[Travesty]

Source: A decade of mediocre game years in OC.

Doesn't matter where you go:

Laguna Beach? Newport Penninsula? Huntington Main St.? Downtown Fullerton? Downtown Orange? Downtown Santa Ana? Costa Mesa Triangle Square, The Lab, The Camp?

All spread out as fuck (DUIs) all cliquey as fuck. Day game is not much better. A fishbowl is everything there.

Online game is decent I will admit, still spread out which sucks for logistics.

I have the same passion for critiquing OC as Gmanifesto had for L.A..

I could write a milelong datasheet about OC, but it is like India. Just don't go (been there).

[kaotic]

(08-21-2014 04:04 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Source: A decade of mediocre game years in OC.

Doesn't matter where you go:

Laguna Beach? Newport Penninsula? Huntington Main St.? Downtown Fullerton? Downtown Orange? Downtown Santa Ana? Costa Mesa Triangle Square, The Lab, The Camp?

All spread out as fuck (DUIs) all cliquey as fuck. Day game is not much better. A fishbowl is everything there.

Online game is decent I will admit, still spread out which sucks for logistics.

I have the same passion for critiquing OC as Gmanifesto had for L.A..

I could write a milelong datasheet about OC, but it is like India. Just don't go (been there).

Hahah I'd love to join you on that datasheet ! Yup DUI's are pretty common. Tinder Game is off the hook for me in OC/Riverside. But it's like a small town or large city, it's just suburbanfucksville spread out over an entire county.

[Basil Ransom]

"I love California, it's an incredibly beautiful state, but it's a shame what the state politicians and bureaucrats have let it become."

Nah this is bullshit. California's slow demise is the precise result of the people in it. It can't be laid at the feet of distant politicians.

The causes for California's decline are often simple. For instance, virtually every problem mentioned here and elsewhere is created or worsened by mass, unskilled immigration. Traffic, water, welfare, taxes, urban blight, quality of life... But you will never hear any Californian finger mass immigration as a factor aside from the kind of people who listen to Rush Limbaugh. Being liberal here means maintaining a studied ignorance to the negative consequences of your favored policies. The health board recently passed a law requiring that food workers always have their hands covered, until they were thankfully bitch slapped. Go tell a master sushi chef to wear latex while preparing $200 platters of sashimi. You tell Californians about something like that, and all they can do is just feebly accept it, that bureaucrats must be right on some level, best not to get mad and question things.

There are lots of other little causes, like selfish yuppies preventing new housing supply from being built, city codes that stymie good urban development, public unions that abuse the taxpayers - Arnie tried to castrate them but the good voters of California cockblocked him. The politicians of California are blameless by comparison, they're just acting out the idiotic wills of the mindless liberal yuppies who run the place. Stupid sex discrimination laws ensure nightlife is either a cockfest, impossibly exclusive, expensive or all three as compared to Vegas.

You mention any of this to Californians, like say to my father who is otherwise a smart man, and their eyes will glaze over in confusion - they will want to disagree but they don't know the first place to start, and will just sputter inchoately.

I look around at young people here, and it's rare that you'll meet someone who grew up middle or upper middle class who will live as well as their parents did. It's simply not an option with housing costs being as they are.

[kaotic]

(08-21-2014 04:22 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

"I love California, it's an incredibly beautiful state, but it's a shame what the state politicians and bureaucrats have let it become."

Nah this is bullshit. California's slow demise is the precise result of the people in it. It can't be laid at the feet of distant politicians.

The causes for California's decline are often simple. For instance, virtually every problem mentioned here and elsewhere is created or worsened by mass, unskilled immigration. Traffic, water, welfare, taxes, urban blight, quality of life... But you will never hear any Californian finger mass immigration as a factor aside from the kind of people who listen to Rush Limbaugh. Being liberal here means maintaining a studied ignorance to the negative consequences of your favored policies. The health board recently passed a law requiring that food workers always have their hands covered, until they were thankfully bitch slapped. Go tell a master sushi chef to wear latex while preparing $200 platters of sashimi. You tell Californians about something like that, and all they can do is just feebly accept it, that bureaucrats must be right on some level, best not to get mad and question things.

