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DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!
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DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

Quote: (08-26-2014 10:24 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

It's great to see MADD lining up with Uber, that should be a great boon: http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/BL-DGB-37344

Uber claims that its services have reduced drunk driving and I agree. They should fund an independent survey of its users asking if the price and convenience of uber has led them to use uber instead of driving for going out.

From what I can tell, I see a looot more ubers driving people to bars than I did see of cabs several years ago. A buddy of mine lives in a prime spot and he takes Ubers to bars all the time. When I asked him if he'd have taken a cab instead if Uber had never come about, he said no way, that he'd simply drive.

Or Uber could survey the owners of parking lots and ask them about usage, or see if parking prices have gone down. Some hotels will charge $30 a night for parking, that's a pretty big incentive to ditch renting a car when traveling.

Personally I use Lyft instead of Uber because Uber has some shady tactics, but Uber is protecting the industry from being shut down, no doubt.

For me, its an economics thing. As an example, using Taxis, it cost me $30-35 (plus tip) to get from my place to Hermosa Beach.

Using Uber/Lyft, it cost me $15-16. You figure in round trip fares, and a night of drinking's transportation could either be $70+ or $30-35 which is a huge gap in nightly expenditures. At some point you'll think "Its just better to drive, I won't drink too much". But then again there are these "Buzzed driving is Drunk Driving campaigns".

The convenience of Uber/Lyft has also made me go out a lot more. Whereas, if I were to drive, I'd just simply stay home and do nothing. With Uber/Lyft, I go out whenever, multiple times per week. If the plugged was pulled and we were only left with Taxis, I don't think I'd use them still. The experience and cost suck.
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#77

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

Here's an article that details Uber's plan to throw Lyft off the game. It includes internal documents, emails, and interviews.

Also, it's a pretty good tech website. Better than Gizmodo, which went to shit after the whole iPhone thing.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/26/606766...aging-lyft

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"This is Uber's playbook for sabotaging Lyft
'Brand ambassadors' with burner phones and credit cards attempt to #shavethestache"
Uber is arming teams of independent contractors with burner phones and credit cards as part of its sophisticated effort to undermine Lyft and other competitors. Interviews with current and former contractors, along with internal documents obtained by The Verge, outline the company’s evolving methods. Using contractors it calls "brand ambassadors," Uber requests rides from Lyft and other competitors, recruits their drivers, and takes multiple precautions to avoid detection. The effort, which Uber appears to be rolling out nationally, has already resulted in thousands of canceled Lyft rides and made it more difficult for its rival to gain a foothold in new markets. Uber calls the program "SLOG," and it’s a previously unreported aspect of the company’s ruthless efforts to undermine its competitors.

Together, the interviews and documents show the lengths to which Uber will go to halt its rivals’ momentum. The San Francisco startup has raised $1.5 billion in venture capital, giving it an enormous war chest with which to battle Lyft and others. While the company’s cutthroat nature is well documented, emails from Uber managers offer new insight into the shifting tactics it uses to siphon drivers away from competitors without getting caught. It also demonstrates the strong interest Uber has taken in crushing Lyft, its biggest rival in ridesharing, which is in the midst of a national expansion.

After The Verge asked Uber for comment on its report, the company stalled for time until they could write this blog post introducing Operation SLOG to the world. "We never use marketing tactics that prevent a driver from making their living — and that includes never intentionally canceling rides," the company said.

‘A SPECIAL ONGOING PROJECT’
Earlier this month, CNN reported that Uber employees around the country ordered and then canceled 5,560 Lyft rides, according to an analysis by Lyft. (Lyft arrived at this figure by cross-referencing the phone numbers of users who tried to recruit Lyft drivers to Uber with users who had previously canceled rides.) Uber flatly denied trying to sabotage its competitor: "Lyft’s claims against Uber are baseless and simply untrue," the company said.

"UBER IS FLAT-OUT LYING TO THEIR CUSTOMERS."

But one Uber contractor The Verge spoke with said Lyft’s complaint had merit. "What’s simply untrue is that not only does Uber know about this, they’re actively encouraging these actions day-to-day and, in doing so, are flat-out lying both to their customers, the media, and their investors," the contractor said. Until now, the canceled Lyft rides have been understood as a kind of prank call designed to keep competitors’ drivers off the road. But interviews and internal documents suggest another reason: Uber’s recruitment program has vastly increased in size and sophistication, and recruiters cancel rides in part to avoid detection by Lyft.

