[HawkWrites]

WWII was the most interesting era in history to me so I'm always interested in learning about motivations and tactics behind the various military operations of the war.

[soup]

(07-23-2014 12:53 AM)Sawyer Wrote:  

Auschwitz could be considered the birthplace of the greatest Jewish victory in 2000 years. The place nearly synonymous with the legendary event that began the sounding of the as yet bottomless wellspring of white guilt and the creation of the Jewish homeland.

This may be a horrible Christian perspective, but if I were a Jewish guy who chose not to fight for his beloved Germany but instead was rounded up and sent to a camp to die, there is nothing that would make me happier than seeing my grand daughter happily living in a world that finally respects the sovereignty of her people, and that I did not die in vain but instead was part of achieving a goal two millennia in the making.

You Jews need to lighten up. There are a lot of people whose grandparents died on Omaha beach and elsewhere for your territorial redemption. It's time to move on.

Sawyer, is that machiavelli in your avatar?

[Sawyer]

(07-23-2014 12:57 AM)HawkWrites Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 12:53 AM)Sawyer Wrote:  

Auschwitz could be considered the birthplace of the greatest Jewish victory in 2000 years. The place nearly synonymous with the legendary event that began the sounding of the as yet bottomless wellspring of white guilt and the creation of the Jewish homeland.

This may be a horrible Christian perspective, but if I were a Jewish guy who chose not to fight for his beloved Germany but instead was rounded up and sent to a camp to die, there is nothing that would make me happier than seeing my grand daughter happily living in a world that finally respects the sovereignty of her people, and that I did not die in vain but instead was part of achieving a goal two millennia in the making.

You Jews need to lighten up. There are a lot of people whose grandparents died on Omaha beach and elsewhere for your territorial redemption. It's time to move on.

Operation Overlord had nothing to do with the liberation of Jews in concentration camps. Several other kinds of people were also imprisoned as well. D-Day and the invasion of Omaha beach had to do with breaking up the Nazi stranglehold in France so the Allies could push further into Europe with the eventual goal of reaching Germany to prevent the Third Reich from taking over the entire world.

Don't use something like the D-Day landings and the associated Allied deaths as political fodder. That's just disrespectful to assume that it had anything to do with territorial acquisition or redemption.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, I only mean to let some air into the conversation. This isn't a kibbutz, after all.

[Sawyer]

(07-23-2014 01:03 AM)soup Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 12:53 AM)Sawyer Wrote:  

Auschwitz could be considered the birthplace of the greatest Jewish victory in 2000 years. The place nearly synonymous with the legendary event that began the sounding of the as yet bottomless wellspring of white guilt and the creation of the Jewish homeland.

This may be a horrible Christian perspective, but if I were a Jewish guy who chose not to fight for his beloved Germany but instead was rounded up and sent to a camp to die, there is nothing that would make me happier than seeing my grand daughter happily living in a world that finally respects the sovereignty of her people, and that I did not die in vain but instead was part of achieving a goal two millennia in the making.

You Jews need to lighten up. There are a lot of people whose grandparents died on Omaha beach and elsewhere for your territorial redemption. It's time to move on.

Sawyer, is that machiavelli in your avatar?

Saint Thomas More -- and yeah, I'll probably go to hell for it.

[Saga]

(07-23-2014 12:43 AM)HawkWrites Wrote:  

The ruins of the Coliseum in Greece

*Italy...off-topic I know.

As for the photo, a smiling selfie taken from Auschwitz was almost bound to happen sooner or later, so it registers neither surprise nor shock on my part. Since this will almost certainly become more frequent in the future, maybe Auschwitz can employ some very stern guards to bark at people when they do something inappropriate and disrespectful...tombs of the unknown soldier all over the world have been doing that for years.

[HawkWrites]

(07-23-2014 01:48 AM)Saga Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 12:43 AM)HawkWrites Wrote:  

The ruins of the Coliseum in Greece

*Italy...off-topic I know.

As for the photo, a smiling selfie taken from Auschwitz was almost bound to happen sooner or later, so it registers neither surprise nor shock on my part. Since this will almost certainly become more frequent in the future, maybe Auschwitz can employ some very stern guards to bark at people when they do something inappropriate and disrespectful...tombs of the unknown soldier all over the world have been doing that for years.

Technically if we're talking animal and human fights those happened frequently at the Coliseum in Rome (Italy's capital). Hey, if I fuck up, let me know. I'd rather be corrected than go through life with a misconception about something like that.

The Tomb has been but they still allow people to take pictures. I haven't heard of The Old Guard getting pissed at people taking photos of the patrolling ritual or the Changing of the Guard.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

What do you expect from this generation as it simply lacks any empathy:


   

   

   

   

Monkey see - monkey do.

