Quote: (08-03-2014 12:37 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:
Trying to discuss this in light of more academic writing about the subject, I started a thread on this too http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-38789.html
It seems like a fine hypothesis. Testosterone is linked to aggression, would society work well if people were more likely to just start fights and kill each other more often?
First off, her first sentence is a dead give-away. Female readers are supposed to feel morally superior to men
as women are the ones who don't murder and rape one another and have nice things. Bullshit. Women didn't invent the concept of heterosexual love.
Still, to say testosterone is linked to (outright) aggressiveness isn't describing the whole situation.
Estrogen leads to more emotion-based, arbitrary decision-making. So, you get needlessly sympathetic or weak decisions and needlessly aggressive and over-the-top decisions - all the while less direct and more passive-aggressive behavior. Testosterone leads to more predictable and judicious behavior or decisions that is more direct. Yes, it is linked to aggression, but it isn't as arbitrary and leads to more direct displays of aggression. There is a quote from
Seinfeld on point here by Elaine, but I forget it.
Further, the idea that feminization of humanity is what leads to civilization smacks of the idea that women civilize men. No, men civilize other men. Women do often domesticate men, but they never civilize a brutish or violent men. That's a female fantasy: he's half bad but half good. Violent men are subdued and stamped out by other men.
A quote from an ROK article of
mine:
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Some years back, a South African game reserve was faced with a problem: they could no longer support all the elephants on the reserve. As such, they decided to move some of the elephants to another reserve. Given the enormous size of elephants, only helicopters could safely transport them. Since adult male elephants are much heavier than females, the reserve decided to only transport female adult elephants and young males to another reserve.
After a few weeks at the new reserve, the rangers started to find the bodies of rhinoceros’ violently gored to death. The rangers couldn’t suspect poachers, as their tusks were intact. So, they found out it was the juvenile male elephants who had killed the rhinos. Further, it wasn’t just the rhinos who had been stomped on and gored to death, as other animals on the reserve had been attacked by the young male elephants. This sort of behavior bewildered the rangers, as such violent behavior is unheard among male elephants.
The rangers realized that the problem was the lack of adult male elephants. They decided to find a way to helicopter adult male elephants to the reserve. Within weeks, the young males had stopped goring other animals and began to comport themselves as male elephants generally do.
Then consider this quote of hers:
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A rounder face in humans is associated with less testosterone, and less testosterone can mean better cooperation between individuals. Less head clubbing and more community building, basically.
If she means hierarchy-based cooperation based out of social standing, then yes. But she doesn't mean that. She thinks women cooperate and men rebel, riot and generally do whatever they want. When men are around to raise boys into men, violence as an issue seems to dry up quickly.
TL;DR: Men civilize other men
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