The ground troops in Uber’s sabotage campaign are the company’s ambassadors, some of whom it hires through TargetCW, a San Diego-based employment agency. For the most part, ambassadors work at events or on college campuses, promoting Uber as a cheap and easy way of getting around town. The primary goal is to recruit riders, not drivers, and Uber calls the activity "slanging." But since at least mid-summer, some brand ambassadors in New York have been turning their talents against Lyft. Using Uber-provided iPhones and credit cards, the contractors hail rides, strike up conversations with their drivers, and attempt to sign them up before they arrive at their destination. (In other cities recruiters travel with "driver kits" that include iPhones and everything else a driver needs to get started on Uber; ambassadors were told New York State does not allow this.) Compensation varies, but contractors can earn a $750 commission for successfully recruiting a single new driver to Uber, according to a contractor.

ORGANIZING A STREET TEAM

As Lyft has gotten better at sniffing out recruiters and banning them from the service, Uber has been forced to alter its tactics. In the run-up to Lyft’s high-profile launch last month in New York City, Uber organized a "street team" to analyze Lyft’s expansion strategy. On July 9th, a marketing manager emailed a subset of the company’s contractors in New York city with a new opportunity. "We have a special ongoing project that we’re going to be rolling out next week and I wanted to get about 8–10 of you to help out," he wrote. "This is going to be completely based on your own personal hustle, as it’s not a typical onsite event. We are going to have you working on your own time helping us sign up Uber drivers, and there is HUGE commission opportunity for everyone you signup."

OPERATION SLOG
The special ongoing project had a different codename: SLOG. Contractors in New York who responded to the "special ongoing project" message were invited to individual hour-long meetings with Uber marketing managers, who had traveled from Los Angeles and Washington, DC, to New York to oversee the team’s creation.

It was there that the company laid out its plan, according to a contractor. With Lyft’s arrival in New York imminent, Uber said it was creating a "street team" charged with gathering intelligence about Lyft’s launch plans and recruiting their drivers to Uber. Contractors were then handed two Uber-branded iPhones and a series of valid credit card numbers to be used for creating dummy Lyft accounts. Uber assumed every contractor would be caught by Lyft eventually; the second phone, according to a contractor interviewed by The Verge, was issued so "you would have a backup phone if and when that happened so you wouldn’t have to go back."

BACKUP PHONES FOR DAYS

A follow-up email outlined the process for recruiting Lyft drivers in detail. It emphasizes the importance of requesting rides from different physical locations so as not to arouse Lyft’s suspicions, suggests methods of recruiting, and outlines the process for signing up drivers on Uber’s platform.

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The message linked to an online form, which was still active as this story went to press, where Uber could collect information about the Lyft drivers.

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#78

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2...de-sh.html

LA: German court bans Uber ride-sharing service, according to reports [Taxi drivers wore green shirts reading "Cab drivers for justice"]
Robert McClendon ∙ The Times-Picayune ∙ September 02, 2014 10:31 AM

.... Uber has been pushing to enter New Orleans with its up-market Uber Black service, but the City Council is treading carefully. A set of rule changes that would clear the way for Uber Black is scheduled to come up for a vote on Thursday.
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#79

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

Uber is pretty shady. With that in mind...

They just introduced this program to court military veterans. http://time.com/3394150/uber-military/

I don't see any real benefit for veterns here - it's not a typical 'hire vets' campaign where you have a real job and salary set aside for vets. Uber always wants more drivers, because that means passengers get rides quicker and uber has more leverage over its drivers. Uber is not going to give vets salaries or anything. They're trying to pitch themselves as supplying jobs, but when a limitless supply of people can become drivers, the wages will be mediocre. It's not like only vets can become drivers, and there won't be a 'hail a vet driver' or anything.