They learn from the celebrities - here a "fun" video for the Justin Timberlake/Jessica Biel wedding:

I know, I know - they did not do it or order it supposedly, but I don't buy that shit. My friends would know better than to do something like this and mock people for their current poverty-ridden state. I guess they knew that Justin & Jessica would find it very funny.

Fuck them - I guess in a way the generation deserves the rampant destruction of society that is to come.

[HawkWrites]

I will actually get pissed at people being bitch-worthy at Arlington or at The Tomb. That's just me; everyone is entitled to their opinion but I find any vapid or idiotic activity to be deserving of nothing but the most haughty derision at these locations.

[bojangles]

Is the faux outrage on here equivalent to feminists?

Girl's dad teaches girl about holocaust, girls dad dies before they can make a trip to Poland. A year on, on the anniversary of his death, she's there and takes a picture so she can show her family and twitter followers that she actually got there and 'made her dad proud (?)'.

Natural reaction for girls taking photos of themselves is to smile or pout, its pre programmed

Earphones? You get them on most tours in Europe as the tour guide is normally not speaking English.

The abuse is unwarranted but as usual its a load of keyboard warriors sending her stuff.

[HawkWrites]

(07-23-2014 03:58 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Is the faux outrage on here equivalent to feminists?

Girl's dad teaches girl about holocaust, girls dad dies before they can make a trip to Poland. A year on, on the anniversary of his death, she's there and takes a picture so she can show her family and twitter followers that she actually got there and 'made her dad proud (?)'.

Natural reaction for girls taking photos of themselves is to smile or pout, its pre programmed

Earphones? You get them on most tours in Europe as the tour guide is normally not speaking English.

The abuse is unwarranted but as usual its a load of keyboard warriors sending her stuff.

"Made her dad proud" to me is the equivalent of the idiots who "wear the uniform to honor their X/Y/Z". Any of the times you see some jack-off with a Ranger tab on his shoulder? Obviously it was to "honor" his family member.

It all falls under the same general category for me.

[Sp5]

(07-23-2014 03:58 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Is the faux outrage on here equivalent to feminists?

Girl's dad teaches girl about holocaust, girls dad dies before they can make a trip to Poland. A year on, on the anniversary of his death, she's there and takes a picture so she can show her family and twitter followers that she actually got there and 'made her dad proud (?)'.

Natural reaction for girls taking photos of themselves is to smile or pout, its pre programmed

Earphones? You get them on most tours in Europe as the tour guide is normally not speaking English.

The abuse is unwarranted but as usual its a load of keyboard warriors sending her stuff.

These Two Minutes' Hate things on Twitter are coming out of what I think Rollo Tomassi described as women's addiction to indignation.

If not that, or in addition to that, could be meta-propaganda related to Israel bombing Gaza, just to put the Auschwitz story out on social and mainstream media right now. Subtle countermeasure to pictures of dead Arab kids. Could also be related to someone's Ukraine objectives in some way.

That's another reason for these Two Minutes' hate - covertly pushing agendas for government and business. One of the Snowden documents just showed how GCHQ (the British NSA) could do the following, among other things:

Quote:

• “Change outcome of online polls” (UNDERPASS)

• “Mass delivery of email messaging to support an Information Operations campaign” (BADGER) and “mass delivery of SMS messages to support an Information Operations campaign” (WARPARTH)

• “Disruption of video-based websites hosting extremist content through concerted target discovery and content removal.” (SILVERLORD)

• “Find private photographs of targets on Facebook” (SPRING BISHOP)

• “Ability to artificially increase traffic to a website” (GATEWAY) and “ability to inflate page views on websites” (SLIPSTREAM)

• “Amplification of a given message, normally video, on popular multimedia websites (Youtube)” (GESTATOR)

• “Targeted Denial Of Service against Web Servers” (PREDATORS FACE) and “Distributed denial of service using P2P. Built by ICTR, deployed by JTRIG” (ROLLING THUNDER)

• “A suite of tools for monitoring target use of the UK auction site eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk)” (ELATE)

• “Ability to spoof any email address and send email under that identity” (CHANGELING)

• CLEAN SWEEP which "masquerade[s] Facebook wall posts for individuals or entire countries".

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/...ation-leak

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/...-internet/

[bojangles]

So you're saying she should not taken a picture at all? Are your comments are emotionally invested in this picture of hers because of your religion?

Is the Colosseum not a place of genocide? After all there weren't just Gladiator fights there, you've probably heard about the overfed lions having to be poked to devour more christians? Would you take a picture there?

Would you take a picture in the killing fields of Ypres?

Or maybe photos should be banned in India after 10m were slaughtered following an 1857 mutiny after which Charles Dickens no less wanted the whole population put to the sword?

I could go on and on, no pictures near the Tigris becaus Hulegu massacred the population of Baghdad circa 250,000, no pictures in Delhi because it's been wiped clean 3 times by invading armies killing off the whole population.

Where do we stop? No pictures in hospital of your new born child because a woman died in that bed 10 years ago?