There are lots of other little causes, like selfish yuppies preventing new housing supply from being built, city codes that stymie good urban development, public unions that abuse the taxpayers - Arnie tried to castrate them but the good voters of California cockblocked him. The politicians of California are blameless by comparison, they're just acting out the idiotic wills of the mindless liberal yuppies who run the place. Stupid sex discrimination laws ensure nightlife is either a cockfest, impossibly exclusive, expensive or all three as compared to Vegas.

You mention any of this to Californians, like say to my father who is otherwise a smart man, and their eyes will glaze over in confusion - they will want to disagree but they don't know the first place to start, and will just sputter inchoately.

I look around at young people here, and it's rare that you'll meet someone who grew up middle or upper middle class who will live as well as their parents did. It's simply not an option with housing costs being as they are.

Oh it's a self inflicted wound alright, banning plastic bags, clean energy solar frying birds, increased sales taxes, public unions are THE BIGGEST LEECH on our system in this nanny/welfare state. Illegal immigration has taken it's toll. The retarded tax payers wanted to pay for a "high speed rail" that would of never even reached the speed voted on. The plastic gloves are hilarious along with the reusable shopping bags. People wonder why there is an exodus of business leaving the state.

[Travesty]

I am already planning my evac plan to NYC, Chicago, Vegas, Dallas, or maybe if I really get my act together abroad once I age out of Santa Barbara in the next 3 or 4 years.

I thought about San Diego, my gut tells me to go elsewhere. After living in SB I could never go somewhere like the Bay Area. The pussy decline on top of my aging would bury me lol.

LA is just like an upgraded OC imo. Still spread out, expensive, traffic, and has less cliques in some ways and more in others.

I think L.A. would be great at 40+ if you have some coin an do online dating, yoga game, daygame with 30+ chicks. I'd bet the 30+ talent in SoCal is better than NY. Has to be the best in the country other than maybe Miami Latinas. Less city stress all year weather to be active outdoors. Pre 30 for chicks access in NY seems much easier.

[Cattle Rustler]

(08-21-2014 11:11 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

One thing coastal CA has going for it if you are an older guy I bet it is the largest concentration of 30+ divorcee or never married chicks that are into yoga, Whole Foods, and are very bangable with diversity thrown in to boot in the US by a landslide.

I think I found my new home, MILF-town.

(08-21-2014 11:41 AM)xpatplayer Wrote:  

Parts of California will go to s*** while others will stay beautiful. I cannot imagine any of the rich suburbs or rich beach towns becoming dystopian in the foreseeable future. But you will see middle-class and poor neighborhoods go into disarray.

I've lived in boring places too long. Lets be honest, Texas isn't nearly as fun as New York City or SoCal, and given enough money, I would certainly move to those places. Interesting places tend to have much more leftist governments, but that's never a problem so long as you have the cash and social savvy.

Honestly, would you rather live with boring old people in a rich Houston/ Dallas suburb and pay less income tax or live with interesting people in Manhattan/ any affluent SoCal neighborhood?

Life isn't all about making a political statement.

Damn right, people like to rave about texas but that's because they don't live here. Other than malls, Dallas doesn't have much.....Houston is the same but with shittier weather. Midland? You'll die of boredom.

Traffic everywhere in Texas and absolutely nothing to do, hardly any decent museums or attractions. Gotta get a BMW, place in uptown, and whatnot to compete with the bimbos.

Austin is cool though.

(08-21-2014 01:38 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 12:27 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

The South? Full of ignorant religious assholes.

I'll take the Jesus freaks who have been limited by law as to what they can actually do over the nutso progs and their totalitarian religious bullshit any day.

They're not that different, on different sides of the spectrum but same pieces of shit.

Live with a Jesus freak and the yuppies become okay.

[Tex Pro]

(08-21-2014 04:36 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I am already planning my evac plan to NYC, Chicago, Vegas, Dallas, or maybe if I really get my act together abroad once I age out of Santa Barbara in the next 3 or 4 years.

I thought about San Diego, my gut tells me to go elsewhere. After living in SB I could never go somewhere like the Bay Area. The pussy decline on top of my aging would bury me lol.

