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Salvador, Bahia in Depth
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Salvador, Bahia in Depth

Warning: This is a very long and comprehensive observation/guide!

Greetings Gentlemen, with special salutations to Roosh for creating and fostering this community of worldly individuals with the goal of self-improvement and actualization; and salutations to Mixx and thegmanifesto for being recognizable and long-term community leaders.

I am a long-term lurker to the Rooshv/community forum (1.5 years) and longtime student of the PUA.game community (since 2006). I was a beta.whiteknight years ago during my middle/highschool years. I was fortunate enough to recognize then that I was headed down the wrong path in life; and attempted to begin my own recovery to manhood by military service from ages 17-21. Afterwards I traveled to California to get my head right after the war OIF (2003-2004) for two years.

I then went to college for a period of 7 years, earning a bachelor’s degree in Gerontology, then Spanish/Portuguese and a minor in French. (Long story) I traveled during that period to Australia, and studied in Norway and lived for a time in Germany and traveled to France, Denmark and Sweden.

During the latter parts of my second bachelor’s degree, I had the opportunity to travel to Brazil, for an intensive Portuguese program. I lived in Salvador, Brazil for a month and stayed with a host mother. It was a life changing experience very similar to when I studied in Europe. A year later, I would go back to Brazil with rotary international with a professional group study (vocational/cultural) exchange program. I stayed in the state of Sao Paulo, in middle to smaller cities during this program. A radically different experience than Salvador and surrounding cities. (More European influence)

I was there for a month, and I returned to Salvador for my own independent study of more advanced and day-to-day Portuguese. I am also working to establish connections both professional and personal for later experiences.

Biography: 31 y/o, Black, Army Veteran, Bachelor’s degree Gerontology, Spanish/Portuguese. Minor in Psychology/French. Fluent (depends on the day) in Spanish/Portuguese. Conversational in French. Worked in Sales for about 7 years now during and after university. Houston native.

Salvador in depth - General City information and Club Scene


I will not discuss the historical context of Brazil or Salvador, as it is boring and most of you gentlemen either already know it, or can find out about it on Wikipedia. I will focus on the ground reality of being here, with the context and bias coming from a Black American.

I live/d with my host mother (logistics be damned, the day to day practice of Portuguese and in-house orientation and connections I get from her is priceless) in the suburb of Graça, which is located about 20 minutes on foot from the coast in either direction as it is on the tip of the Salvador Peninsula. It would be considered a middle-class suburb; many high-rise condominiums, Bimmers, Mercs and Range Rovers out here. As I am sure most of you know, that means a large population of the “Lighter” skinned Brazilians; those of Portuguese, Spanish and Italian lineage.

Compared to most middle-class suburbs we in the west are accustomed to; Salvador would be a dump to a sheltered Westerner. If you are from an older city in the states, Salvador might not be so bad to you. The buildings are old, but look much older on the outside than they are due to poor material quality and very poor artisanship. The interiors are surprisingly pleasant; they are very modern, clean, and have a respectable level of quality to them. I would say the average Brazilian interior is cleaner and more refreshing than the average apartment interior in Houston. The roads are not well maintained, and they seem to stay dirty and trash is common. Anything lower than a middle class surburb in Salvador (and from other parts of Brazil from what I’ve seen) looks like the average street in Iraq. High-class suburbs tend to be very new and look like a master-planned suburb in the states. Interestingly enough, many very high class (375K $ +) condominiums exist in the same place as middle class suburbs as well.

Baianos themselves consider Salvador a rather dangerous city, and for people without cars traveling at night is something done only when needed and in specific areas on specific routes. Middle class and higher condominiums all have door attendants 24/7 and they also tend to have private security guards that roam neighborhoods as well. As a result, during night hours people will still take care of business (Shop/Gym) but again will stay along very specific routes that have friendly eyes present. People with cars will move about during all hours with ease.

This can make traveling and spending time in Salvador without a car very problematic especially with logistics. Taxis are common, but of course can get expensive and you have to be aware of drivers that will take you on a joy ride to get more money out of you. Salvador is deceptively spread out- points of interest are not really conveniently close by- and the bus rides can suck. The only exception I experienced was the new center comprised of Salvador Shopping and Shopping Iguatemi- new and incredibly nice areas/malls that attract some of the best looking women Salvador has to offer. The area is well-kept, well patrolled, very modern and middle to upper class. Worth a visit. Worth the blueballs.

In my observation, I would NOT consider Salvador an easy tourist destination. For government/military people I would say Salvador is a Hardship tour- appropriate for very advanced travelers, thrill seekers, or those who truly love all of Latin America and its cities. The only true “tourist” place is Pelourinho; and for the amount of danger, size, pan-handling, and hustling you have to endure being there, it’s a hard sell. Porto do Barra and Farol da Barra are destinations as well, but they are small strips of beaches and a few restaurants, worthy a small trip. However the State of Bahia is quite large, and the true beauty and the true fun to be had is not in Salvador, but in the numerous party islands and party cities that are sprinkled throughout the state.

Pelourinho (official cultural center of Salvador)

Pelourinho is the touristy/party place for foreigners (it does have a large neighborhood of working-class which makes it incredibly dangerous after dark). Brazilians sort of hang-out there, it does have some nice clubs and bars, but it can be a headache. People from Salvador (and the women you would typically want to game/enjoy) are going to hang out in Rio Vermelho and Pituba; which is larger than Pelo, safer, located in a much better area and is right on the ocean.

There are several bars/clubs in Pelo, which are very electric and downright fun. In addition, you are going to run into very authentic replicas of Carnival period music/drum groups of Olodum; which are to me galvanizing and awesome to experience. You can take a bus to Pelo, but by the time the average person wants to leave (3-4am) you’re going to need to take a taxi. Some of them will not turn their meter on and just charge you whatever they feel like, so you will need to haggle before you get it.

Pelo is incredibly dangerous (to foolish, travel newbies) at night outside of the main square adjacent to the Geronimo concert hall. You can actually see shadows lurking in the dark alleyways waiting for foolish tourists to stumble nearby, it’s some crazy shit. Geronimo concert clubs and the steps outside of it are places you must check out club wise in Pelo.

Geronimo itself has awesome live samba bands playing with some just wicked sexy Brazilian girls that dance there. Its hot, sweaty, packed and beer flows freely so it wont be hard to find a girl willing to dance ,provided you know how to samba. It can be a bit more difficult to dance samba with a girl since the structure of the dance does NOT require two people; unlike forro that can only be danced with a partner. The steps outside of Geronimo typically has live bands and samba dance offs between women. Its neat because the entire scene is located on steps, which can be a bit uncomfortable especially when you’ve been drinking, and it gets dirty and slippery as people drop beer cans. You also have to watch out for kids trying to rip you off and not give you the right change after selling the typical “5 reias for 3 mini-beer” offer.

Pelo typically will have the working class/favela level girls there. So 45% Morenas and 50% Negras/Mulatas with the rare %5 white Brazilian girl here and there. A must stop if you want to view the darker talent of Salvador.

