by nature as a way of providing adaptive fluidity

Why people would think that a system of adaptive fluidity would not be fluid (and would be binary) is quite bizarre.

[JJ Roberts]

(09-17-2014 08:14 PM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  

Not to get into biology and such but if you are born with an X and a Y chromosome, then you are male.

That's one way of looking at it.

Another way of looking at it is to say you have been designated as a producer of small gametes (sperm) and not large gametes (eggs).

Producers of small gametes, by nature, can exhibit different levels of masculinity or femininity.

Producers of large gametes, by nature, can exhibit different levels of masculinity or femininity.

It's not that complicated.

[Sonsowey]

JJ is right, obviously.

XY chromosome = male
XX chromosome = female

We see all around us, your chromosomes and our conceptions of "masculinity" and "femininity" often do not line up perfectly. The very fact that the sons and daughters of straight, "heteronormative" couples can go on to have such wildly deviant sexual lives shows, to me, just how big a part culture is of how our sexuality is expressed.

If you took 100 sets of identical twins, and raised 100 of them in Manhattan and 100 of them in Riyadh, I think you'd see quite clearly just how much sexuality is affected by culture.

People asking for traditional gender roles, masculine men and feminine women, are asking for a cultural change. Obviously, the people I described above were both XX individuals, yet they did all this wild stuff re: their sexual identity.

And hell, at any point in their lives they could fuck a guy or get A.I. and reproduce their freaky ways. And they would win at evolution.

[Sonsowey]

However it is shocking that it's quickly become so accepted that doctors should do these science-fiction type surgeries to change people's genitals without most people batting an eye.

"First, do no harm" should be the first principle of doctors, yet they'll castrate people?

I hope one day they look back on this as a barbaric practice that has long-since been relegated to the annals of history.

[CRR]

Quote:

18 July 2012, Yiannopoulos had a public argument on Twitter with Zoe Margolis, author of Girl with a One-Track Mind. He commented: "We write about how tech is changing the world around us. You write about how many cocks you've sucked this week. Back off." and later added: "Is there a difference between writing about sex for money and having sex for money? Not really. What a grubby, humiliating way to make rent."

Outstanding. That is the type of smack down one hopes to think of hours after getting into an argument with someone.

Regarding the subject, this is the strongest point:

Quote:

How we approach transgenderism matters because we are betraying its victims. Johns Hopkins University, which pioneered “transition” surgery, no longer performs sex changes. They’ve got enough data now to know that patients who undergo transitions often end up dead: tragically, a huge proportion commit suicide after having the surgery. Cutting off their sex organs does not bring them the peace they were looking for. Of course it doesn’t: it’s a manoeuvre to quiet the symptoms, not a cure.

[Jaydublin]

Personally, I think some of these people probably are born into the wrong body. If we have hemaphrodites then why wouldnt we have people born into the wrong sex?

My issue is that there are way too fucking many of them to make sense. All these trannies running around Asia and South America were not born into the wrong body... What BS.

[CactusCat589]

I don't want trans people to get therapy. I want them to go away. Just walk right into the ocean and hang out with Aquaman.

Hermaphrodites seem to mind their own business and are appropriately aware of their disfigurement, and don't try to force the normalization of their freakish condition on the rest of society.

[infowarrior1]

(09-17-2014 10:05 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 08:08 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

Ever since we used ''gender'' in place of ''sex'' we brought into the frame of sex being fluid and non-binary making this phenomenon is possible.

And of course sex IS fluid and non-binary (gametes less so).

Sex was invented by nature as a way of providing adaptive fluidity

Why people would think that a system of adaptive fluidity would not be fluid (and would be binary) is quite bizarre.

Explain. What scientific papers say that?

[L M McCoy]

I remember a couple years back, every lizard claimed to be BI. I blame the guys who kept on going crazy every time two girls kissed.

Seriously, this is all a form of attention whoring and we as a society need to start ignoring them like we do with the damn emo's.

, aliens, nuclear warfare, robots, natural disaster, god, satan, other religious world ending doctrines.

^^^^^none of those will cause the end of mankind. Attention whoring will however, bring on "the end of days" and mankind will cease to exist.

We humans are so intelligent yet, something as stupid as attention whoring will be our downfall.

Science save us!

[Dalaran1991]

Because there s a shit ton of money in trans surgery. Not to mention there s not a small population of sick fuckers who like to bang trans. Think Thailand.

Also there s an industry that women monopolizes: prostitution. So I guess if you are sick of being a man and dealing with harsh lives you can just get surgery to become pretty tran, the go whore yourself off and reap the cash.

Not much money in just chopping off people's limb.

It actually has little to do with gay/trans acceptance. Feminism and leftists ironically are just helping the rich capitalists to make even more $

[bojangles]

I'm liking Milos' site haha, those comments fucking hell!

[Bad Hussar]

Absolutely agree with the OP. How do people who support gender "reassignment" surgery square this belief with the near 100% likelihood that they also denounce female circumcision (correctly) and also usually male circumcision (not convinced)? You have to have some pretty strange and dishonest mental processes to do this.

I sympathise with "transsexuals" since they are mentally pretty messed up. And much more than 50% of the "reason" they are messed up has nothing to do with societal reactions to them, but due to biological and mental issues unique to them. Probably encoded in their biology and largely unchangeable, even with therapy. But why do they need surgery? Why can't they just dress in the opposite gender's clothes, socialise at appropriate clubs and live their lives?

I truly believe that almost all surgeons who do this surgery should be prosecuted for assault, or face similar charges. It's one thing to be mentally ill and seek to harm yourself. It's another thing to be a supposedly responsible and sane member of society, like a surgeon, and indulge people's self harm fantasies.

[UroboricForms]

I'm gonna be open here. I'm a "pretty boy". Vaguely effeminate, androgynous looking. During my late teens I spent some time questioning my identity in this manner. When you look like I do, and when you're confused, it becomes frighteningly easy to feel "wrong" in your own skin. This of course, was when I was still bluer than the bluest sapphire gem.

We live in a society of enablers, as you know. It would have been incredibly easy for me to go "hmm, this doesn't feel right, think I'll start wearing a dress and saying I'm really a chick". Everyone around me (my friends, at least, family probably not) would have given me their full support and helped me along the way. The correct solution, obviously, is to reaffirm my masculine identity. I may be a pretty boy but I am still a boy, and I was able to recognize that in due time. I shudder to think where/what the hell I would be now had I allowed myself to follow through on that period of confusion.

Now, I wonder....how many transsexuals started off the same way I did, but were either enabled or stubbornly pursued that avenue to its conclusion? What if, ten years from now, one of them goes..."I've made a huge mistake?". I can bet that'd be pretty damn funny to watch.

Oh, and as someone who used to be good friends with one of these? Yeah. FUCKED in the head. Fully.