[dtf]

I don't know if it's incompetence or by design but it seems like this country and the presidency is going downhill fast:

unconstitutional issues with Obamacare
botched Obamacare roll-out
VA scandal
Bergdahl scandal
children immigration scandal
pulling out too early from Iraq scandal
and so on...

Some are saying that if it was a Republican president, somebody would already be calling for impeachment but since he is democrat/liberal, people are being lenient. Thoughts?

[soup]

This is really funny.

With all the shit Bush pulled and you think a Republican wouldn't get away with it? What you smoking?

[Sidney Crosby]

Besides everything else you wrote that is laughable, Obama campaigned on getting the troops out of Iraq sooner than he did..... So I don't see how that is a scandal.

[svenski7]

I'm pretty sure this is dupe of what every Republican has been saying for the last six years.

Not that they are wrong but at this point it's time to just enjoy the decline.

[El Chinito loco]

Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same plutocractic coin. Things will continue to decline irregardless of who is in charge unless real effort is made to address the middle class being flushed down the toilet and the illegal immigrant pandering done on both sides. Obama's policies are merely a continuation of the prior administration's policies or a slight mitigation of the more damaging ones.

[Truth Teller]

(06-24-2014 11:25 PM)dtf Wrote:  

I don't know if it's incompetence or by design but it seems like this country and the presidency is going downhill fast:

unconstitutional issues with Obamacare
botched Obamacare roll-out
VA scandal
Bergdahl scandal
children immigration scandal
pulling out too early from Iraq scandal
and so on...

Some are saying that if it was a Republican president, somebody would already be calling for impeachment but since he is democrat/liberal, people are being lenient. Thoughts?

1. Obamacare was determined to be constitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States. Who the fuck cares what people think about its constitutionality? The highest court in the land said that it was, too bad if you disagree.

2. The government is incompetent! What a fucking surprise!

3. The "VA scandal" is hardly a scandal. The VA has been one of the worst run organizations in the United States for the last 30 years. Just because people are finally acknowledging it as an issue doesn't mean that the problem didn't exist beforehand. Blaming Obama for the VA's sorry state is a load of shit.

4. Guy is a soldier in the United States Army. I think he's a deserter too. Like it or not, there's an unwritten rule about not leaving people in the hands of the enemy. Why the hell do you think we were so stubborn in making sure the Vietnamese didn't still have POWs?

5. I don't really know enough about this. What I do know, however, is that this is just another extension of the anchor babies that have existed for years.

6. Pulling out too early? That deadline was agreed to under Bush. Also, you can't blame Obama for not knowing that ISIS/ISIL was going to start attacking the Iraqi government 3 years before it happened. In business, this is close to force majeure. You can't have a reasonable expectation that the US can predict what happens 3 years in the future.

[dtf]

(06-24-2014 11:40 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same plutocractic coin. Things will continue to decline irregardless of who is in charge unless real effort is made to address the middle class being flushed down the toilet and the illegal immigrant pandering done on both sides. Obama's policies are merely a continuation of the prior administration's policies or a slight mitigation of the more damaging ones.

If a liberal/democrat can't represent the interests of the middle class, then who? someone from the Tea party?

[El Chinito loco]

(06-25-2014 12:03 AM)dtf Wrote:  

If a liberal/democrat can't represent the interests of the middle class, then who? someone from the Tea party?

That's a good question that has no answer. The fact is no one represents the interests of the middle class. The Tea Party was astroturfed by the usual Republican elite.

I haven't seen any policy platform or candidate who has come forth with any credible solutions. Plenty of economists have been writing about this issue for at least a couple decades now.

It's a slow time bomb though. A lot of baby boomers are just now feeling it with their decimated retirement.

As I said before, I expect America to resemble latin america in <100 years or so in both demographics and economy. A vast underclass with a tiny wealthy elite that controls everything.

[dtf]

(06-24-2014 11:46 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 11:25 PM)dtf Wrote:  

I don't know if it's incompetence or by design but it seems like this country and the presidency is going downhill fast:

unconstitutional issues with Obamacare
botched Obamacare roll-out
VA scandal
Bergdahl scandal
children immigration scandal
pulling out too early from Iraq scandal
and so on...

Some are saying that if it was a Republican president, somebody would already be calling for impeachment but since he is democrat/liberal, people are being lenient. Thoughts?