[Teedub]

Just a quick one, do all Americans pronounce Auschwitz like the reporter in the interview? As in, pronouncing the "w" as a "w" and not as a "v" sound? I've noticed Polish surnames seem to follow this pattern.

bojangles - I would guess it's because she seems so happy, and that it's still relatively fresh in the memory. I think the holocaust has a particularly bad 'glow' because it was so industrial etc.

[travolta]

(07-22-2014 07:56 PM)Vroom Wrote:  

sorry, why am I supposed to be outraged?

Would it be less "outrageous" if someone took the photo for her? Don't you guys take photos when you travel?

Some of you just need to chill - it's not 'red pill' to get angry about every little thing.

Best comment on this thread. Actually one of the best comments on the forum, and one that people should read 1000x over. A lot of people here are really the equivalent of feminists with all their bitching over petty stuff.

[Matt3B]

The issue I had with the girl is a follow up tweet. She complained that she wished people would stop mentioning her, retweeting her and favouriting her picture. I called her out that she loved the attention, and several others followed me up saying that if she didn't want the attention, then she would simply delete the picture.

That's my problem. I couldn't give a fuck about her smiling for a photo. She's loving the attention, she's thriving off it, and pretending that she doesn't is typical girl behaviour. If she was so arsed, she'd protect her account, delete the picture and get on with life.

[soup]

I also think that the new generation might have trouble dealing the concept of death. This might be due to them supposedly being more coddled and not facing as much adversity as the previous generations.

Purposefully making joke selfies (or selfie pranks) could be their way of trying to deal with death or the darker side of life.

It reflects an emotional immaturity I believe, and a lack of connection to things meaningful. Death is just a big joke to them. It's like a "creepy" guy that is just trying to ruin their fun time.

[Parlay44]

The saddest thing about the internet is that it has given a voice to those that have nothing meaningful to say.

[Sombro]

I have pictures I've taken at the Colisseum, Dachau, Ground Zero Hiroshima, Nagasaki and more.

At no time I felt compelled to insert myself into the photos of these historic, yet somber places.
I understand most things are not about me, and I have no problem with it.

The girl's narcissism in a tasteless context is what pisses people off, not simply the locations.

[TheWastelander]

Dem wrinkles.

WNB.

[Blaster]

(07-23-2014 05:30 AM)MattC Wrote:  

The issue I had with the girl is a follow up tweet. She complained that she wished people would stop mentioning her, retweeting her and favouriting her picture. I called her out that she loved the attention, and several others followed me up saying that if she didn't want the attention, then she would simply delete the picture.

That's my problem. I couldn't give a fuck about her smiling for a photo. She's loving the attention, she's thriving off it, and pretending that she doesn't is typical girl behaviour. If she was so arsed, she'd protect her account, delete the picture and get on with life.

This sounds like a rationalization to me. She's young, getting a flood of unexpected attention and isn't prepared to deal with it. Hardly shocking or indicative of anything we don't already know about the nature of twitter and the internet.

Fact is no one would know or care about the stupid picture if someone didn't decide "tweeting a selfie at Aushwitz" would push people's outrage buttons. How do we know this girl didn't break down crying when she saw the display of shoes or hair in the actual museum? Was she smiling like that before or after seeing the gas chamber? We know virtually nothing about her experience there.

The Daily Mail is just trolling and people are falling for it.

[Truth Teller]

(07-23-2014 12:53 AM)Sawyer Wrote:  

This may be a horrible Christian perspective, but if I were a Jewish guy who chose not to fight for his beloved Germany but instead was rounded up and sent to a camp to die, there is nothing that would make me happier than seeing my grand daughter happily living in a world that finally respects the sovereignty of her people, and that I did not die in vain but instead was part of achieving a goal two millennia in the making.

The Jews didn't "choose not to fight" for Germany. They were thrown into concentration camps and systematically exterminated for being Jewish.

[Dr. Howard]

(07-23-2014 03:26 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

What do you expect from this generation as it simply lacks any empathy:










Monkey see - monkey do.

I know, I know - they did not do it or order it supposedly, but I don't buy that shit. My friends would know better than to do something like this and mock people for their current poverty-ridden state. I guess they knew that Justin & Jessica would find it very funny.

Fuck them - I guess in a way the generation deserves the rampant destruction of society that is to come.

That chick with the homeless guy sleeping in the hotel lobby...that makes me shake my head. If that selfie was "homeless man sleeping in lobby, comped him a room" something charitable it would have been both generous and press/ad/image worthy for the hotel.

[Icarus]

This thread has so much awesome material for the "American girls be like" thread!

[Vicious]

The concentration camp pic was disrespectful but nothing I really raised an eyebrow over. The pics of the dead grandmas however... JESUS FUCKING CHRIST how on earth can you do that to your own flesh and blood?

[soup]

We should come up with a word for these death-selfies:

Dealfies

or

Deathies