[Colt Underwood]

First off, I want to thank Roosh & the forum for the great amount of insight and value you have given me. I have taken away so much in just a short amount of time on the forum.

One idea I was curious about relates to a situation that a blue pill friend from my fraternity ran into. His girlfriend has whored him out of money and attention while she is probably riding the cock carousel behind his back...worst part is he just caves into her demands because he thinks she's "the one." It came to a head when he bought her concert tickets...she said she was too busy to go because of summer school...but 1 week later she's going on a 14 hour road trip to meet professors she had in Italy with some male/female friends..lol what a joke. She's probably going to get fucked.

Anyhow, my question is, how have you introduced red pill ideas to your own friends in the past? I'm thinking about showing him the forum and some of it's great posts or lending him a copy of Bang. Either way, just wanted to know what you guys have experienced.

He already knows I bang a lot of chicks because I've fucked a few off Tinder/SNL's at the bar. Want to do the right thing and have him swallow the red pill haha.

Thanks so much

[Cobra]

You seem to care about your friend and want to make the effort. So yes, introduce him but ...

(07-10-2014 11:52 PM)Colt Underwood Wrote:  

She's probably going to get fucked.

... this will happen many more times until he makes his own effort.

[BadWolf]

Don't unless he specifically asks about it.

Remember the prime directive.

[Colt Underwood]

Right, I think it is important anything happen as organically as possible, and I know I can't simply change his mind. It's painful to see people you're closer with exhibit pain-chilling beta behavior though haha, reminds me of myself not all that long ago(and a process I am still in need of leveling up & sharpening)
Thanks to you both so far for your perspectives.

[WilliamShatnersEgo]

You can't tell anyone anything. Demonstrate like a boss, walk the walk, be credible and people will notice and come to you.

[Dalaran1991]

You cant help those who dont want to help themselves, which mean all blue pill guys.

[Skotch]

I've been trying to convert a buddy of mine for a while... He's a natural with women (sometimes I steal the lines he comes up with when he's drunk), but he's super faggy about relationships. His last girl was a fucking nightmare. The new one is good so far, but I just know she'll have his nuts in her purse before long.

Thing is, every time I try to bring up red pill concepts, he rejects them. I try to insert them into discussions as organically as possible, but he just can't seem to handle it. One time I tried to talk about the cock carousel (in more gentle terms, of course) and he got really upset. I thought he was going to don a white suit of armor and run me through with a lance.

These guys are right. You can't force it. Until he hits a wall and looks for help on his own, you may have to watch him suffer.

[Cobra]

(07-11-2014 09:54 AM)Skotch Wrote:  

I thought he was going to don a white suit of armor and run me through with a lance.

[RURALGAMER]

I have a feeling that a lot if us here were aware of many red pill ideas or ways of thinking and ignored them for whatever reason....
When that's the case it's easier to fully accept the red pill.

Some guys are just fucking hopeless no matter how many times they get shit on

[Fortis]

Nothing you can do, bro.

I have a buddy who's as alpha as they come, but his step-son is rather beta. He was actually asking me how to help the kid become more alpha. I'm not alpha at all, but I'm closer in age to his step-son than I am to him. But all i could say was, "there isn't much you can do."

My cousins, dad and even my mom tried to give me the red-pill when I was 18, but I couldn't handle it.

My dad's redpill dating advice for me when i was 16, "take that girl out for food, bring her back home and fuck her. You can borrow my car. call her back if you want to." You can probably imagine that I couldn't handle that. You friend probably cannot handle the advice you dispense either. Let him get rolled enough times and he'll learn.

I have a friend much like your own friend: he's an alpha-beta as MikeCF might say. He's got so much going for him (Tall, french, mixed-martial artist, world traveler, natural with women), but he's such a pussy with women. HE actually recently broke up with his girlfriend (which I'm so thankful for) before she could lock him down, but then he got another fucking girlfriend. He told me "I thnk she's the one."

He's so fucking caught up that he can't see that he's giving away his value for bargain-bin prices. It's disappointing just because I see women literally swoon when he walks past them, but he decides to shack up with a 30 year old woman during some of his best years. In 2-3 years he'll be married, with kids to this woman who's well past the wall.

You cannot help your friend. All you can do it try to mitigate the damage by sticking around and telling him "I told you so" after he gets rolled by women.

[Cobra]

^^^ Fortis I enjoy your posts. Since I met you in person too they're very enjoyable to read knowing your personality.

[Fortis]

(07-13-2014 10:35 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

^^^ Fortis I enjoy your posts. Since I met you in person too they're very enjoyable to read knowing your personality.

Haha, thanks. Hopefully they're congruent with my personality.

[Colt Underwood]

Fortis,

That post was on point.

[Fortis]

Thanks. I'm glad you didn't think it was bitter or anything.

Ultimately, we can only work on ourselves, so we should make ourselves top priority (baring kids and such). Your buddy may come around, he may not.

[Colt Underwood]

As a side note, interesting to see your dad was fairly red pill in his behavior to you. I wonder how many members on the forum had weak blue pill fathers(like my own) or were raised in a red-pill household.

[Fortis]

I wasn't necessarily in a red-pill household. My dad was just a young alpha cad, is all. As opposed to a beta provider.

He's actually become more blue-pill with time, which is funny. But he has that general high-testosterone thing going on given the industry that he works in.

[Donkey_Riding]

(07-10-2014 11:52 PM)Colt Underwood Wrote:  

Anyhow, my question is, how have you introduced red pill ideas to your own friends in the past? I'm thinking about showing him the forum and some of it's great posts or lending him a copy of Bang.

Arrange a situation where you get video or pics of his gf cheating on him.

Make off-hand RP comments to him from time to time, and see if he bites. You can also offer directly, "If you ever want to talk to me about women, lmk and I'll hook you up with some resources."

The key is not to be pushy or try to argue with him. Simply put the offer out there so he can take you up on it if he's interested.