LA is just like an upgraded OC imo. Still spread out, expensive, traffic, and has less cliques in some ways and more in others.

If I remember correctly, you are in the tech industry, right?

If so, then you should probably consider Denver or Austin. They both have tech hubs where you could probably find a job easily and both are cheaper cities than the ones you mentioned above.

P.S. Not a big fan of Texas other than the Austin area (Travis County). I have lived in both Houston and Dallas and both cities are kind of boring in their own ways. Really, Texas is only an option (outside of Austin) if you are looking to settle down and raise a family.

[Travesty]

@CR

You're making me bitter on Dallas, but I will have to visit. I love that accent and the southern sorority debutant style. I am a tall white guy, loved every Texan I've ever met. Dated a Dallas sororistute type before, loved it, favorite mini-relationship so far. Couldn't it work for me?

Lived in Denver atrocious for game. GREAT for raising a family.

Austin - too many dudes medium to mediocre game opportunities. I will visit soon to find out myself.

Stepping down from SB to anywhere that doesn't have supreme logisitics and hot accessible ass won't cut it.

NYC and Chicago have huge tech scenes.

I am looking to go entrepreneurial anyways. Hopefully before I leave SB.

[Tex Pro]

Good to hear. Only problem is NYC is expensive as fuck. Don't know much about Chicago. Not much info about the place on this forum.

If you are going entrepreneurial, then you probably want a big city.

I think it is good for you to visit Austin first. Some people love it, some people hate it. Really depends on if you like the vibe there.

[Cattle Rustler]

(08-21-2014 04:55 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

Good to hear. Only problem is NYC is expensive as fuck. Don't know much about Chicago. Not much info about the place on this forum.

If you are going entrepreneurial, then you probably want a big city.

I think it is good for you to visit Austin first. Some people love it, some people hate it. Really depends on if you like the vibe there.

Zilker Park, biking trails, tubing on the river, food trucks, fast/cheap AND reliable internet, UT (numbers game), whole foods, 4 hours from everywhere (Htown, Dallas, Midland).......the city has it all.

Oh, Formula 1, Austin City Limits, SXSW, and other shit too like San Marco's Malls.

The only thing that sucks are housing costs.

[Travesty]

Lived in Chicago as well and visited recently.

Great down to earth people. Good logistics. Tons of down to earth white 20s mid 6s to mid 7. Good cost of living. Lots of short sweet blondes which I love.

I think before 40 I'd rather be in Chicago than NYC for costs. After 40 if I am in the game still I hope to God I am abroad or location independent!

I'll be visiting a friend in Austin within the next year, I will try to get out to Dallas on that trip. To see what's what.

[Jack198]

(08-21-2014 12:30 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

None of the whining posts here could possibly be visible without stuff engineered in California. We are the biggest state economy in the country.
So armchair critics, go ahead and do better.

I sat in a restaurant next to one of the professors who invented UNIX.
UNIX, without which the internet could not have evolved to its present state in anything like the time it has, was invented here.

We register more patents than any other state. Just come on out and try to compete with our big California brains.



Here are the companies with tons of people smarter than us. List of tech companies not necessarily headquartered in, but have offices in Silicon Valley. Doesn't even count Genentech.