6. Pulling out too early? That deadline was agreed to under Bush. Also, you can't blame Obama for not knowing that ISIS/ISIL was going to start attacking the Iraqi government 3 years before it happened. In business, this is close to force majeure. You can't have a reasonable expectation that the US can predict what happens 3 years in the future.

It's not about predicting the future as it is securing what has been invested (lives, money) and keeping a lid on things.

With Japan & Germany, we rebuilt political & economic infrastructure, build military bases and basically stayed this entire time - 70 years and counting.

In the presidential elections, Obama said that he was the one who insisted on pulling out completely and then now he's saying that Maliki was the one who decided.

[Mike5055]

I'm far from a fan of Obama, but the impeach crowd is lacking any footing in reality.

[El Chinito loco]

(06-25-2014 12:11 AM)dtf Wrote:  

With Japan & Germany, we rebuilt political & economic infrastructure, build military bases and basically stayed this entire time - 70 years and counting.

The Marshall plan (and SCAP initiatives in Japan) made sense because the allies were working with an industrious and educated people who proved that they were capable of working together. The major concern was political and limited social reform to change out the old regime and lend stability.

In Iraq it makes no sense whatsoever. There's little benefit in getting involved with the fractious hell hole that most middle eastern countries are unless the plan is to enact actual proxy colonialism and use the oil. If that's not the plan then it's just throwing money into a black hole.

[2Wycked]

If you impeach Obama, Joe Biden becomes president. No thanks.

[dtf]

(06-25-2014 01:08 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(06-25-2014 12:11 AM)dtf Wrote:  

With Japan & Germany, we rebuilt political & economic infrastructure, build military bases and basically stayed this entire time - 70 years and counting.

There's little benefit in getting involved with the fractious hell hole that most middle eastern countries are unless the plan is to enact actual proxy colonialism and use the oil. If that's not the plan then it's just throwing money into a black hole.

How about the benefit of preventing a breeding ground of terrorists bent on blowing up the US? Is this exaggerated?

[weambulance]

Using the IRS to target political groups on the right, selective enforcement of laws, and bypassing congress and just doing whatever the hell he wants is the stuff I'm worried about. Should he be impeached? Absolutely. It will also never happen.

I honestly don't even care anymore. America is off the rails completely. The constitution means nothing, the federal government does whatever it wants, and the people in general are clueless and don't give a shit about anything but making sure they don't miss their sports and shitty TV shows. Let it burn; I'm getting out as soon as possible.

[It_is_my_time]

(06-25-2014 12:03 AM)dtf Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 11:40 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same plutocractic coin. Things will continue to decline irregardless of who is in charge unless real effort is made to address the middle class being flushed down the toilet and the illegal immigrant pandering done on both sides. Obama's policies are merely a continuation of the prior administration's policies or a slight mitigation of the more damaging ones.

If a liberal/democrat can't represent the interests of the middle class, then who? someone from the Tea party?

To quickly answer your question: Gary Johnson.

Gary Johnson ran in 2012 as a Libertarian candidate and he scared both the Republicans and Democrats so much they wouldn't even let him debate. If the average American could hear Johnson his popularity would soar over night. Look him up, he is the closest thing to a red pill presidential candidate we have had in 4 decades.

As for Obama...

He has been beyond a miserable failure. I don't think we will recover from his wasteful spending and getting almost 0 in return. Our economy is on the edge.

The IRS scandal is beyond sickening. This is an institution that at any time can come and ruin your life at the drop of a coin, but magically e-mails just disappeared into thin air.

But I don't think he gets impeached, simply because a good chunk of the American people don't care enough to turn off "Dancing with the Stars" to inform themselves and protect their own children. Women think they don't have to do this, as women think such silly things are not important and women are 54% of voters. Men don't do this because they are so busy walking on egg shells to try to please these disgusting women.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.

- Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

[username]

(06-25-2014 02:10 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

I honestly don't even care anymore. America is off the rails completely. The constitution means nothing, the federal government does whatever it wants, and the people in general are clueless and don't give a shit about anything but making sure they don't miss their sports and shitty TV shows. Let it burn; I'm getting out as soon as possible.

-Pandering to big businesses and rich elite
-Fucking over the middle class
-Massive spying programs on its own citizens
-Anything to get elected mentality
-Seeing the constitution as an outdated document
-Play the game of blame the other party and don't get anything meaningful done

These are the policies of both parties in the United States. The only difference between the two is the Republicans like Jesus and guns while the Democrats like gays and abortions.

