[Fighting888]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ctive.html

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Strong, silent types DO get the girl: Men who use fewer, shorter words are seen as more manly and attractive
Women find men who use shorter words and talk less to be most attractive. On average women talk three times as many words each day as men. As a result, speaking less in concise sentences is a sign of masculinity. By appearing more masculine, 'silent types' are considered better looking

This explains why masculine, deep voices are seen as attractive too

Study also found people prefer partners with a similar accent and tone

While 'breathy’ voices in women were seen as more attractive and youthful.

For decades, experts believed women flocked to silent types because of their aloof and mysterious nature - but new research suggests its because the trait is actually an ultimate sign of masculinity.


On average, women talk three times as many words each day than men, and their brains are wired to recognise this trait.


When a women meets a man who talks a lot, they consider them to be more feminine and less attractive, yet men who use shorter words and speak more concisely were seen as more attractive because they appeared more masculine.



Silent types who also have deep voices, such as Hollywood actor George Clooney, were considered the most attractive.

Canadian researchers studied which type of voices, the words used, and range of accents were considered most attractive to the respective sexes.

They found that people are naturally drawn to friends and colleagues with voices that sound familiar.

People prefer those who have a similar accent, intonation and tone of voice to themselves, for example.

Men with deeper voices and women with slightly higher voices were thought to sound more attractive, because they suggest a bigger or a smaller body.

Dr Molly Babel, from the University of British Columbia in Canada, said: ‘The voice is an amazingly flexible tool that we use to construct our identity.

‘Very few things in our voices are immutable, so we felt that our preferences had to be about more than a person’s shape and size.’

She recorded 30 volunteers’ voices and asked each to rate the others’ ‘attractiveness’ on a scale of one to nine. Each participant was from western America, with similar accents.


Dr Babel said: ‘We found that what is attractive to people is how much they sound like a typical male or a typical female from their own community.

‘The people we assessed were all in the same dialect group, but they exhibited that dialect to different degrees.'

The participants had a strong preference for female voices that pronounced the ‘oo’ vowel sound from a word like ‘goose’ further forward in the mouth.

The sound is characteristic of Californian speech - in other American regions people pronounce the ‘oo’ sound further back in the mouth.

‘We seem to like people who sound like we sound, we like people who fit within what we know,’ Dr Babel said.

She also found that ‘breathy’ voices in women - typified by Marilyn Monroe - were seen as more attractive.

The breathy tone, caused by younger and thinner vocal cords, implied youthfulness and health. A creaky voice, suggesting a person has a cold, is tired or smokes, was seen as unattractive.

The participants preferred men who spoke with a shorter average word length and deeper voices.

But Dr Babel said her findings do not mean that people are never attracted to those with different accents.

The linguist, whose work is published in the journal PLOS One, said: ‘Once you’re outside of a certain range of familiarity novel and exotic sounding voices might become more attractive.

‘We also have to keep in mind we find some accents more preferable than others because of social stereotypes associated with them.’

[Duke Castile]

This is misleading. Girls dont like a guy that stands there and says nothing. While youre over there thinking that youre being strong and silent shes thinking youre uptight and boring.

This is the typical "i want a nice guy" bs girls say when they aren't in touch with their feminine brain.

Agree with saying less and being masculine and all that but they're referencing actors as examples that are fucking famous with stratosphere built in attraction.

[Mister X]

It works through text but doesn't translate well in person unless you've already proven yourself in a variety of other ways. It certainly works when the girl is already attracted to you but not when you're trying to attract her. As said above, a lot of women take that as shy and boring.

[Atlantic]

Heres my thoughts...

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-27-2014 01:26 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

This is misleading. Girls dont like a guy that stands there and says nothing. While youre over there thinking that youre being strong and silent shes thinking youre uptight and boring.

This is the typical "i want a nice guy" bs girls say when they aren't in touch with their feminine brain.

Agree with saying less and being masculine and all that but they're referencing actors as examples that are fucking famous with stratosphere built in attraction.