Adobe Systems Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Agilent Technologies Apple Inc. Applied Materials Brocade Communications Systems Cisco Systems eBay Electronic Arts Facebook Google Pixar Hewlett-Packard Intel Intuit Juniper Networks KLA Tencor LSI Logic Marvell Semiconductors Maxim Integrated Products National Semiconductor NetApp Netflix Nvidia Oracle Corporation Salesforce.com SanDisk Sanmina-SCI Symantec Western Digital Corporation Xilinx Yahoo! Additional notable companies headquartered (or with a significant presence) in Silicon Valley include (some defunct or subsumed): 3Com (acquired by HP) Actel Actuate Corporation Adaptec Aeria Games and Entertainment Akamai Technologies (HQ in Cambridge, Massachusetts) Altera Amazon.com's A9.com Amazon.com's Lab126.com Amdahl Apple Aricent Asus Atari Atmel Broadcom (headquartered in Irvine, California) BEA Systems (acquired by Oracle Corporation) Cypress Semiconductor Dell (headquartered in Round Rock, Texas) EMC Corporation (headquartered in Hopkinton, Massachusetts) Extreme Networks E*TRADE (headquartered in New York, NY) Fairchild Semiconductor Foundry Networks Fujitsu (headquartered in Tokyo, Japan) Groupon (headquartered in Chicago, IL) Hitachi Data Systems Hitachi Global Storage Technologies IBM Almaden Research Center (headquartered in Armonk, New York) IDEO Informatica Intuitive Surgical Kerio Technologies LinkedIn Logitech Maxtor (acquired by Seagate) McAfee (acquired by Intel) Memorex (acquired by Imation and moved to Cerritos, California) Micron Technology (headquartered in Boise, Idaho) Microsoft (headquartered in Redmond, Washington) Mozilla Foundation Move, Inc. Nokia (headquartered in Espoo, Finland) Nokia Solutions and Networks (headquartered in Espoo, Finland) NXP Semiconductors Nook (subsidiary of Barnes & Noble) Olivetti (headquartered in Ivrea, Italy) Opera Software (headquartered in Oslo, Norway) OPPO Palm, Inc. (acquired by HP) Panasonic (headquartered in Osaka, Japan) PayPal (now part of eBay) Philips Lumileds Lighting Company Playdom PlayPhone Qualcomm, Inc. (HQ in San Diego, CA) Quanta Computer Quantcast Quora Rambus RSA (acquired by EMC) Samsung Electronics (headquartered in Suwon, Korea) SAP AG (headquartered in Walldorf, Germany) Siemens (headquartered in Berlin and Munich, Germany) Sony (headquartered in Tokyo, Japan) Sony Ericsson SRI International Sun Microsystems (acquired by Oracle Corporation) SunPower SurveyMonkey Synopsys Inc. Tata Consultancy Services (headquartered in Mumbai, India) Tibco Software Tesla Motors TiVo TSMC Twitter VA Software (Slashdot) VeriSign Veritas Software (acquired by Symantec) VMware WebEx (acquired by Cisco Systems) YouTube (acquired by Google) Yelp, Inc.

"Having offices in" results in a few people doing really well while the great unwashed hurl rotten tomatoes at their company sponsored busses. Not necessarily a good indication of a vibrant economic future beyond a few gated communities. Many companies are seeking to go elsewhere for taxation and quality of life concerns. One need not stay in Silicon Valley to be high tech nowadays.

[Jack198]

You can blame the politicians and the policies, but they stem from the mouth breathers who put them there in the first place (I'm lookin' at you, baby boomer ex-hippie asswipes.)

(08-21-2014 04:22 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

I look around at young people here, and it's rare that you'll meet someone who grew up middle or upper middle class who will live as well as their parents did. It's simply not an option with housing costs being as they are.

Very true, and not just for the native kids. All you need to do is consider the number of young bright eyed actor wannabes who head out there every year, fail at becoming much more than a waiter (or a porn star) for a couple of years while they "audition" and eventually go crawling back to wherever they came from for a reset. These kids often have college education too (although in stupid subjects). If the economy in the LA area had anything to offer aside from low end service jobs they'd stay, but who wants to wind up forty plus with roomates, a beat up toyota and window air conditioners? LA starts to look like DC with better weather and fewer opportunities.

[Basil Ransom]

Ha high speed rail is another great example - an incredible waste of money for something people will barely use - every god damn yuppie in this state is scared to take a bus lest they share space with a black or Hispanic person, but they've got a raging hard on for public rail transit. I've taken private long distance buses and they're comparable to flying coach. There really is no reason to spend billions on rail given how we're in debt to our eyeballs and private buses are a perfectly suitable alternative. Allow buses to go 85 miles an hour, there's your solution.

Besides, most SF people hate Southern California, and Southern Californians mostly don't have a burning desire to go up north often.

Jack, even for people with decent jobs earning say, $80k annually, trying to support a family on that with one income is pretty hard unless you're willing to discard first world living standards.