[It_is_my_time]

(06-25-2014 03:56 AM)username Wrote:  

(06-25-2014 02:10 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

I honestly don't even care anymore. America is off the rails completely. The constitution means nothing, the federal government does whatever it wants, and the people in general are clueless and don't give a shit about anything but making sure they don't miss their sports and shitty TV shows. Let it burn; I'm getting out as soon as possible.

-Pandering to big businesses and rich elite
-Fucking over the middle class
-Massive spying programs on its own citizens
-Anything to get elected mentality
-Seeing the constitution as an outdated document
-Play the game of blame the other party and don't get anything meaningful done

These are the policies of both parties in the United States. The only difference between the two is the Republicans like Jesus and guns while the Democrats like gays and abortions.

Like I said, Gary Johnson was better than anyone in either party.

But if forced between the two, lower taxes and owning guns gives us little guys a slight fighting chance.

[Uzisuicide]

There are too many people who agree with Obama. That is the problem. Burn America. Also I see the Obama apologists everywhere are going back to complaining about Bush because they can't defend their guy. The other guy's a dirt bag too is a wimpy defense.

[Sp5]

The Iraqis did not want US troops staying and were unwilling to give legal immunity to allow a troop presence. No American C-in-C would allow troops to be subject to a legal system like Iraq's.

It's wasn't the US military that did it, but the Nisoor Square massacre by Blackwater put the last nail in the coffin of a big US presence in Iraq.

I was there, and the Iraqis were sick of us.

[Suits]

(06-24-2014 11:25 PM)dtf Wrote:  

I don't know if it's incompetence or by design but it seems like this country and the presidency is going downhill fast:

unconstitutional issues with Obamacare
botched Obamacare roll-out
VA scandal
Bergdahl scandal
children immigration scandal
pulling out too early from Iraq scandal
and so on...

Some are saying that if it was a Republican president, somebody would already be calling for impeachment but since he is democrat/liberal, people are being lenient. Thoughts?

What does this really have to do with building a meaningful lifestyle, enjoy port of call far and wide and putting my penis in women of all colours, shapes and sizes?


This sort of conversation becomes increasingly more irrelevant the closer you come to achieve a meaningful existence.

[It_is_my_time]

(06-25-2014 08:35 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 11:25 PM)dtf Wrote:  

I don't know if it's incompetence or by design but it seems like this country and the presidency is going downhill fast:

unconstitutional issues with Obamacare
botched Obamacare roll-out
VA scandal
Bergdahl scandal
children immigration scandal
pulling out too early from Iraq scandal
and so on...

Some are saying that if it was a Republican president, somebody would already be calling for impeachment but since he is democrat/liberal, people are being lenient. Thoughts?

What does this really have to do with building a meaningful lifestyle, enjoy port of call far and wide and putting my penis in women of all colours, shapes and sizes?


This sort of conversation becomes increasingly more irrelevant the closer you come to achieve a meaningful existence.

Well, Obama has pushed hard to make rape laws as loose as possible, especially on campus. So that certainly puts a dagger in the whole PUA routine. I certainly would not suggest it in the USA today.

As far as going overseas, with the US economy going down the drain and the USD value declining from our horrible economic policies, which in the end are basically just steal from men and give to women, it makes traveling overseas more expensive and moving overseas more unlikely.

So it has a HUGE impact on a "meaningful existence".

[Suits]

(06-25-2014 08:39 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(06-25-2014 08:35 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 11:25 PM)dtf Wrote:  

I don't know if it's incompetence or by design but it seems like this country and the presidency is going downhill fast:

unconstitutional issues with Obamacare
botched Obamacare roll-out
VA scandal
Bergdahl scandal
children immigration scandal
pulling out too early from Iraq scandal
and so on...

Some are saying that if it was a Republican president, somebody would already be calling for impeachment but since he is democrat/liberal, people are being lenient. Thoughts?

What does this really have to do with building a meaningful lifestyle, enjoy port of call far and wide and putting my penis in women of all colours, shapes and sizes?


This sort of conversation becomes increasingly more irrelevant the closer you come to achieve a meaningful existence.

Well, Obama has pushed hard to make rape laws as loose as possible, especially on campus. So that certainly puts a dagger in the whole PUA routine. I certainly would not suggest it in the USA today.

