[RealityCheck]

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but that is also the only thing most women really need.

It's all that they need in order to get preferential treatment in society, but it's not all that they need in order to be quality. Looks of course account for at 90-95% of what I look for in a girl, but looks plus a feminine, charming, pleasing personality can go a long way.

On the other hand, if a girl acts like a dude, busts my balls, and gives me shit, it makes me less attracted to her. A girl with this type of personality is likely the type that walks around with sweatpants and flip flops, hunched shoulders, a brand new iPhone, and then posts statuses on Facebook about how she's constantly surprised at what desperate lengths guys will go to to hit on her.

So really, the mindset that western women have adopted, which is that a vagina is "all they really need," is the root of why they are the object of derision in the red pill community. They use this mindset as a free pass to do whatever they want, take no responsibility for their behavior, and meanwhile they still get constantly rewarded by society.

[KC4]

Had something similar happen to me. Approached these Asian girls with a mate. There were 3 of them. And the girl who was left out started to go crazy. She started saying that the girl I was trying to pull had a white boyfriend and that he was going kick my ass. My friend wanted to bail, I did too for a second. I decided against it and went " cool, is he here"?
"No"
"Then we have nothing to worry about"
" but she has a boyfriend"
But she started freaking out yada yada. Got away and pulled the girl I wanted. Only happened once but I learned that it's just best to confront them

[boywonder34]

Agree with the others who said he should roll with the punches. What they should have done was just move on and the rejection would have been nothing more than a footnote of the night.

Instead they escalated it so much that it likely became the most notable event of the night and fucked up their whole mindset for the night. It became such a big thing, it warranted a YouTube vid with commentary.

[Il Bersagliere]

Fisto! Loving that hooker comeback. Just imagine if he executed that. All the scar tissue from her ego preservation.

Seriously though, the guy did take it out of proportion by escalating it further. It just looks bad. However, there are important ...cultural lessons to be learned from this. Mind the way you approach Westernized Asians and Indians. Gotta be aloof. Gotta be cocky.

I recall a point in time where I was talking to an asian chick and asked her a question. Immediately, she attempted to size me up by magnifying her worth and diminishing mine. Boom. Amused mastery. Boom. Indifference.

[Excalibur]

What a timely thread.

Yesterday was the first time in my life a girl told me to - fu-k off.
I just said - Damn, you just be having a bad day.

Not gonna deny it, but I was swimming in my head for a good 10 minutes. Then I saw a hottie with the perfect hour glass shaped body and approached her. She was the sweetest girl, and we chatted for a while. She was at least 2x as cute as the previous girl. She had a BF so it was a no go. But I immediately felt better and 100% erase the experience with the nasty girl.

As Roosh said, do whatever regain you state.
For me, if this ever happens again, I would just laugh - LOL, damn, you must be having a bad day. Walk off and immediately approach the next girl.

[Cobra]

It's easy to say, yeah shrug it off and move on to a newbie. But do you think that's what will happen?

Doubtful, especially for this guy who probably paid a lot of money for coaching and is probably insecure about a lot of things aside from just being short. Sure the guy should move on. That's preaching to the choir. And, we on the forum, can do that all day. But will he really, given the insecurities he has?

The night may turn out okay if he does but what about the rest of his life when he's done with the coaching. Chances are the situation will pester him further; but at least in this particular case, he saw another person similar to him stand up to her and let him see that she's truly just a little bitch and the situation has less to do with race (or whatever else) and more with her as a person than he may have originally thought. It's important for him to realize that. And it was the whole point of the video which the coach mentioned in the beginning.

And that's worth something no matter how pussy or whatever people say it is. It's a reference point he can choose to draw from instead of leaving the night with that festering feeling that a girl "above" him told him to fuck off. Coach ain't there forever. At some point it's gotta be your own frame and references that push you through. While I agree that the coach's method was crude, it provides that reference screaming loud and clear that the girl is not "above" the student.

It's easy to forget how hard it is to develop frame. I want to say a lot of us were like this guy and maybe even still are. For me, rejections used to sting just a little in the beginning but worse when I woke up in the morning. Then a month later it would sting more when another girl does something similar. Over time though, I realized with more approaches, I'm starting to be bothered a lot less and can't even get into the habit of being bothered more than that if I tried. It has been like a bell curve and I'm still trying to even it out.

tl;dr: Reference points like this when you see a girl's behavior to be consistent across the board, do help albeit the handling of the situation by the coach which is less relevant to me. How the student uses this reference in the future to understand girls matters more.

[civpro]

Bah gawd, the self-hate of Asian women is real. Asian men really screwed themselves over by promoting fair features and moving to Western nations where they get amogged into oblivion by the White residents.

I'd say Asian guys, along with below avg. Black guys, have it the worst on the open multicultural dating market. They're often not good enough for their own women and no other race is clamouring for them either. Arguably, Indians and Middle Easterners may be even less attractive/lower SMV, but at least they have arranged marriages to fall back on.