[Uzisuicide]

California should split up into 3 different states. There are groups trying to do just that. Good luck I know it's a long shot.

[MdWanderer]

(08-21-2014 03:42 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

@MdWanderer

This is not true.

OC does not have very approachable chicks, it is very cliquey overall and many times you will see racial cliques Whites, Latinos, Asians often segregate themselves.

OC it is extremely important to have a fishbowl.

Asian guy with club dance game.

White surf brah with lifted truck and big Angels, offroading, river boating, and country music fan.

MMA affliction tatted up brah.

Preppy rich Newport brah brat.

Latino gangsta wannabe.

Trustfund boy in dad's tinted out Porsche or BMW.

The list goes on...

You're a native so I'll take your word for it, actually living in OC may be different. When I lived in San Diego, there were a lot of spillover girls from Orange County and I found them to be very friendly. Made out with a smoking hot blonde from there and number closed her, and my game is about average. My last girlfriend was from the Inland Empire.

[DVY]

My buddy is on a 40 day, 30-girl pagan swoop streak in LA. Its a mix of tinder and night-game.

DTLA is the new manhattan for hipsters.

[speakeasy]

(08-21-2014 10:53 AM)catoblepa Wrote:  

do they have ski resorts in the San Gabriel Mountains? it must be awesome living in a county where you have a sub-tropical warm climate all year long and at the same time you have ski resorts right behind your back.

There are. I think Mountain High is Arrowhead are the biggest. But with almost no precipitation the last 3 years there ain't much to ski on. It's not warm all year, that's a misconception that L.A. has no winter. Where I lived the normal low in winter was 35-40 with a high of about 60-65. Get pretty chilly at night in L.A. all year except for the peak of summer. Day time is nice though even in January.

[Mujeriego]

I left CA for TX earlier this year after spending my entire life there. I don't regret it one bit. My standard of living has gone up and my taxes went down. Plenty of attractive girls here that are feminine and lack the CA attitude. The only things I miss are the mountains and the Pacific, but I can deal with it.

[WalterBlack]

If you want a wide choice of Asian girls and/or some of the best Asian food in the US, then you need to stay in California.

[RexImperator]

(08-21-2014 06:23 PM)DVY Wrote:  

My buddy is on a 40 day, 30-girl pagan swoop streak in LA. Its a mix of tinder and night-game.

DTLA is the new manhattan for hipsters.

That made me think of this:

[Travesty]

(08-21-2014 06:23 PM)DVY Wrote:  

My buddy is on a 40 day, 30-girl pagan swoop streak in LA. Its a mix of tinder and night-game.

DTLA is the new manhattan for hipsters.

Heard mixed reviews about DTLA the only friend I have that loved it was a complete hipster mustache and all himself. Been out there myself as a night tourist not a local twice, didn't see the magic yet. This was 2 years ago.

How was his quality and how good looking is he? I am assuming over half or more were Tinder girls.

I got the suited up photo done by a photographer and saw a significant bump in my online attention. Time to get jacked and get that shirtless surfer photo.

[CaP7]

Just curious. What other city in the U.S can you go to that is this easy to make $100k/year AND can live in a nice 1bed apartment in a happening area, walking distance to bars, restaurants, etc....for $1,500. Includes utilities.

My gas/electric bill in Santa Monica is less than $35/month. Take Dallas for instance. Apts in Uptown are $1100 (abt?). Tack on ac and heat of $150. Then go try and find a job making $100k. I'd be at $80k comparatively in Dallas. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not Miami. Salaries suck in Vegas. NYC? Hope you like 60-hour weeks and the indoors.

Sure, its more expensive to drink here. But, its a hell of a lot less expensive to do other cool shit. Year round too. Try jogging in Dallas on the Katy trail. If a biker doesn't kill you, you can do it for abt 6 months of the year comfortably. One of many examples.

Meanwhile, I can surf in January in sunshine...for free. One of many examples.

[Travesty]

(08-21-2014 07:51 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  

Just curious. What other city in the U.S can you go to that is this easy to make $100k/year AND can live in a nice 1bed apartment in a happening area, walking distance to bars, restaurants, etc....for $1,500. Includes utilities.