The article is as misleading as always when it comes to matters of Game.

Those examples are of course bogus in the article, though they are right on voice, but wrong when citing A-celebrities. Danny DeVito in his prime would not have to say anything in order to get laid like gangbusters. You can grunt and point to your car outside. But that is not Game - it is just a massively high DHV.

Strong introverted guys still have to go up to the girl and say something starting with strong eye contact. There is no need to change your personality - if you are introverted, don't try to become a high-energy extroverted guy.

There is this guy from the Manosphere who writes a blog for introverted Players: http://justinattraction.com/

Now - some guys are not really introverted or naturally shy - they are just insecure in the beginning. After the initial successes and more self-confidence your real personality emerges. If it is extroverted - fine, you will have it easier especially in Night Game. If you are introverted, then your goal is to become a stronger version of yourself in the way you are comfortable with. Think of Clint Eastwood rather than James Bond.

[XXL]

Yeah when a women meets a man who talks a lot, they consider them to be more feminine and less attractive because their verbal game sucks shit so men who use shorter words and speak more concisely were seen as more attractive because they are better off saying as less as possible to not fuck it up.

There's nothing masculine or attractive about being less talkative/eloquent.

Experts believed women flocked to silent types because of their aloof and mysterious nature - but what they forgot completely is that those types they examine are all celebrities and super high value men in the society so because their status does all the job they can say 3 words every 3 minutes and it works for them.

For anyone who wants to put that experts' theory to practice, try to hook random stranger girl's attention and pull her by being silent type from start to finish. Good luck with that

[void]

(07-27-2014 06:04 AM)XXL Wrote:  

Yeah when a women meets a man who talks a lot, they consider them to be more feminine and less attractive because their verbal game sucks shit so men who use shorter words and speak more concisely were seen as more attractive because they are better off saying as less as possible to not fuck it up.

There's nothing masculine or attractive about being less talkative/eloquent.

Experts believed women flocked to silent types because of their aloof and mysterious nature - but what they forgot completely is that those types they examine are all celebrities and super high value men in the society so because their status does all the job they can say 3 words every 3 minutes and it works for them.

For anyone who wants to put that experts' theory to practice, try to hook random stranger girl's attention and pull her by being silent type from start to finish. Good luck with that

Caveman game? Talk less, take action.

[Lizard King]

Being verbose and talkative works too

[game_ethic]

Here's the summarization of this study: Women prefer attractive men who use fewer, shorter words.

[Ensam]

(07-27-2014 06:04 AM)XXL Wrote:  

For anyone who wants to put that experts' theory to practice, try to hook random stranger girl's attention and pull her by being silent type from start to finish. Good luck with that

Actually this has worked for me a few times - usually in environments with a horrible ratio. One tactic I like to use is to give very short and vague - almost dismissive - responses to the girl I'm interested in but then be affable and chatty with her friends. This drives them nuts - especially if they're hot and used to being the center of attention. Last weekend after an hour or so of that my 'target' cornered me and kissed me then said, "You sexy laconic motherfucker".

There's a difference between being the strong silent type and being that weirdo who sits in the corner.

[RockHard]

There's a grain of truth in that quote:

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The participants preferred men who spoke with a shorter average word length and deeper voices.

We've seen this advice before. Talk from your diaphragm and don't babble. They could also add slow down and pace your speech.

On the other hand, there's Russell Brand.

[soup]

It's more about having economy of words than anything, and talking less or more depending on what is required of the situation.

There are times when you do need to talk more.. Like when you are taking a girl back to your place for the first time. A good ramble in that situation can help lighten the mood and build comfort instead of a laconic deafening silence.

These studies are interesting, but there are no official studies on game- we are the scientists, and have much more nuanced understanding of how men women are attracted to each other than a lot if these kinds of studies.

[simondice]

Just because you're rambling, it doesn't mean you have to be a New York Cabbie, talking 100 miles per minute.

You could keep a slow speech with a deep voice, using silences to accentuate, keeping it short and sweet to get the girl talking more.