Yet the media is repeating this as a feel good story. I see Uber hustling everyone once again, and the media is too cowardly or stupid to call them out on it. Uber is pretending to give vets jobs and no one notices they're fronting.
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#80

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

http://online.wsj.com/articles/sidecar-f...1411699355

CA: Ride-Sharing Services Face Legal Threat From San Francisco, Los Angeles /Sidecar Is Accused of Violating California Business Law; District Attorney Also Sends Letters to Uber, Lyft

Douglas MacMillan, Wall Street Journal, Sept. 25, 2014 10:42 p.m. ET

The largest ride-sharing services are now facing a legal threat from regulators on their home turf, a new setback in their race to upend the multibillion-dollar taxi industry. The district attorneys of San Francisco and Los Angeles on Thursday accused Sidecar Inc. of violating California business law and threatened an injunction on its service following a joint investigation, according to a letter sent to Sidecar and reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. Similar letters were also hand-delivered to Sidecar's larger rivals in San Francisco, Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc., according to a spokeswoman for the San Francisco district attorney's office. She declined to comment further….
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#81

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

Post that track from page 1 on the NoFap thread.

Edit: shit my bad...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFFjnbXUVS0
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#82

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

Quote: (08-26-2014 11:59 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Conspiracy theory time.

Could the cab companies prove to the authorities that they'd lose a lot of money from a drop in DUI's? Not sending people to prison?

There is definitely something to this - municipalities talk a good game about being against drunk driving but there is a LOT of money at stake for them if it goes away completely. Your average drunk driving arrest (first offense) is going to cost you at least $3000, not including your defense attorney. The fines go to everything from diversion programs, police funding, Alcoholics Anonymous (since after all, anyone who got drunk once in their life is automatically an alcoholic and must participate in AA, per court order after their arrest for being .00001% over the legal limit for booze, etc.)

I'm old enough to remember when drunk driving actually meant you had to be drunk - now it's a cottage industry. It's been a good run for the cities and towns but it too will come to an end, even without Uber. Once self-driving cars are perfected how will a police officer be able to pull someone over for drunk driving when they aren't even driving? What excuse will he use to say the Google-guided car made a traffic infraction when all that data is programmed in and sensors keep the car well within the limits of the law? Hell, maybe even the cop car will be self driving by that point - no more amped up high speed chases for the fun of it. Can't wait till it happens.
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#83

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

Quote: (09-18-2014 02:49 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

Uber is pretty shady. With that in mind...

They just introduced this program to court military veterans. http://time.com/3394150/uber-military/

I don't see any real benefit for veterns here - it's not a typical 'hire vets' campaign where you have a real job and salary set aside for vets. Uber always wants more drivers, because that means passengers get rides quicker and uber has more leverage over its drivers. Uber is not going to give vets salaries or anything. They're trying to pitch themselves as supplying jobs, but when a limitless supply of people can become drivers, the wages will be mediocre. It's not like only vets can become drivers, and there won't be a 'hail a vet driver' or anything.

Yet the media is repeating this as a feel good story. I see Uber hustling everyone once again, and the media is too cowardly or stupid to call them out on it. Uber is pretending to give vets jobs and no one notices they're fronting.

I can actually see that being very good for military spouses as extra income, but as a breadwinner job for a guy who separated from the service and wants to raise a family? Pfft. Forget it. There are already stories about how it doesn't always pay so great driving for Uber, depending where you are, and it doesn't seem like there would be any room for advancement. Who knows though - it's probably better (and safer) than delivering pizzas.
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#84

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

I was on my phone outside a hockey arena by the taxis, the taxi drivers were hassling me, saying uber uber uber, and trash talking it.

Needless to say fuck them, I used uber anyways, they're way more nice and friendly. Their cars are very clean and it's cheaper.
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#85

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

In my smaller midwest city, Uber is the perfect. I don't drive buzzed as much. Fri-Sat nights I know I can get a cab anytime all night. With cabs, at 2am you have to wait a few hours. Now I just uber, they're there in minutes.

And for my city, it really doesn't make sense to have way more cab services all the time. Uber solves that...an influx of drivers at peak hours.

And no, it doesn't "allow me to drink more"...when I'm drinking, I'm drinking. It changes my sober decision making (don't take car downtown), not my buzzed decision making (I drink the same).

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#86

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

http://www.wtop.com/41/3718049/Taxi-prot...c-problems

WASHINGTON -- D.C. taxi drivers on Wednesday plan to hit the streets -- but instead of picking up riders, they are in protest.

They want the D.C. Council to pass legislation that they say would level the playing field for cabs and private competitors Uber and Lyft.

Taxi drivers say that Uber and Lyft have a competitive advantage right now.

Drivers plan to gather at East Potomac Park around 10:30 a.m., then caravan through the city to Freedom Plaza, arriving shortly after 11 a.m.

