[Bruno]

So what do you think about calling women out on their bullshit like this and giving ultimatums?

I don't know but I feel kinda old and tired of playing all these childish fucking games with chicks and waste time, so I wonder what your guys thoughts are on just being completly honest with girls and on how you perceive them etc?


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Background
I made out and did a bunch of shit with this chick that I really got a long with and have met on 2 occasions. I then tried to get her out (on the phone) but this girl made up some bullshit excuse to not go on a date and why she later didn't answer the phone. And we ended up texting for a bit.

My plan was just to next her but then I got kinda drunk one night and texted her like

Me:

Quote:

"meetup this weekend? Not gonna chase u around or be ur text buddy forever. aint gonna happen"

Then she eventually text me back after a week or so again asking me to hang out with her but then flakes on me with some bullshit-excuse again.

So then I got drunk and needy the same weekend and sent like

Me:

Quote:

"thought u were cool at first but seems to me u only want validation from me and ur wasting my time"

and then she apologized and told me she was going on a vacation for 2 weeks now but was going to hit me up after this.
Guess there is like a 0,1% to get something out from this so I was thinking about just giving her an ultimatum and just tell her to either meet up with me in the night life on a weekend or fuck off. How about that?


What's your thoughts on this kind of "no bullshit-game"?
Or would you say the best bet is just to play along with the shit and go silent a few days before I answer her and yadayada.

[kaotic]

Showing this shows weakness in game and insecurity in ones self.

I think "going nuclear" or giving ultimatums is the LAST RESORT. Even then I'd just next the girl, you're spending too much energy on thought on this one girl. Keep it moving and talk to other girls.

Quote:

So then I got drunk and needy the same weekend and sent like

NEVER do this man.

[Santoro]

Laugh and walk away. She gone!

If there was even a slight chance of her seeing you again, the ultimatum sealed your fate.

She wants to go, or she doesn't. If not her, another.

The fact that you think she would give any importance to your 'meeting 2 times' says, to me, that you might need a bit more experience. Welcome to your new home (assuming this isn't a troll )

[Mister X]

I run what I like to call "don't give a fuck game" the majority of the time. What that means is -- I say what I want to say, when I want to say to it; not in the hopes of getting a lay, but just laying down boundaries.

If you are trying to bang this chick, then do what you feel would lead to that -- only you know her. Some girls respond well to guys putting their foot down and calling them out, some get creeped out and go NC.

Typically, I'll be passive aggressive and say something sarcastically that lets them know I'm annoyed, but other times, I'll tell them off.

Life is too short to live my life based on trying to bang chicks. Either they make my life fun and exciting or they can fucking screw.

[OzzieBlue]

energy and attention flows where you focus on and vice versa its the principle of magnification I read that somewhere now I truly understand this principle. All that to say if you have to give her an ultimatum it shows you are way too invested in this interaction. Charge this L to the game and fadeaway you never know she may contact you and you my friend will get to gloriously clap dem cheeks.

[Bruno]

Yup. I'm certainly aware that I've made every mistake in the book with this girl and that's why I'm asking for help here.
Thing is that I'm normally never this needy at all. I've been out 15 times(!) last month and hooking up girls but this is a girl I actually saw wife potential in, so I started fucking things up with needy texts.

So the usual answer "just hit up more chicks" is not what I'm looking for here. Probably going out and hitting on more girls than most people here anyway.

(07-14-2014 05:22 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

I run what I like to call "don't give a fuck game" the majority of the time. What that means is -- I say what I want to say, when I want to say to it; not in the hopes of getting a lay, but just laying down boundaries.

If you are trying to bang this chick, then do what you feel would lead to that -- only you know her. Some girls respond well to guys putting their foot down and calling them out, some get creeped out and go NC.

Typically, I'll be passive aggressive and say something sarcastically that lets them know I'm annoyed, but other times, I'll tell them off.

Life is too short to live my life based on trying to bang chicks. Either they make my life fun and exciting or they can fucking screw.

Well. Apart from some needy texts that's the kind of game I've been running with her. Just not giving a shit basically. I might mention that I told her to fuck off once, that was in a state of not giving a shit but then I got kinda needy again when she apologized for not responding and yeah...

[WestIndianArchie]

Age old debate on whether you should play it cool, or play it tough.

Just in that frame of reference, I typically play it cool. But I've run into situations where I played it rough and it work, and times when I should have played it rough. Other times, I went hard and she bounced. It is what it is.

Lotta guys are obsessed with being the man a chick needs at the time, so that they can fuck them.