Best thing in my opinion for an Asian guy who wants a varied sex life is to shake off the beta cultural programming, lift weights/run sick body game, adopt an edgy style, and go after girls who'd be most open to him: hipster White girls, Latinas (at home and abroad; I notice they seem to be most open to interracial dating, being mutts themselves), hippie travelling types, etc.

[Patrickstar]

^^ I have 2 friends that are Asian. 1 thats been with nothing but white women and the other thats been with over 100 women of all sorts of nationalities. I also know many tall, good looking (white) guys that date war pigs. So according to you my asian friends should be worst off with women but they're doing a lot better then the white guys I know. So it's not a race issue basing off of my friends.

[CodyB]

(04-13-2015 12:32 AM)Patrickstar Wrote:  

^^ I have 2 friends that are Asian. 1 thats been with nothing but white women and the other thats been with over 100 women of all sorts of nationalities. I also know many tall, good looking (white) guys that date war pigs. So according to you my asian friends should be worst off with women but they're doing a lot better then the white guys I know. So it's not a race issue basing off of my friends.

I'm not sure why you're so salty about this.

Your mates are what Asian guys should be doing. Working on the appearance, persona etc. I bet they don't study 16 hours a day and let their mums dress them right?

[Mr Finish]

There was a study done that in most cases everyone is most attracted to their own race, Asian girls being the only exception.

[germanico]

(04-15-2015 07:57 PM)Mr Finish Wrote:  

There was a study done that in most cases everyone is most attracted to their own race, Asian girls being the only exception.

Really? But the guy has a 2 feet tall mohawk and is obsessed with white girls. Whats not to like?

[coverdoc]

This thread brings back memories. I've never really ran into bitchy Asians. If they are not interested, they usually just have a pouty face. When I was in Scandinavia coming back from a night club, I stopped two chicks walking to ask for directions (seriously), One said fuck off. I looked at her and said "Don't talk to me like that" She paused and proceeded to give me directions. I guess the results of good frame maybe.

-CD

[zombiejimmorrison]

(08-09-2014 07:01 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 06:31 PM)Sugar Wrote:  

He was DJ Fuji's assistant at some point which is how he got good.

This clown?

Dude, hes the second biggest joke in the PU community, biggest one being Vince Kelvin.

He's actually quite smart in game. He's indistinguishable from this forum and this video was made 5 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOutfe33dC0

[Captain Gh]

(04-12-2015 12:11 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

It's easy to say, yeah shrug it off and move on to a newbie. But do you think that's what will happen?

Doubtful, especially for this guy who probably paid a lot of money for coaching and is probably insecure about a lot of things aside from just being short. Sure the guy should move on. That's preaching to the choir. And, we on the forum, can do that all day. But will he really, given the insecurities he has?

The night may turn out okay if he does but what about the rest of his life when he's done with the coaching. Chances are the situation will pester him further; but at least in this particular case, he saw another person similar to him stand up to her and let him see that she's truly just a little bitch and the situation has less to do with race (or whatever else) and more with her as a person than he may have originally thought. It's important for him to realize that. And it was the whole point of the video which the coach mentioned in the beginning.

And that's worth something no matter how pussy or whatever people say it is. It's a reference point he can choose to draw from instead of leaving the night with that festering feeling that a girl "above" him told him to fuck off. Coach ain't there forever. At some point it's gotta be your own frame and references that push you through. While I agree that the coach's method was crude, it provides that reference screaming loud and clear that the girl is not "above" the student.

It's easy to forget how hard it is to develop frame. I want to say a lot of us were like this guy and maybe even still are. For me, rejections used to sting just a little in the beginning but worse when I woke up in the morning. Then a month later it would sting more when another girl does something similar. Over time though, I realized with more approaches, I'm starting to be bothered a lot less and can't even get into the habit of being bothered more than that if I tried. It has been like a bell curve and I'm still trying to even it out.

tl;dr: Reference points like this when you see a girl's behavior to be consistent across the board, do help albeit the handling of the situation by the coach which is less relevant to me. How the student uses this reference in the future to understand girls matters more.

This is why I wish I could write better! You couldn't have made a better description on this! In real life you should simply shrug it off, but in this case with a newbie on his watch, Casanova HAD to go to war with this Girl to keep him going about improving himself overall.

Sometimes you've got to stand up for your boys, even if it's not the smartest thing to do! I'm almost sure the newbie was on the verge of breaking down and Casanova could sense it as well.

[Sherman]

I think guys are overthinking this. The purpose of approaching her was to teach a student that a rude girl isn't scary and you can talk back to her. That is actually a useful aerobic exercise. If a student considers a highly rude girl as his worst case scenario in an approach, then if he can develop skills to handle this worst case scenario he loses his fear and his confidence soars. After he does it a few times, he will move beyond it.