Rio Vermelho

Popular with the locals, and college students, Rio Vermelho is the place to be at night when you’re in Salvador. It’s the most “bang for your buck” so to speak in times of proximity to bars/clubs/restaurants and it’s reasonably safe due to the constant traffic of people and varying social strata groups that come here. It has anything from hole in the wall clubs to posh clubs that most of us are probably used to. There are very neat outdoor only restaurants and general-purpose lounge areas where people gather outside seemingly in the hundreds and just sit around, drink and talk. It’s near the coast which gives the nice surf ambiance, its well-lit, has outdoor music if not live music, and all in all just a cool place to be at. 30 segundos and Commons Studio Car are both chic and relatively hip places to go for a familiar dance club scene. They are middle sized, clean and attractive to Baianos from all walks of life; they are a must visit a visit if you are in the area. Pestana, and Golden Tulip hotels are right across the street, and again; the outsides look ratty, but inside they are 4+ stars.

Brazilian Women

Let us take a moment to talk about physical characteristics of Brazilian Women. I speak of a sampling of women encountered in Salvador, Bahia and surrounding cities and several cities in the State of Sao Paulo.

Percentages change with location, remember in Brazil the further you venture away from the Northeast coast; the lighter skinned the women tend to be.

Bahia note** the further interior you go, the more ameri-indian/european mix the people tend to be

White Brazilians %40 (light olive to pale/pink) think Catia Carvalho

-Mostly concentrated in high to middle class strata
-Tended to look great/ have incredible figures
-Flat stomachs, curvy hips and fat asses (bubble-butts) everywhere
-Very feminine and well dressed
-most likely to speak English and have university America/Canada/Europe exposure
-Interracial relationships not very common (social-status groups)
-Social circle game seems to be king. It was common to see lame looking, fat, beer belly, no posture nerdy middle/upper class white Brazilian guys with –stunner 8, 9+- girlfriends. These girls will date jabba the hut before she ventures outside her social group. Bizarre, but its the culture.
-Social circle access cannot be stated enough as these girls tend to only date with in work/school/ family groups, very rarely date outside (confirmed this with several girls)

Morenas (Dark Brown all the way to Light Olive) %35 think Bianca Anchieta, Mariana Souza

-Ethnically diverse mixes of European/African/Amerindian

-Most diverse looking group
-Took good care of themselves on average, very good shape
-Very common, exist in most if not all social strata
-interracial relationships common (most flexibility as all color gradients are in family)
-Also tended to have the lovely flat stomach/bubble butt build

Negras/Mulatas (Dark brown to onyx Black) %25 Think Camila Silva

- (Observations based on Middle class area)
-Concentrated African blood, occasional ameri-indian influence
-Lowest social strata group, limited exposure as they are mostly in favelas, working class (some upper class)
-Not well kept on average **in Graca area (Fine girls still out there!) very rough looking and poorly dressed
-Hair and nails tended to not be up to par due to lack of money for salon trips
-Surprisingly, many are overweight**, nice figures were uncommon (poor diet, exercise [vegatables can be $$$])
**Note – Ironically, the further you venture out into the working class neighborhoods/favelas as well as the countryside/islands the better the black girls tend to look. I always wonder if the middle and upper class areas might selectively hire homely black girls.

Estado de São Paulo (São Carlos, Jaboticabal, Franca, Ribeirão Preto, Sertãozinho, Araraquara)

White Brazilian women
-65%-70%
-Same Characteristics as listed above with the exceptions
-Bodies tended to be less curvy and lither
-Existed in working classes more frequently
-Much more curious than Baianas (Combination of lack of blacks in the area and English knowledge)
-Fashion tended to be “European” like, less sultry

Morenas
-15%
-Same Characteristics as listed above with the exceptions
-Tended to occupy more of the working, lower middle class strata

Negras
-5%-10%
-Very different group than Baianas
-Lithe to curvy builds
-Working to middle class, but carried themselves well
-My understanding was very upwardly mobile
-Heavily concentrated in Factory work (very stable and reasonable work)
-On average a great deal sexier than the average girl from my sampling in Salvador (the island and interior cities match these girls)

What makes Brazilian women sexy?

The same thing that makes most other Latin-American women sexy. They have this Pride about them, this spirit of feminity that they are very in tune with. They greatly enjoy appearing, acting and –being- a woman. Brazilian women will go through great lengths to be attractive and feminine in –any- situation and honestly from every social strata. I have been at bus-stops in rough neighborhoods with girls going to work at a fruit stand smelling like the inside of a 5 star hotel and dressed like she is going to a ritzy club in that same hotel. Arguably the unique and seemingly endless admixtures of the people/women make Brazilians a bit more unique and jaw-dropping but that depends on your taste.

I’ve seen girls walk up hills that makes my thighs burn in tall espadrilles and pumps, in the rain still dressed to kill because it is a part of their very existence to be feminine, elegant and sexy (they are all one in the same). Only the most tired, wore out and defeated brasiliera will leave her home without looking and smelling her absolute best. I love it, and I respect it greatly. There is no excuse for other women (especially western women) to not follow that level of dedication to her appearance and pride. They are also in tuned to sultry and sexy attire, and any man familiar with women from Latin America will attest to their fashion sense in day-to-day life is much more provocative than most women on earth, with the exception of Eastern European women.

The beauty behind this, and arguably the best part of being a man in a Latin American country (other countries too) is this unanimous pride among women fosters incredible competition and thus lowers the “price” of each woman. There is no market-cornering (obesity is making this go away) phenomenon here like there is in the states, where out of every 10 women, atleast 5 will be obese (or close to it) 2 will just be busted, thus driving up the price and arrogance of the remaining ones. They can be arrogant and snooty because, American women for example, have so much less competition from their fellow women. They know this; and capitalize on it constantly. It makes dating in the states a headache; and requires a man have his A game and his shit together if he wants to be competitive for decent quality women.

This is why most prudent and wise men always warn of bringing a foreign girl/bride to the states. She will experience attention in ways she has never dreamed of, and unless she is incredibly devoted and loyal, she will be in jeopardy of changing to the very type of woman most men are trying to get away from. The attention will eventually get to her head, and the right smooth guy or beta sugar daddy will tempt her, eventually seeping into your relationship.

Women in other countries with high competition amongst themselves have a reputation of being modest and easy to talk to, and that is because of the competition. You would be an idiot to be a snooty bitch to a man who tries to talk to you when there are plenty of other girls out there just as sexy if not more so than you wanting attention. This also motivates male infidelity due to the abundance of sexy, fit women.


Let’s be real shall we gentlemen?

Everyone has this idea of bombastic badass Brazilian women (most likely seen in either funk carioca videos or porn) and just to echo most sensible observations, you need to realize those girls are handpicked and specifically recruited from all over the country. They are mostly found from cities of poor economic condition and villages from the country/islands. Additionally, they are recruited to VIP social gatherings and high-class galas and events for the enjoyment/match-making to wealthy/powerful Brazilian men. These are NOT girls you are going typically see on the streets or even the average Party Island. Not to say you will not find seriously gorgeous women in those locations because you definitely will, but Brazil is NOT filled to the brim with these dime pieces men love to rave about.

Brazil is just like any country, every-man is competing to bag/smash/wife up the Carnival queen 8,9s and 10s and competition can be just as engaging and difficult for the best the country has to offer. Be forwarned.

An assessment on gaming in Brazil

Read this link for another great angle, and very sound observations. He is very much spot on.


Honestly, it depends on a multitude of factors on your level of success with women in Brazil. This section will echo (There are certainly things that are shared among traveling abroad in Latin America) so advanced travelers can skip this part.