My gas/electric bill in Santa Monica is less than $35/month. Take Dallas for instance. Apts in Uptown are $1100 (abt?). Tack on ac and heat of $150. Then go try and find a job making $100k. I'd be at $80k comparatively in Dallas. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not Miami. Salaries suck in Vegas. NYC? Hope you like 60-hour weeks and the indoors.

Sure, its more expensive to drink here. But, its a hell of a lot less expensive to do other cool shit. Year round too. Try jogging in Dallas on the Katy trail. If a biker doesn't kill you, you can do it for abt 6 months of the year comfortably. One of many examples.

Meanwhile, I can surf in January in sunshine...for free. One of many examples.

These are great points I don't have an answer to. I think the game changes a lot if you become your own boss running a small business, or work for a large company where you work remote or can easily transfer offices and maintain the same or higher salary.

As a career employee that doesn't work for a huge company with lots of opportunities to transfer this makes sense. L.A. does offer value of salary vs. what you get in that regard.

[Mentavious]

(08-21-2014 09:23 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 08:36 AM)Matt Forney Wrote:  

The triumphalism of the California left is identical to that of the leftists in the other crumbling blue states (New York, Massachusetts, Illinois, Minnesota etc.):

"New York is the capital of the world!"
"Ew, why would you want to live in NORTH DAKOTA? There's nothing to do there!"
"I love New York's diversity. The rest of the country is just so white bread."

Meanwhile, the state government's deficit keeps growing every year despite all the tax increases. That's what happens when the middle class flees to other states.

California has an inbuilt advantage over the other blue states in that the weather is nice there (though with the Colorado River running on empty and the inland West states taking more water, we'll see how long that lasts). But weather isn't much of a help when the only people who can afford to enjoy it are the ultra-rich.

That's the big joke here: the left-wing tax-and-spend policies that are supposed to increase equality actually make it worse. California, New York and the other blue states are basically mini-Brazils, where only the very wealthy and the very poor can survive. The middle class, which neither qualifies for welfare nor is wealthy enough to weather shocks in the economy, are the ones who end up losing.

Want a job in New York? Outside of minimum-wage positions and specialized, parasitic rentier jobs (e.g. Wall Street, civil service), there's nothing. Get sick of renting and want to own your own house? Oh, whoops: of the top ten counties in the U.S. with the highest property tax burdens, NINE are in New York. Want to have kids? You can't afford them unless you go on the dole (which is why the only people in New York having kids are immigrants and derelicts). Want to build an addition to your garage, own a firearm, smoke or otherwise do what you like with your body or property? There's a law or regulation here that will fuck you up if you try.

Same thing with the other blue states. It doesn't matter how many billionaires live in your state (David Koch lives in Manhattan, but no one will seriously argue that it's because NYC is a libertarian paradise). High-speed rail doesn't matter, the "inventions" of a few tech geeks don't matter, what matters is how the middle class is doing. And right now, they have a better shot in Florida, Virginia, Texas, North Carolina or any of the other "flyover states" that the coastal lefties turn their noses up at. Hell, in places like South Dakota and Montana, living is so cheap that retail workers can actually afford to buy houses. In the glorious People's Republics of California and New York, they'd be relegated to living off EBT cards.

But by all means blue staters, keep patting yourselves on the back for living in the "cool" cities. Say wait, didn't Texas gain something like four electoral votes this past Census while California got nothing and New York lost two? Don't worry, I'm sure all those illegal anchor babies and underclass breeders will make up for the middle class fleeing to Nevada and Arizona. Yup, those EBT cases are gonna become productive citizens any day now...

Tell me about it. I live in Boston and the cost of living here is a fucking joke. I can justify places like Miami, New York, and LA but Boston has no reason to cost this much to live here when the weather is horrible 10 months out of the year. It's still August and I had to put on a SWEATER today! A fucking sweater in August.

Come to SE Michigan. You can get a swank one bedroom in a downtown area for under 1k. Maybe even 900. 2.5 hours to Lake Michigan, plenty of parks with beaches, houses are cheap, not as diverse but Toronto is only 3-4 hours away