[Goldmund]

When I first seduce a girl, go for the ONS, am trying to escalate fast and furious...I talk like a motherfucker. The more present I am the better, it woos em like nothing else.

BUT...when I am seeing a girl, on a date, have her around for a bit...I would say she talks 80% of the time, I'll say 'yeah, that's nice' in response to her rambles, and I'll do 20% of the total talking. Choosing words carefully.

[civpro]

If this is actually true then it's a bad thing, as it shows you can't talk your way into a woman's pants.

In my personal experience chattiness has a neutral to slightly positive value. There are times when I feel it helps, but then those are tinged with doubt (Did she even care about what I had to talk about before jumping my bones?). There are also times where frustratingly it doesn't help at all. I think what really matters is just persistence and commitment to the approach/interaction, after you've maximized your value.

[lalafufu]

How I interpreted this: being economical with your words is masculine. From personal experience I agree with this. The men I knew with the most masculine careers didn't waste words.

A common mistake I see among game newbies is they talk too much.

[Pinocchio]

The 48 Laws of Power
Law 4

Always Say Less than Necessary

When you are trying to impress people with words, the more you say, the more common you appear, and the less in control. Even if you are saying something banal, it will seem original if you make it vague, open-ended, and sphinxlike. Powerful people impress and intimidate by saying less. The more you say, the more likely you are to say something foolish.

[R Smoov]

Who gives a fuck what some Dexter's Lab ass nerds research?

Of course they would say "Oh yeah women love that strong silent type! I don't fuckin do but mooch off my fuckin mom and collect shitty ass swords! Women love creepy My Little Pony: Bullshit is Magic lookin ass loosers like me. Oh my fedora brings off that mysterious side oh they love that"

Talk to people. It's better to be an outspoken asshole thats charismatic and talks alot. I talk a fucking lot cause I have a bad habit of speaking my mind.

If you can rock strong and silent power to ya but this country and the world has not been founded on that bullshit these nerds is feeding people.

[Rico Suave]

This really isn't true in America where someone might be labelled as weird if they don't talk alot.

Rico

[RockHard]

(07-27-2014 09:27 AM)soup Wrote:  

It's more about having economy of words than anything, and talking less or more depending on what is required of the situation.

There are times when you do need to talk more.. Like when you are taking a girl back to your place for the first time. A good ramble in that situation can help lighten the mood and build comfort instead of a laconic deafening silence.

These studies are interesting, but there are no official studies on game- we are the scientists, and have much more nuanced understanding of how men women are attracted to each other than a lot if these kinds of studies.

I agree, but your delivery can remain basically the same.

The thing with these studies is that in order to be scientific, they have to have controls & eliminate variables. You're dealing with humans, so it's a study in probability. Guys get pissed off because they say "well, I recorded my approach and my tonality was perfect".

a) Not all women are exactly the same
b) The study controlled for things like body language, eye contact, hand movements, etc.

So the study is most applicable to things like a phone conversation, but a real live pickup situation has a lot more variables to consider.

[travolta]

I used to talk a lot of nonsense, but ever since I started talking less I've been getting laid more. I'm more serious and quiet than I used to be (thanks to working by myself on my computer all day). My experience reflects what this article is saying. Talking less was a game changer for me.

[Vaun]

Women like to investigate and figure shit out. The less you tell them about yourself, the more you get the hamster turning. Sure you have to be the clown upfront to get their attention. "Did you ever kiss a girl?" or whatever the guy in the RSD video says. But mansplaning is real and bitches be bored when you talk on and on. Talk less, and when you talk about yourself, dont give them any real info about who you are. Watch them try to dig it out of you, it makes them wet. Hold back on direct answers and let them question you a little.

[Brian Boru]

Sounds about right to me. Speak less than your typical loud-mouth and make ever statement meaningful.

[Sebastian]

It depends on what you are selling. Do you have something that people will come up and buy from you? Then you can sit back cocky as shxt and just answer few question. Or do you have something that you can find everywhere? Then you better go out there and sell your stuff.