The main thing to take away when trying to come to Brazil to game women is to be honest with yourself to what you want. The reason for this is you need to set up your time here to maximize your results and it will be highly depend on what you are trying to accomplish. You will have a hard time if you come to Brazil for 2-3 weeks if you’re looking to smash 7+ garotas either closing her the same night or trying to close within a week or so going to all but a select group of cities. If you are looking for an eventual girlfriend/wife, it also will require a completely different approach.

Brazil has an undeserved reputation of having a hyper sexualized culture, most stereotypically mentioned has a country of Beautiful semi-naked brown skinned women dancing and relaxing on the beach waiting for men to take them; endless beaches with crystal blue, clear water (true for the coast, brazil is a huge country with snow-capped mountains and arid plains) and carnival that seems to go on forever with parties going on round-the-clock. This reputation is, I will be so bold as to claim, almost exclusively from sex tourists.

They seem to be the most vocal and energetic group to share about their experience of Brazil (undoubtedly from their fresh vigor and excitement of seeing and having sex with prostitutes***) with others who travel to Brazil reporting things that most other countries offer. (Friendly locals, interesting food and drink, fun music) The men who go to Brazil for sex are probably smashing girls they have only seen in Porn videos so it is like a “rebirth” for them so they are excited. (Blame it on Rio, smdh. These fools actually believe these girls are treating them nice because they –like- them, she’s a damn escort, of course she “likes” you, its that money!)

The reality is that Brazil is still a very conservative country that is still reeling from the effects of colonization and slavery. Brazil is unique in that it is the most upwardly mobile and one of the more wealthy LA countries (size) and the heavy influence and existence of slaved/Portuguese led brazil into a different path than the rest of LA. Due to the heavy catholic and new Evangelical movements here, women can be still very slow to jump into sexual relationships (they will make out/kiss quite however) and even more so the higher on the social strata you go. Many girls from conservative families will not be serial daters- leading to the best looking girls staying with their earliest boyfriends- never placing them on the open market.

Women still prefer to date mostly within their social groups and circles, social proof is still desired, powerful men will still get more opportunities, charisma is still king. Women are very close to their families, any many live with their families until marriage. This makes their mobility and ability to stay out late and not come home until the morning very dangerous to their reputation within their family and community, and many of these girls work uphold it. Nothing says she isn’t down for discreet action, provided your logistics and game and down.

I personally love Forro, a typical dance similar with Bachata that is common in the NE. Just like other dances, gaming a girl with your body is 75% more effective than trying to spit game or do the social “Jedi mind tricks” to get her interested in you from all the other men. Oddly enough, “game” as we know it is ineffective to these girls; simple conversation and being interesting will get you farther. Unless the girl has lived in the US or Canada for any length of time, her English is not going to be developed enough to understand and appreciate the subtlety that goes into “game”. She either won’t understand it, or will not understand the English you are using to speak to her with it.

Smile, smell good and be able to hold a conversation with a woman who gave you IOIs before hand seems to work. (From experience and from Brazilians- though I typically approach woman I am attracted too because I am either too stupid and dense to catch IOI’s or I’m not attractive enough for women to give them to me)

For dancing, if you are a semi-good dancer who can lead and make the dance with her fun over at-least two songs; gauge her body language. If she is smiling and clinging on to you, it’s a green light to take her off the floor for conversation. 80% of the “game” bullshit is done at that point because you have invoked her individual attention and (physical) attraction.

Its just up to you to keep the tempo of fun, increase physical contact, dance more (with her and others) be sure to try to make out with her at some point (the sooner the better) , and try to seal the deal and take her home at the end of the night. Even if she doesn’t want to go home to smash, or even watch a movie or talk, you will be on your way to doing something else very soon. I love dance, its so much easier to get women that way, and it exists for a reason; its less stressful and more natural.

**Important Note

Brazilians are a very proud people. They do have a sense of nationalism, and because of the relative optimism of the improving economic position of Brazil, the quality of life continues to increase. Despite the problems, there is not a huge sense of desperations for Brazilians to leave their country. Brazilians enjoy their weather, beaches, music, food and traditions (who the hell doesn’t like Carnival?) and are not just wanting to drop it to marry a gringo. I have never been to Colombia but have I read a lot about it here; and your typical man going to Colombia to mess with girls there is going to have a hard time in Brazil. Sure, you might find a low-end homely favela girl (the older they get the more desperate) wanting to get wife’d up but a girl with options is not going to be chomping at the bits.

From what I understand, gaming and getting with Colombianas (with good Spanish, apartment, some connections ) is like shooting fish in a barrel, but I suspect that is due to the desire for many of the poor barrio girls to marry up and out of Colombia. I don’t know if it’s the girls are inherently much more sexual (or a sexually open and fast culture) or they are using sex to try to get a gringo to fall for them.

The US and Brazil are slightly estranged, culturally and politically. (You can read why on Wikipedia) For these reasons, there really isn’t huge love for Americans from Brazilians; I cannot remember when I had a Brazilian actually excited that I was from the states, save from really young paulistas that were just excited I was a foreigner. What that means for you is something big, you will –not- have that instant exotic factor that most Americans tend to enjoy when traveling abroad, no matter what color you are.

Color doesn’t matter so much in Northeastern Brazil because every color exists. Your typical Brazilian girl has access to whatever color man she wants, and whatever body type she wants. There are plenty of blond hair and blue (light) eye men here, olive skinned men, onyx black men, of every gradient. So to my fellow black men, you won’t stand out to your average Brazilian woman from the northeast or even Rio at all, because there are plenty of black/moreno/mulato men out there, just as cut, muscular and charismatic as you. To throw salt in the wound, she is not going to be (unless you run into the rare one that likes US music and culture) impressed or care you are an American, and unless she is from at least middle-class strata she will more than likely not speak any English. This applies to white men too. Your color will affect how quickly someone will be to invite you to personal social circles. (Racism still exists, just less than the US. Remember to Demonstrate your value)

Now on a positive note, you can still run into girls who will just think you are attractive, who might think your Portuguese is cute, who might be curious to a foreigner or she might just be friendly and open to all. However that means you still need to exhibit qualities that any woman will like; charisma, confidence, aggression and aloofness. However, having woman all over your dick just because you speak Portuguese and are educated (You gotta bring charisma/game/knowing how to talk to them to the table) is just not going to happen. Southern Brazil will be a much better experience for men across the board regardless of color. Girls are typically introduced to English early, and are pushed to college. English is becoming standard in S. Brazil, and many girls have dreams of going to Europe or the US, giving the exotic value to you because you are of the places they dream about. Black / Darker men will enjoy an enhanced exotic factor due to scarcity in Southern Brazil.

I had a young (too damn young! 15! Italian/Spanish looking) girl at a school I was speaking at eye-hump me the moment she saw me, and keep staring at me until after my presentation was over. She blushed, looked coyly away, did all the typical stuff I imagine a woman attracted to a man would do. Women typically don’t look at me, I don’t consider myself an attractive man, I consider myself a man who has to use charisma and conversation to get with women. Anyway, after the class she told me in her broken English, “The second I saw you, I just felt I just had to talk to you” smiling, coyly playing with her hands and hair the whole time. I was so fucking mad. Had she just been 3 years older, I could have smashed her reasonably quickly.

So Black/Dark men, you can experience much easier things with the lighter women of Brazil if you get in the right place.