But you can't predict how a chick will react.

You do however have control over yourself, and can decide how you want to live your life. And by doing so, you do want you want, and live with the consequences.

Lotta guys would prefer to be fucking than to have their self respect.

It's up to you to make that choice.
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But the REAL problem is that you're not putting enough chicks in your pipeline.

And because no other broad warrants your attention, you're scheming up ways to get with this chick. This one broad got your dick hard, and now that's all you can think about.

Players have the reverse problem.

They don't have enough time for all the chicks they want to fuck and everything else they want to do with their lives. Chicks are coming up with ways to slide themselves into his life. A chick gets a taste of what you have to offer, and she wants more. So she's liking your stuff on Facebook, showing up at places you frequent, sending you texts....

That's where you should be putting your emphasis.

If you're young, work on filling the pipeline.

If you're old, REALLY WORK ON FILLING THE PIPELINE

These kinds of "disrespect" will sort themselves out.

You literally will never have this problem when you're running proper game. At best, it's an annoyance, an inconvenience, like ffwd'ing past the commercials on your DVR.

But right now some drunken make out session weeks ago is all you can think about. Your deep in the trenches of Thirst, and can't see straight.

This bitch ain't the only you can drink from.

WIA

[Bruno]

Yeah, you're right. I tell her that unless she turns up to my place, suck my dick and apologize on her knees she could fuck off basically

(07-14-2014 05:52 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

But right now some drunken make out session weeks ago is all you can think about. Your deep in the trenches of Thirst, and can't see straight.

Nah not exactly. She's best friend with a girl I know and came back to mine and we hanged out for about 5-6h and were flirting and actually having pretty deep conversations and she came off as a proper wife material. I mean, I wouldnt really care otherwise. Couldn't really make a proper move on her then because of this other girl we were with. But then I met her a few months after (because she came up to me and said she remembered me from that night) and then we made out on that other occasion. Maybe I came off as too much of a player then because I literally started to kiss her within like a minute and grabbing her ass and shit while she seemed to be like a very conservative and polite girl first time I saw her. She was sober, me almost.

[LeBeau]

^ Yeah I'm pretty sure you missed WIA's entire point with your new plan of action.

Given the background you've told us, a txt like that will almost never work in your favour.

[AneroidOcean]

(07-14-2014 06:01 PM)Bruno Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 05:52 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

But right now some drunken make out session weeks ago is all you can think about. Your deep in the trenches of Thirst, and can't see straight.

Nah not exactly.

Actually yes, EXACTLY.

You saw wife potential in a girl you hung out with once and then made out with.

You don't think you're deep in the trenches of thirst?

You do realize that if a girl wants to fuck you there aren't a lot of things that can possibly stop her? When a girl wants you and when a girl is wife material, they don't flake and they don't act half interested.

You're wrong. You're letting 1 small rejection/disinterest affect your entire judgement.

[Christian McQueen]

OP is a

It's obvious as hell.

[Bruno]

(07-14-2014 06:45 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  

Given the background you've told us, a txt like that will almost never work in your favour.

God. No, didn't say that I think that text was going to get me laid. I text that because I realize it's probably not gonna happen anyway and I might aswell just enjoy myself and text her some funny shit like that.

(07-14-2014 07:24 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

OP is a
It's obvious as hell.

Lol. Cause this is my first few posts or what? Whatever, promise I'm not, you downer. Not buying your fkin books now.
Trust me, this girl was nothing like all the other bar rats I've met. Fact that she's (or at least plays) hard to get might have turned me on aswell.
Would appreciate some serious input from you tho.

[Truth Teller]

Generally, when you start giving ultimatums, you've already lost the girl. I figured this out the hard way.

On another note, if you read Mark Manson's Models, he does a similar thing with girls who flake.

[Bruno]

(07-14-2014 07:16 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

You do realize that if a girl wants to fuck you there aren't a lot of things that can possibly stop her? When a girl wants you and when a girl is wife material, they don't flake and they don't act half interested.

I see what you mean but it also certainly depends. Most girls are flakey, it's in their nature. How often do you actually find a (goodlooking and decent) girl that is actually DTF? Well, not very often where I live, just ask RooshV.

I've ended up shagging girls in the end that acted half interested at first just because I've been pushing it to the bitter fu**ing end, so even tho it didn't really look like it wasn't gonna happen at first, I made it happen.
I mean, practically every girl you bring back to yours from a night out will have some excuse at first to why she should go back to her friends and yadayada, just have to push it hard and help her making up the rationalizations for herself to why she could go home with you without being a slut.