On Wednesday, the head of the D.C. Taxicab Commission is scheduled to make a series of proposals that are designed to help compete against the private driving companies.

One of the proposals is for a single app that could be used by all D.C. taxi drivers.

A similar protest in June caused gridlock in downtown D.C.
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#87

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

Idiots. Screw them and their buggywhip mentality.
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#88

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The D.C. Council has approved a bill that regulates popular ridesharing companies such as Uber and Lyft.

The bill gained initial approval on Tuesday by a 12-1 vote.

Among other things, it would require that drivers for smartphone-based vehicle-for-hire services be at least 21 years old and be subjected to background checks for criminal history, sex offenses and driving history. Drivers would also be required to carry liability insurance.

One of the bill's sponsors, Democratic Councilmember Mary Cheh, says the bill ensures public safety and consumer protection without creating "artificial obstacles" for such services.

Taxi drivers protested the bill, saying it gives Uber and other companies an unfair advantage. Uber hailed its passage, saying the District of Columbia "has become a trailblazer in the transportation industry by embracing innovation."



Read more: http://www.wtop.com/41/3731384/DC-Counci...z3HTEWN2UG
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#89

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

ADAPT....don't protest. It's a losing battle - the only way you'll stop losing ground is if you innovated say....heaven forbid an app !
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#90

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

I'm definatley an uber fan however I get where the taxis are comming from. In Chicago taxis have to jump through hoops, I think getting a licensed cab and packard and everything winds up costing about 250k from what I've heard, probably more if you want to be approved to do airport routes. They have strict licensing, background check, insurance, bonds, etc and then someone can singup for an app and do the same thing as them in the blink of an eye, I'd be pissed about it too but at the same time I like innovation and not a lot of regulation so in that aspect I like it plus I like the uber service.
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DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

Quote: (10-28-2014 02:54 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

I'm definatley an uber fan however I get where the taxis are comming from. In Chicago taxis have to jump through hoops, I think getting a licensed cab and packard and everything winds up costing about 250k from what I've heard, probably more if you want to be approved to do airport routes. They have strict licensing, background check, insurance, bonds, etc and then someone can singup for an app and do the same thing as them in the blink of an eye, I'd be pissed about it too but at the same time I like innovation and not a lot of regulation so in that aspect I like it plus I like the uber service.

You know when the economic conservatives and libertarians talk about government getting in the way? This is what they mean.

Some regulations are needed (stopping real pollution of food supply, water and air), but these kind of overbearing government rules kill jobs and innovation.
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DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

Quote: (10-28-2014 03:24 PM)supadoopa_paratroopa Wrote:  

Quote: (10-28-2014 02:54 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

I'm definatley an uber fan however I get where the taxis are comming from. In Chicago taxis have to jump through hoops, I think getting a licensed cab and packard and everything winds up costing about 250k from what I've heard, probably more if you want to be approved to do airport routes. They have strict licensing, background check, insurance, bonds, etc and then someone can singup for an app and do the same thing as them in the blink of an eye, I'd be pissed about it too but at the same time I like innovation and not a lot of regulation so in that aspect I like it plus I like the uber service.

You know when the economic conservatives and libertarians talk about government getting in the way? This is what they mean.

Some regulations are needed (stopping real pollution of food supply, water and air), but these kind of overbearing government rules kill jobs and innovation.

I'm in total agreement with you. I don't think the cab drivers should have to go through all that. My point being that we can't have two sets of rules. Make real cab drivers follow this strict and expensive set of protocols and then let a compan come in and skirt by all that. It has to be a level playing field.

In Chicago the reason Uber was allowed to continue is because Rahm Emanuals brother has a big steak in the company so were that not the case I gurantee Uber woudln't be operating in Chicago.

My state of Illinois is screwed up. We have medical marijuana but I think just applying for the license is 250,000 and I believ you have to show a couple million in the bank liquid in the bank. This basically drives out any small business or entreprenurial people and assures only large corporations will be able to enter this industry.
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#93

DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

Protests in Cali




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DC cab drivers strike to protest Uber; Uber business in DC booms!

Quote: (06-26-2014 04:03 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

In some cities a cab badge is a license to print money. I read somewhere that a badge in NYC costs close to six figures. Any locals with more insight?

Milan, Italy.
I once did, while I was still in a bank branch, a 275.000 Euro (340.000 USD, more or less) mortagage (30y) for a Taxi Driver License.

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