If she has been to the states before (Miami for shopping trips for example), You will have lost your exotic factor as she has had the chance to experience American men/dick if she chose to. She will be easy to speak with. Depending on how fine she is, you will need to approach her accordingly. Gaming her will still be easier as she is back competing with her countrywomen. You can probably game her like you would game a woman from the US, just don’t get to stupid on Negging. The more you can demonstrate you know about her culture the better.

On language. (The more English she speaks the less Portuguese you can speak and vice versa)

Just like any other country, your ability to speak their language is going to greatly affect your experience and access to social circles (pussy refrigerator). Brazil Is a country still estranged from the US and still has large segments (especially NE) that don’t’ speak English at all. Just to reflect on earlier, if you cannot speak Portuguese well, and you are not in an area with many middle-class and higher Brazilians, forget about getting with women without P4P. The high-class Brazilians and the super-bad middle class Brazilians are going to be incredibly tough to get at. Both socially and physically (Invite only, need to know only access clubs, social circle only dating) More average looking ones will be much easier.

When I was in Rio (just 2 days), I went to a place called the Balcony Bar. I won’t lie, I do P4P when I have struck out of gaming normally and I just want to smash foreign ass. I spent about 2 hours there waiting for talent I wanted to take to my hotel, and chatted up several working girls and just chilled. They were surprised that I spoke Portuguese, because the balcony bar is a place for foreigners looking for sex go, and told me all the places the natives go was in Ipanema. She also told me more on the nitty-gritty world of Rio and the sex industry too.

Again, unless she was a total whore, there was no way your average guy who speaks no/ weak Portuguese Is going to go to Rio and smash non-pro carioca HB7-9 girls in the course of 1-2 weeks. (IMHO) First of all, your typical carioca that speaks English is going to be from middle-class and up strata, she is probably not going to hang out in Copacabana and unless the guy has done his homework before, rented/owned an apartment, has an established social circle, speaks Portuguese, or/and is going back to Rio, it’s a hard sell for me to believe your typical guy will be there smashing non P4P cariocas. (I aint saying it hasn’t or wont happen, but I am saying I don’t believe its going down all the time) Brazilian girls love to make out with a guy very quickly, I experienced this several times, but getting the pussy is a whole different animal and they like to take their time. If she is a low-class carioca that speaks English, 9/10 times she is a working girl. Other posts about rio will show you the places you need to go for the middle-high class girls / university students.

**Party city and islands are an exception***

Party Islands

Party Islands and cities are the cats-meow when it comes to parting in Brazil. They are off the beaten path; I have yet to read a data-sheet on them. In my humble opinion, if you are coming to Brazil to relax and try to Smash Brazilian women, these are places you want to invest time. They are not easy to get to, and require much more planning (and some Portuguese) but are worth it.

The reasons are many. First is safety. Party cities/islands are normally no less than an hour outside the city limits of Salvador (they exist all over Brazil) and the package price of making an excursion out there keeps 90% of the “undesirables out” (your typical favela punk/ or low class degenerate youth) Party islands are inaccessible (duh) by car, and typically require no less than 3 hours to get to. Party Cities are typically non-accessible by bus; further limiting clients. This is very important because due to the financial screening to go there, women (and the ambiance in general) are/is relaxed and feel(s) safe; which loosens them up greatly. In a city like Salvador, danger after dark is a headache for women especially those without cars. It produces logistical issues if the man doesn’t have a car and keeps women on their toes even in the clubs.

The second reason you want to head to party locals is that women can easily disconnect from their normal routine and reality. This allows them to mentally/emotionally do this things they normally would not do; Party hard, Sex with a foreigners. Additionally because they are not on their home turf, walks of shame are less of an issue because they can be relativity anonymous on them (as well as very safe). They won’t have to worry about the local baker, shop-keep, or retired lady seeing them walk home at 6:30am with their hair fucked up, clothes loose and missing makeup, which are juicy gossip topics for people without shit to do.

The third reason you want to head to party locals is logistics. Party locals usually were small towns built around industries that don’t keep them afloat or exist anymore. They had natural beauty, good weather and low crime so owners rented out their homes and allowed people to come experience a more “innocent form of life” This means towns are small, and fun things to do are never very far from hotels/hostels/homes. Cars are allowed in the land cities, and everything is quickly accessible on foot. Partying hard, meeting a girl and wanting to bring her back to your room is quick, simple, discreet and easy. Her going back to her room the morning after is also safe and easy. Women like safe and easy.

The forth reason you want to head to party locals is the women. Women who have their shit together or come from well-to-do families will typically be there, as well as other tourists and even the local women are fair game (Morenas/Negras- the simple, country, salt of the earth sexy ones I adore) You are going to run into tons of women from southern Brazil first, Europe second, and the rest of LA/NA third. Unfortunately, the baddest ones you will see will typically be with their boyfriends/husbands/sugar daddies but there will be plenty of sexy (remember Latinas like sexy) ones there as well. Again, typically the darker ones there will not be vacationing, but will be local girls (they are awesome too). Take care because there will be some P4P girls there too, and they will not be hard to spot. (Two girls in incredibly skimpy clothes, high-heel pumps patrolling about for example) If you strike out, hit one of them up, they can do you right too. (You can have her/them for the night if you want) The good thing is if you’re into those Bronze haired/skinned girls from S. Brazil you will find plenty as well, not as many as in Santos or Porto Alegre/Florianópolis/Belo H however.

The fifth reason you want to go to the party locals is for the raw Natural beauty. These places are just damn gorgeous. Typical tourist locations you see on post cards and travel brochures. Unlike places in lets’ say, northern Mexico or central America where you take grave risk leaving the compound; these places are isolated from Juan Q Publico, and the locals are peaceful people, making a decent life in a beautiful location. They do not want to fuck it up, and because they are not hurting for money, they are at peace and partying, they are fine. These means for you is that you (and your lady) can enjoy all of the stunning blue water, or arid plains/mountains/lakes in peace and harmony. You have access to simply delicious fresh fruits and buffet meats that I feel just helps you shed weight and refresh your body. You will not have an annoying kid man chase and chastise you pandering over-priced junk. (Gift shops exists though)

Morro de Sao Paulo

My love so far of North Eastern Brazil tied only with Lençóis, MSP is the iconic getaway and return to a simpler life. A Series of islands with seemingly endless beaches and crystalline blue water. This Wiki-Travel document explains MSP very well with things to do, sleep, and eat. Just keep what I said previously in mind. It’s very well worth a visit. My host sister invited me to a private birthday party for one of her girlfriends so I didn’t see as much of the island as I liked. Its very large, and has long stretches of beach with nothing but clubs and bars lined up. I want to re-emphasize, most of these bars/clubs (baladas,boates,clube in Portuguese) are no more than a 15 min walk to most of the hotels/hostels (pousadas). Getting a girl who is down to your room is cake.

Morro de Sao Paolo

Boipeba

A rather untouched island getaway (literally, it’s a sparsely populated island south of Morro de Sao Paulo) that’s best accessed by boat. Due to its remoteness, it offers seriously breathtaking views of nature, white sand and clear water. When you go to MSP it’s a must visit. There are very small places to stay there and places to ear should you choose to remain there the night. 3-4 hour trip, most common being either a straight shot ferry, or a ferry-bus-boat combo. This is more of a place you vacation with a girlfriend/wife.

