[Ryre]

At about 14:00, Ray's wife tells him she "feels raped" by the sex they've been having. Ray looks at her, shakes his head, says something to the effect of "Raped? are you fucking kidding me?" and walks out. Any gif-makers want to take this on?

[TheWastelander]

I don't know how to use spoiler tags on here but that is fucking insane given what was revealed last season. I'm surprised he didn't go nuts.

[Callador]

How long until Ray pays that therapist a little visit?

[AnonymousBosch]

So it can be misconstrued by our enemies that we support rape?

I guarantee you the progressives are writing that she is being raped.

EDIT: searched for "Ray Donovan" + "Rape" on google. The first result, entirely-predictable response from the Progressive Bastion of Binge-Watching that is the AV Club, the writers of whom consistently find sex 'troubling', like the Victorian Sensibles they are:

Quote:

...the first shot of Ray Donovan’s second season is Ray raping his wife Abby. (At the risk of falling into the trap of attempting to prove that statement, Abby herself says in the next episode, “I feel raped,” and stops him from having his way with her again.) At this point, many prestige dramas—or more accurately, dramas that aspire to prestige—have alit upon rape as a form of characterization. Even when it’s used to advance the plot, it’s often difficult to determine whether or not the violence is introduced to further the story or to provide something titillating to point at. Ray Donovan is in the remarkable position of being a show that appears to be built entirely of moments that are gratuitous, provocative, and emptily thrilling. The act of rape isn’t being judged; it’s being fetishized.

This is why I said I'm not bothering to even read most media stories anymore. I already know the dogma.

[Ryre]

(07-21-2014 05:14 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

So it can be misconstrued by our enemies that we support rape?

I guarantee you the progressives are writing that she is being raped.

EDIT: searched for "Ray Donovan" + "Rape" on google. The first result, entirely-predictable response from the Progressive Bastion of Binge-Watching that is the AV Club, the writers of whom consistently find sex 'troubling', like the Victorian Sensibles they are:

Quote:

...the first shot of Ray Donovan’s second season is Ray raping his wife Abby. (At the risk of falling into the trap of attempting to prove that statement, Abby herself says in the next episode, “I feel raped,” and stops him from having his way with her again.) At this point, many prestige dramas—or more accurately, dramas that aspire to prestige—have alit upon rape as a form of characterization. Even when it’s used to advance the plot, it’s often difficult to determine whether or not the violence is introduced to further the story or to provide something titillating to point at. Ray Donovan is in the remarkable position of being a show that appears to be built entirely of moments that are gratuitous, provocative, and emptily thrilling. The act of rape isn’t being judged; it’s being fetishized.

This is why I said I'm not bothering to even read most media stories anymore. I already know the dogma.

Hmm, I underestimated the stupidity out there. That AV piece is a crock. Using women as "shooting targets"--the point of that scene was to fire bullets near the girl to create a convincing fake crime scene so she could pretend to have been mugged. Ray was helping her. Of course, he did it in a rather brutal and callous manner, but Ray does everything in a brutal and callous manner.

It literally never occurred to me that anyone would interpret Ray and Abby's sex as rape, or interpret her "I feel raped" statement as anything other than the exaggeration Ray treated it as.

I envisioned the gif as something to use in response to e.g. the next Conor Oberst situation. If wiser heads on here think its not a good idea then so be it. I'm opinionated on the subject, and I'm not afraid to call a rape claim bullshit if that's how it appears to me...but I've also engaged in some pretty nuanced discussions of consent on here.

Anyway, I laughed out loud at Ray's reaction to his wife's attempt to use PC-speak against him. Ray's the man.

[AnonymousBosch]

(07-21-2014 10:51 PM)Ryre Wrote:  

It literally never occurred to me that anyone would interpret Ray and Abby's sex as rape, or interpret her "I feel raped" statement as anything other than the exaggeration Ray treated it as.

You have to realise these people are that precious due to their privileged, hardship-free upbringing, which creates low resilient minds that have never developed coping skills, so they are meaningfully-and-genuinely traumatised by tiny - even imagined - slights, which they can only cope with by indulging in their full-blown emotional hysteria.

[strengthstudent]

Ray Donovan both two new episodes of season 2 have been awesome. Season 1 was good too but season 2 has been superb so far.

Ray Donovan is the man. Less talk, more action. Take what you want, do not lose your frame.

The "rape" scene rocked.

btw, I hate that therapist. I wouldn't be surprised that later in the show he recommends she should get a nice guy instead and then reveals how much he loves her. Obviously she will be disgusted with him. Therapy can be good but man I hate incompetent manipulative psychiatrists who shouldn't be one. Only worse would be a woman feminist who tries to manipulate her to stand up for herself and be a strong independent woman.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(07-21-2014 05:14 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

The first result, entirely-predictable response from the Progressive Bastion of Binge-Watching that is the AV Club, the writers of whom consistently find sex 'troubling', like the Victorian Sensibles they are...

My only beef with The Onion is that it often links articles from that website, probably because they have the same owners. The contrast is staggering. The Onion is relaxed and humorous; the AV Club is like an angry Puritan stepmother chasing you with a paddle board, utterly incapable of attachment to anything.

[Nemencine]

I love this show to bits. Ray Donovan.

Absolutely fantastic. Top notch. You wont be disappointed from the very first episode. His father played by Jon Voight is a bloody dynamite too.

Here is a place where you can find all the seasons(beware of pop ups.)

http://www.watchfreemovies.ch/watch-tv-s...n-3229812/

Here is the 2nd place you can find all the seasons of Ray Donovan.(enlarge comment sections for links)

http://www.tvmuse.com/tv-shows/Ray-Donovan_34329/


Enjoy.