Praia do Forte

About 1.5 hour bus ride outside of Salvador, Praia do Forte is home of an aquatic life conservatory, an historical manor, church(these are everywhere) and a very long very beautiful beach. The advantage of P.d.F is its proximity to Salvador- it is the closest of the getaway spots and if you are on a time-crunch and budget, it’s a bargain. All the same rules of women apply.

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Lençóis

Tied with MSP as my favorite place in Latin America so far (Rio is damn close for the beauty and architecture and bossa nova scene) It is very un-like what most people think of Brazil. It is a 6 hour trip inland; located in a part of the country that looks like new Mexico or Arizona. No ocean here, it is very mountainous with forests, desert and arid plains all situated in surrounding area. It gets very cool at night, and is pleasant during the day.

The city of Lencois itself has a constant level of travelers, but the Brazilian women there were so wholesome and simple, they just took my breath away. Be wary though, the girls out here have the bodies of women. It is very easy to mistake a 14-16 year old at night during a Forro festival for a 19 year old and some people can get irate to see a grown man encroaching on a young girl even for such a fun event. If she is 18 though its fair game, younger; be-careful. Brazilian girls aren’t caught up on age but legally be safe and from her parents too.

I want to touch on a topic briefly. On the weekends, Lencois has forro festivals/dances that literally the entire town attends (foreigners too depending) Everyone just drinks and talks and dances with one another from all ages. What’s interesting is the seemingly structured preparation for young men and women to be paired up in these dances. You will see many young girls (and cowardly boys) patiently waiting to find a partner to dance, with family members and friends hunting for a mate. Forro can be take many forms, but ultimately it is a very sex saturated dance that if done properly will have a girl climaxing in your arms during the dance because her appropriate place is with her clit on your thigh (like bachata) There is no club stunting, shit-talking, cars are prohibited from the city center, it’s incredibly safe and an experience I would implore every man seek out at least once in life. This is true for other small rural towns all throughout Brazil's interior.

I will write about the cities of Sao Paolo state if requested.

***Edit*** I will post about Navigating/Exploring the favelas soon; as they are worth a mention and comprise large sections of the city.
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Damn that was amazing, newbies are coming strong lately.

Welcome to the board, hope you share more stories.

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Salvador, Bahia in Depth

Likely the best & most unabashed well-rounded perspective on Brazilian women.

Will comment in greater detail once i get access to my cpu

Edit: Got any info on Campinas or Campos do Jordao in Sao Paulo?
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Very good, I am actually impressed on how well you wrote a Salvador (Brazil datasheet) knowing that you only spent there a month.

But just few things, Salvador is actually one of the easiest cities in Brazil to game, sure in other parts of the country women are more conservative but if you are out there most of the time in Salvador, Salvador shouldn't be a tough place to crack. Another thing, were you driving while you were there? That could completely change your impression about the women, when you are driving in Salvador women become WAY easier to game.

You didn't say anything about Itapuan, not sure how Itapuan is now but shit used to be popping everyday. You also get to experience the real Salvador there. Liberdade is another place to check out but that's straight hood, I wouldn't recommend it unless you like that type of environment and have local friends from there. Me personally I enjoy hood spots.

The thing I really wanted to say is that I don't think anywhere in Colombia is easier than Salvador. One night stands in Colombia are very uncommon, I was there for 3 months and I only had one night stand. I confess I stopped going out at night after the first month and a half, but I doubt things would have changed much. I remember reading a report here from a guy who spent a month in Cali and was claiming to have fucked 11 girls. I mean,I do know that we have different tastes on the forum and what is hot for me is not hot for some people and the opposite can be said about these other people, however I doubt anybody in Cali without deep connections in the country is fucking 11 women a month , I don't care if he had really low standards, that shit was not happening. I am a numbers guy and I didn't fuck more than 3 girls every month and I approached hard, I approach way more than the average guy. I seriously doubt anybody on the forum approaches more than me. So a guy that was probably not approaching much was fucking 11 girls a month, who was this guy? Even if he was Brad Pitt, that shit was not happening lol.

A lot of guys fuck escorts and they claim it was a legit bang, if you fucked an escort that shit shouldn't count at all. Reason why I like Roosh, he is probably one the few people in the manosphere that will keep that shit real and tell you when he had success and when he didn't. That type of honesty is hard to see online.

Great write up, I am impressed.
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Salvador, Bahia in Depth

Sick data sheet


Pitt are you a white guy?
I am thinking gaming in Bahia will be c different if you are northern European looking v African looking
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Pitt-

It sounds crazy, but I didn't really come back to Salvador looking to smash out tons of broads. I had a couple of girls I had met last year lined up to come back to, and I linked up with one and the others fell off the radar (Family holidays). I decided to sacrifice this trip and just cut my teeth of mastering the language and day to day life and knowledge of the city. I plan on doing a complete turn around on the next trip though and spend more time trying to enjoy the women.

Right now, its the winter and many families are either traveling or spending time in the interior cities rather than hanging/partying in the city. During the summer (our winter) all of the beaches are sick, and Salvador has one of the longest consistent coastal beaches in the region, all open to the locals. So, to answer your question; its pretty dead right now.

Any guy in Salvador that somewhat has his life/finances in order has a ride. Salvador really isn't a pedestrian friendly city. The heat, danger, crazy drivers and spread out locals of interest make walking a chore. A car completely changes your life here (like most places) and yes sir, you are right in that life and gaming changes dramatically when you have access to a vehicle; as many venues do not have bus routes near them. Again, i am still learning where the really nice off-the-track places are, especially those of middle class and up clients. Its not an automatic pussy magnet; but helps for logistics, and exposure.

Brosemite, I dont have information of those locals; i stayed in São Carlos, Jaboticabal, Franca, Ribeirão Preto, Sertãozinho, Araraquara and Cristais Paulista.
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Salvador, Bahia in Depth

Incredible data sheet.
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Salvador, Bahia in Depth

Anthony Bourdain did a show here in his parts unknown series on CNN,,,for those who want more info.
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My input to your great report.

Quote: (07-09-2014 08:11 PM)ameriveaux Wrote:  

Baianos themselves consider Salvador a rather dangerous city, and for people without cars traveling at night is something done only when needed and in specific areas on specific routes. Middle class and higher condominiums all have door attendants 24/7 and they also tend to have private security guards that roam neighborhoods as well. As a result, during night hours people will still take care of business (Shop/Gym) but again will stay along very specific routes that have friendly eyes present. People with cars will move about during all hours with ease.

Met other coastal and interior-based Baianos that have voiced the same thing to me.

Quote: (07-09-2014 08:11 PM)ameriveaux Wrote:  

This can make traveling and spending time in Salvador without a car very problematic especially with logistics. Taxis are common, but of course can get expensive and you have to be aware of drivers that will take you on a joy ride to get more money out of you. Salvador is deceptively spread out- points of interest are not really conveniently close by- and the bus rides can suck. The only exception I experienced was the new center comprised of Salvador Shopping and Shopping Iguatemi- new and incredibly nice areas/malls that attract some of the best looking women Salvador has to offer. The area is well-kept, well patrolled, very modern and middle to upper class. Worth a visit. Worth the blueballs.

I will make it a point to Salvador Shopping and Shopping Iguatemi when/if in Salvador...that is if I stay there long-term...but would rather put in those days on the coasts of Bahia even if it means being alone enjoying nature & safety.

Quote: (07-09-2014 08:11 PM)ameriveaux Wrote:  

In my observation, I would NOT consider Salvador an easy tourist destination. For government/military people I would say Salvador is a Hardship tour- appropriate for very advanced travelers, thrill seekers, or those who truly love all of Latin America and its cities. The only true “tourist” place is Pelourinho; and for the amount of danger, size, pan-handling, and hustling you have to endure being there, it’s a hard sell. Porto do Barra and Farol da Barra are destinations as well, but they are small strips of beaches and a few restaurants, worthy a small trip. However the State of Bahia is quite large, and the true beauty and the true fun to be had is not in Salvador, but in the numerous party islands and party cities that are sprinkled throughout the state.

Noted...I can't imagine the harassment & cat calls I'd get with my East Asian looks lol.

Quote: (07-09-2014 08:11 PM)ameriveaux Wrote:  

Brazilians are a very proud people. They do have a sense of nationalism, and because of the relative optimism of the improving economic position of Brazil, the quality of life continues to increase. Despite the problems, there is not a huge sense of desperations for Brazilians to leave their country. Brazilians enjoy their weather, beaches, music, food and traditions (who the hell doesn’t like Carnival?) and are not just wanting to drop it to marry a gringo. I have never been to Colombia but have I read a lot about it here; and your typical man going to Colombia to mess with girls there is going to have a hard time in Brazil. Sure, you might find a low-end homely favela girl (the older they get the more desperate) wanting to get wife’d up but a girl with options is not going to be chomping at the bits.

Very true. Despite paying high prices for everything, they can just visit the US for cheaper name brands whether it be Miami or a relative working/living somewhere while coming back home to live in what feels to be the most comfortable place for them. Common sentiment of most Brazilian women I know.

Quote: (07-09-2014 08:11 PM)ameriveaux Wrote:  

Color doesn’t matter so much in Northeastern Brazil because every color exists. Your typical Brazilian girl has access to whatever color man she wants, and whatever body type she wants. There are plenty of blond hair and blue (light) eye men here, olive skinned men, onyx black men, of every gradient. So to my fellow black men, you won’t stand out to your average Brazilian woman from the northeast or even Rio at all, because there are plenty of black/moreno/mulato men out there, just as cut, muscular and charismatic as you. To throw salt in the wound, she is not going to be (unless you run into the rare one that likes US music and culture) impressed or care you are an American, and unless she is from at least middle-class strata she will more than likely not speak any English. This applies to white men too. Your color will affect how quickly someone will be to invite you to personal social circles. (Racism still exists, just less than the US. Remember to Demonstrate your value)

Ability to speak Portuguese will be the ultimate barrier crosser in these situations. That and demonstrating not just A) Value, but B) Charisma no matter what color you are. Right now..I'm tutoring a Portuguese student who is in his late 30's married with two kids as he's finishing his degree in hopes of doing international business in Brazil through his own endeavors. In terms of just "building contacts" and "making friends," he seems to think that Brazil is a paradise for those that have had difficulty in their current surroundings. Dead wrong.

If you can't meet new people, maintain great friendships, demonstrate value, and influence others in your current surroundings..then how do you plan on doing those things in "greener pastures" via Brazil or some other place? People gravitate towards others they perceive to bring value into their lives. Brazil is no different than any other place in the world with regards to that.

Quote: (07-09-2014 08:11 PM)ameriveaux Wrote:  

Now on a positive note, you can still run into girls who will just think you are attractive, who might think your Portuguese is cute, who might be curious to a foreigner or she might just be friendly and open to all. However that means you still need to exhibit qualities that any woman will like;charisma, confidence, aggression and aloofness. However, having woman all over your dick just because you speak Portuguese and are educated (You gotta bring charisma/game/knowing how to talk to them to the table) is just not going to happen. Southern Brazil will be a much better experience for men across the board regardless of color. Girls are typically introduced to English early, and are pushed to college. English is becoming standard in S. Brazil, and many girls have dreams of going to Europe or the US, giving the exotic value to you because you are of the places they dream about. Black / Darker men will enjoy an enhanced exotic factor due to scarcity in Southern Brazil.

In terms of the south, i've been to Parana, Rio Grande do Sul, and Santa Catarina as I would whole-heartedly disagree about high English levels. In relation to the Northeast? It's probably higher with regards to what you have experienced. But English levels all across the board in places I've been in such as Sao Paulo, Minas Gerais, and the three southern states will be non-existent.

I have a Gaucha and a Catarisense flag & gotta say people from those two states will be curious about Asian guys since there aren't so many of them there. Parana can be a little trickier (much like Sao Paulo) because of the Japanese immigration making me less exotic...not hard places, but the exotic factor is essentially "nil" for me in those locales.

I agree that a native English speaking black man who dresses tight and speaks Portuguese will have success in Southern Brazil as the exotic factor means more. I saw many black men in Porto Alegre with gorgeous blondes, but those dudes were native Portuguese speakers who probably possessed social circle advantages.

I've met several Nordestina gals in Dallas as they all had one thing in common. Married to Joe Blow super rich Caucasian guy because they are harder to find in the Northeast of Brazil.

Quote: (07-09-2014 08:11 PM)ameriveaux Wrote:  

If she has been to the states before (Miami for shopping trips for example), You will have lost your exotic factor as she has had the chance to experience American men/dick if she chose to. She will be easy to speak with. Depending on how fine she is, you will need to approach her accordingly. Gaming her will still be easier as she is back competing with her countrywomen. You can probably game her like you would game a woman from the US, just don’t get to stupid on Negging. The more you can demonstrate you know about her culture the better.

Exactly. Much of these Brazilian chicks who visit the US typically go with their families, cling onto them, and rarely step out of their comfort zone despite high proficiency English. Just game them accordingly while in Brazil & demonstrate your value.

Now if they're fluent English speakers that have "lived" in the US for some time but now are now back residing in Brazil...then you'll have more difficulty with them. Most of them are in high class social circles where they'll just find a Brazilian guy from a well-known family who happens to speak English well.

Quote: (07-09-2014 08:11 PM)ameriveaux Wrote:  

Just like any other country, your ability to speak their language is going to greatly affect your experience and access to social circles(pussy refrigerator). Brazil Is a country still estranged from the US and still has large segments (especially NE) that don’t’ speak English at all. Just to reflect on earlier, if you cannot speak Portuguese well, and you are not in an area with many middle-class and higher Brazilians, forget about getting with women without P4P. The high-class Brazilians and the super-bad middle class Brazilians are going to be incredibly tough to get at. Both socially and physically (Invite only, need to know only access clubs, social circle only dating) More average looking ones will be much easier.

Hammering down the truth once more. Portuguese is everything.

Quote: (07-09-2014 08:11 PM)ameriveaux Wrote:  

Party Islands

Party Islands and cities are the cats-meow when it comes to parting in Brazil. They are off the beaten path; I have yet to read a data-sheet on them. In my humble opinion, if you are coming to Brazil to relax and try to Smash Brazilian women, these are places you want to invest time. They are not easy to get to, and require much more planning (and some Portuguese) but are worth it.

The reasons are many. First is safety.
The second reason you want to head to party locals is that women can easily disconnect from their normal routine and reality.
The third reason you want to head to party locals is logistics.
The forth reason you want to head to party locals is the women.
The fifth reason you want to go to the party locals is for the raw Natural beauty.

I kept this short & deleted your descriptions, but it's all true. Just gotta be careful with logistics because some of these "vacation towns" like say Florianopolis for example will be spread out and inconvenient. You have hot spots there like Lagoa da Conceicao, but it wont work because A) local girls concerned with their reputation go there, B) tourist girls there are English speakers (bangable), and C) there are NO hotels/Airbnb apts around. Only solution in this instance for that city would be Jurere Internacional in terms of banging vacationing Brazilian broads looking to get down.

Reason #1 Safety - Yep bang on. Women visiting "can" let loose without consequences of danger.
Reason #2 Vacation Mode - No reputation at stake here.
Reason #3 Logistics - Like I said research in advance & get a good feel for the place. Vacation towns CAN possess bad logistics so buyer beware.
Reason #4 Women - High end women..girl packs...yes there will be some with their sugar daddys, but there will be plenty of single ones too.
Reason #5 Beauty - Why I want to visit the beaches of Bahia and go to Campos do Jordao in Sao Paulo.
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Finally, a comprehensive Salvador Bahia datasheet. +1 from me. I'm trying to get to Brasil in the next year or so as a first-timer. I prefer mulatas and brown skinned women but if you're saying black men would be more exotic in the South, then I would go there. If the white women have big ass say in like Belo Horizonte, then I am with it.
But hey, thanks for adding to the confusion on where to go. haha
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Great post man. Carnival 2012 in Salvador was one of the best times of my life. Haven't been back to the Nordeste since then (except for a 2 day conference in Fortaleza where I didn't leave the resort), but would love to do some exploring of the coastline from Bahia all the way through Amapa.

So much worthy of further discussion... but I'd like to explore this point.

Quote: (07-09-2014 08:11 PM)ameriveaux Wrote:  

Racism still exists, just less than the US.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Brazil, to me, is much more racist that the US. However, I'm a white guy living in the south so our experiences are probably very different, but here are several anecdotes:

- I've been in dozens of meetings with banks and investors in SP and the only black people I saw were either cleaners or fetching coffee (not even secretaries).
- I've never seen a mixed race couple walking around on Rua Oscar Friere or other high end neighborhoods in SP.
- A mulatta girl that I dated would only date white guys, and the last white dude she dated broke up with her because his mom wouldn't let him date black chicks (wanted her grand kids to have good hair).
- A mulatta girl I know was buying shampoo and the cashier chick told her she couldn't afford it... this girl happens to be a law professor.
- I received more compliments for my blue eyes here in 6 months than in 32 years in the US.
- Blonds are worshipped here. A high status guy is much more likely to be with an average looking blond than a hot morena or bombshell mulatta / black girl.

Brazil has only really had economic mobility for the last 20 years so that fact that the Europeans that came here were given land and the Africans that came here were forced to work on it still reverberates much more strongly today than it does in the US. The black Brazilian middle class is nearly non-existent. Brazil, post slavery, also never had institutionalized racism like the US did in the south and as a result never cultivated strong black anti-segregation leaders like Malcom X or Martin Luther King Jr.
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Quote: (07-12-2014 11:06 AM)champ Wrote:  

Quote: (07-09-2014 08:11 PM)ameriveaux Wrote:  

Racism still exists, just less than the US.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Brazil, to me, is much more racist that the US. However, I'm a white guy living in the south so our experiences are probably very different, but here are several anecdotes:

Good point. I wouldn't necessarily say more racist but possesses a different type.

Quote: (07-12-2014 11:06 AM)champ Wrote:  

- I've been in dozens of meetings with banks and investors in SP and the only black people I saw were either cleaners or fetching coffee (not even secretaries).

Not to mention the only black people on TV are athletes or musicians. Actors & journalists? Always typically of European descent.

Quote: (07-12-2014 11:06 AM)champ Wrote:  

- I've never seen a mixed race couple walking around on Rua Oscar Friere or other high end neighborhoods in SP.

In my short 5 day stay in Sampa..I didn't see any mixed race couples period. It was more prominent for me to see it in Southern Brazil however. Not sure if I was gringo or Asian..but I got a lot of dirty looks from Paulistanos who would acknowledge me with an appearance of disdain...and then proceed to ignore me in a pre-meditated manner. Chicks in the city were pretty cool however.

Quote: (07-12-2014 11:06 AM)champ Wrote:  

- I received more compliments for my blue eyes here in 6 months than in 32 years in the US.

Funny enough, Brazilians openly pride themselves based on A) how much European descent or B) what type of European descent they possess. Have met a few gals that looked predominantly of Amerindian descent but claimed to be of Italian/Russian blood. Adriana Lima typically doesn't mention her African descent and always indicates a mix of Swiss/Italian whereas the famous footballer Ronaldo denies having African blood.

Quote: (07-12-2014 11:06 AM)champ Wrote:  

Blonds are worshipped here. A high status guy is much more likely to be with an average looking blond than a hot morena or bombshell mulatta / black girl.

There will be many more single gorgeous blonde women in São Paulo, Belo Horizonte, or Porto Alegre (maybe even Curitiba too) based on my experiences. If you see a decent looking blonde chick in Rio de Janeiro, not only will she be taken by a Mr. High Status but also possess the largest friggin rock possible on that 4th finger of her left-hand. "Girl from Ipanema" was basically a song written from a Carioca perspective pedestalizing the rare blonde girls seen in Rio, haha.
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I appreciate the replies gentlemen, love the different perspectives and experiences.

I just want to again make note that this is a very much bias report- The reactions and doors that will be presented to me even as a Black American will be much different from my White/Nordic countrymen/cousins. Work with what you have..

I am "seeing" a mulatta right now who only prefers black men (She is enamored with Terry Crews) and her morena girlfriend will only date white men- typical nordic guy. I simply have not lived here long enough and interacted enough with people to have a very strong "idea" on the tastes of the people here. In situations where I can prove I am an "middle/upper class" american (For example in the gym where I live is very expensive and only middle++ baianos go there, ie. morenas/whites) they warm up and start getting curious.

For the racisim, I should of noted that I believe the racism is different insofar as its more tied (echoing other posters) with class , more than simply color. Although due to social pressures I believe even if a white Baiana was presented with the chance to date a middle/upper class black (even from the US) she would be very much shy due to the "what will my family/friends think" issue. I am sure many families enjoy their white blood-line and do not wish to pollute it at all. Morenas/Mulatas I think can and are more flexible and open, but again , many of them want to "move up" and they simply cant get the idea of a well-to-do black man, period. Even if he is not Brazilian.

In the south, its different because of the lack of Contrast and hence "pride" of being better then those "blacks". True, I believe alot of the paulistas and S.Brazilians enjoy their european lineage, but like whites from the north and midwest/west in the USA, i think they are innocent/naive to the day to day dealings with blacks, making them a bit more open to the idea of having one around and even getting with one. I seriously had strong attention from those girls down there, gorgeous bronzey/olive skinned whites/morenas.

It all depends on how you meet them- I was with Rotary Int. and as im sure you know its primarily filled with MDs, Lawyers, Business types. I would meet these girls at those functions, or be giving presentations and just being there with that Background demonstrated that I wasnt just a street-trash n****. That could of definitely changed hearts, minds and loins.


UPDATE to DATA SHEET

Cafe Lagoa- Next to BFG Servicios de Cobranca-

Typical outdoor cafe/boate- but is located right next to a pre-vestibular course so it is filled with 18-20 year Baianos/Baianas that are either preparing to go, or wanting to drink/relax after class. I was there on a friday night and while there is nothing particularly special besides the safety and constant young people was just the talent was out of this freaking world.

I have to eat my words on Salvador; there wasn't models parading around but IMHO solid 7-9's all night. The kind of girls that have that peanut butter/honey colored skin, dark blonde/brown hair and those athletic bodies with fat round asses. It just made me mad. What was funny was the girl im seeing is incredibly jealous so if i even glanced in the way of another girl she would get pissed and say "Oh, so you like her? Why dont you go get her there then ? Do you want to fuck her?" I was like bich, calm down..[Image: tard.gif] It was cool though, we got to talking about eating pussy/ass and other fun stuff so I forgave her.

Girls here and I suspect other girls in LA get jealous like this because there is so much competition due to so many other fine ass girls , they have to stay on their toes and be worried their man will want to cheat.

But to answer the question "Do white girls in Salvador have ass? " I say HELL YES they do.

However, another tidbit on Salvador/Brazil. The amount of beautiful women/girls you see past age 22-35 on the road dries up immensely. You will see a metric ton of busted, homely 27+ women walking the streets due to.

1. Men with means (Cars) do not want them
2. Men with means snatch up the fine girls, and so the pretty girls 22+ tend to always be in cars (not all)
3. Older/non pretty women seem to be confined to menial low paying jobs and cant afford cars
4. Around age 22 on average, most girls get married/pregnant and dont move around on foot often

Certainly these are by no means absolutes, but just observations..

Any color you like!!
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Quote: (07-12-2014 02:48 PM)ameriveaux Wrote:  

For the racisim, I should of noted that I believe the racism is different insofar as its more tied (echoing other posters) with class , more than simply color. Although due to social pressures I believe even if a white Baiana was presented with the chance to date a middle/upper class black (even from the US) she would be very much shy due to the "what will my family/friends think" issue. I am sure many families enjoy their white blood-line and do not wish to pollute it at all. Morenas/Mulatas I think can and are more flexible and open, but again , many of them want to "move up" and they simply cant get the idea of a well-to-do black man, period. Even if he is not Brazilian.

Funny enough..when Brazilians come to the US..they assume any black person with a car is rich and say to themselves "wow..we can't believe there are so many black people with money here in the US." I can't relate to what you said personally...but the comment in bold correlates to something voiced by the Portuguese department in my university.

You're dead on about Brazilian women wanting to move up in society by dating "up." Especially if it's a Nordestina..least in the US..they will pick the most ignorant Joe Blow guy who's easy to take advantage of and use their status as "Brazilian" to their advantage.

Quote: (07-12-2014 02:48 PM)ameriveaux Wrote:  

In the south, its different because of the lack of Contrast and hence "pride" of being better then those "blacks". True, I believe alot of the paulistas and S.Brazilians enjoy their european lineage, but like whites from the north and midwest/west in the USA, i think they are innocent/naive to the day to day dealings with blacks, making them a bit more open to the idea of having one around and even getting with one. I seriously had strong attention from those girls down there, gorgeous bronzey/olive skinned whites/morenas.

Exactly why "minorities" in the west that speak Portuguese should head to certain parts of Southern Brazil. I'm in that same boat as well though I have that exotic E. Asian factor working in Rio or Belo Horizonte too.

Funny enough, the Southern Brazilian chicks living in DFW that I know are married to A) Middle Easterner, B) Chilean, C) Frenchman of African descent, and D) Central American. That is if they're not here with their Brazilian husbands that relocated here for work. They say opposites attract....
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Salvador, Bahia in Depth

Quote: (07-12-2014 12:41 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

In my short 5 day stay in Sampa..I didn't see any mixed race couples period. It was more prominent for me to see it in Southern Brazil however. Not sure if I was gringo or Asian..but I got a lot of dirty looks from Paulistanos who would acknowledge me with an appearance of disdain...and then proceed to ignore me in a pre-meditated manner. Chicks in the city were pretty cool however.
I don't know too much about Brazilian views towards Asians. Two experience I do remember:
1 - searching for Korean BBQ in Sao Paulo I had a chick say to me "eww Koreans are dirty"
2 - a Filipino friend of mine was visiting and a chick told him he looked like a ping pong player (he was also the only one of us not to get laid during carnival)

Quote: (07-12-2014 12:41 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

Funny enough, Brazilians openly pride themselves based on A) how much European descent or B) what type of European descent they possess.
This is a pet peeve of mine. Girls in the South always bring up their German / Italian ancestry despite the fact their family has been here 100 years and they don't speak a word of German / Italian. When I hear this my stock reply is "No, you're Brazilian".
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In my post above I left out the most egregious example of Brazil's racial preferences:

Miss Bum Bum, a Brazilian ass contest, never has Black / Mullatta contestants. While I love that fact that there is an ass competition on prime time TV it's a bit like an NBA game without black players. Sure, there is a ton of talent and it's entertaining but we're not watching the best of the best.
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Salvador, Bahia in Depth

Quote: (07-13-2014 12:29 PM)champ Wrote:  

I don't know too much about Brazilian views towards Asians. Two experience I do remember:
1 - searching for Korean BBQ in Sao Paulo I had a chick say to me "eww Koreans are dirty"

If she was of Japanese descent..would make sense based on the history between both ethnicities. Funny enough, I know people in Curitiba who work with Asian exchange students at Universidade Federal do Paraná as the growing business opportunities between that continent and Latin America keep growing. They like the Japanese/Chinese ones whereas they complain about Koreans lol. Something along the lines of how the Korean ones are snobby and very cliquish.

Sidenote: Were you able to find Korean food in Sampa? In Belo Horizonte, I saw more Asian food options in Funcionarios & Lourdes (upscale neighborhoods) albeit only Japanese/Chinese than in all of Liberdade combined. Quite sad IMO.

Quote: (07-13-2014 12:29 PM)champ Wrote:  

2 - a Filipino friend of mine was visiting and a chick told him he looked like a ping pong player (he was also the only one of us not to get laid during carnival)

Hilarious. I think the darker complexion Filipinos would blend in more around Brazil yeah? If it was more East Asian, diff story haha.

Quote: (07-13-2014 12:29 PM)champ Wrote:  

This is a pet peeve of mine. Girls in the South always bring up their German / Italian ancestry despite the fact their family has been here 100 years and they don't speak a word of German / Italian. When I hear this my stock reply is "No, you're Brazilian".

Haha I get...especially the German ones. In all fairness..ppl of Greek, Italian, and Persian descent around the US are hardcore about their ethnicities too despite being 100-200 years separated from ancestors in those countries. The most annoying for me are the gang kids of Vietnamese descent always saying "yo I'm Viet" in my city despite not knowing any of the language/food.

Since Rio de Janeiro has the highest ethnic Portuguese diaspora in the world, many of the old money residents in Zona Sul will consider themselves Portuguese first but also Brazilians too. This is according to my old professor who was Carioca herself.
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Salvador, Bahia in Depth

Quote: (07-13-2014 12:56 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

Sidenote: Were you able to find Korean food in Sampa? In Belo Horizonte, I saw more Asian food options in Funcionarios & Lourdes (upscale neighborhoods) albeit only Japanese/Chinese than in all of Liberdade combined. Quite sad IMO.
Yeah, I found a spot in Liberdade. It was ok, but a bit overpriced and they only served bulgogi.
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