And yet campus game is the most popular "game" thread topic. Plenty of our membership get out there and bang college bitches regardless. Sure, there are smart precautions to take, but giving up bang college coeds altogether because "Obama" is just silly.

Quote:

As far as going overseas, with the US economy going down the drain and the USD value declining from our horrible economic policies, which in the end are basically just steal from men and give to women, it makes traveling overseas more expensive and moving overseas more unlikely.

If your purchasing power based on a US income is declining, isn't that all the more reason to get the hell out?

Quote:

So it has a HUGE impact on a "meaningful existence".

And yet there are plenty of forum members that still have an awesome life. Instead of bitching, make a plan and begin take steps toward its objectives.

[It_is_my_time]

(06-25-2014 08:47 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-25-2014 08:39 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(06-25-2014 08:35 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 11:25 PM)dtf Wrote:  

I don't know if it's incompetence or by design but it seems like this country and the presidency is going downhill fast:

unconstitutional issues with Obamacare
botched Obamacare roll-out
VA scandal
Bergdahl scandal
children immigration scandal
pulling out too early from Iraq scandal
and so on...

Some are saying that if it was a Republican president, somebody would already be calling for impeachment but since he is democrat/liberal, people are being lenient. Thoughts?

What does this really have to do with building a meaningful lifestyle, enjoy port of call far and wide and putting my penis in women of all colours, shapes and sizes?


This sort of conversation becomes increasingly more irrelevant the closer you come to achieve a meaningful existence.

Well, Obama has pushed hard to make rape laws as loose as possible, especially on campus. So that certainly puts a dagger in the whole PUA routine. I certainly would not suggest it in the USA today.

And yet campus game is the most popular "game" thread topic. Plenty of our membership get out there and bang college bitches regardless. Sure, there are smart precautions to take, but giving up bang college coeds altogether because "Obama" is just silly.

Quote:

As far as going overseas, with the US economy going down the drain and the USD value declining from our horrible economic policies, which in the end are basically just steal from men and give to women, it makes traveling overseas more expensive and moving overseas more unlikely.

If your purchasing power based on a US income is declining, isn't that all the more reason to get the hell out?

Quote:

So it has a HUGE impact on a "meaningful existence".

And yet there are plenty of forum members that still have an awesome life. Instead of bitching, make a plan and begin take steps toward its objectives.

I didn't say "they shouldn't do it" I certainly had my fun in college. But that was in the 1990's. I personally would cut back. I just said I would not recommend it, and yes, one of the main reasons I say this is because the President himself thinks we need more rape charges and to change the definition. Each man needs to make smart decisions and risks management. Obama opened his mouth about it and unfortunately he is our president.

The USD power will not only affect Americans themselves and in reality will affect everyone world wide. As the world's largest economic engine turns to failed socialist policies the entire world will be hurt and things will become more violent world wide. This is bigger than just impacting those living in the USA and will greatly impact those US citizens who do travel overseas as the USD loses ground v. other currencies.

I'm glad they have a good life right now. My concern isn't right now, it is where we are heading and the world is heading and if you know your history and understand economics, it is a very dark place.

[cool guy]

[quote='dtf' pid='763592' dateline='1403670319']
I don't know if it's incompetence or by design but it seems like this country and the presidency is going downhill fast:

unconstitutional issues with Obamacare

[b]The supreme court backed him up on this saying it was a tax making it somehow constitutional even though Obama said it wan't a tax and there wouldn't be any new taxes but that was the only way it would pass so there it was. Judges prefer to be activists and have an agenda to make things pass and force them out in order to have a legacy this will be judge Roberts legacy.

botched Obamacare roll-out

[b]The Obamacare roll-out was overall a positive thing because people didn't see how bad it really was. The money wasted is public money so people don't really care as much in the end it didn't really hurt him.

VA scandal

[b]People knew the VA was incompetent but not negligent this won't really hurt him because his VA secretary Shinseki took the blame. I think Shinseki was one of the worst bureaucrat generals of all time while I was in the Army because his solution to everything was spend, spend, spend. The Marines took some of the Army's missions in Kosovo during that conflict so he started Medium brigades which was a new way to organize units for deployments even though the Army already had plans for it. He also wasted billions on the Stryker Combat Vehicle having everything specially made from scratch instead of off the rack parts. He also changed the uniform to black berets, etc.

Bergdahl scandal

[b]This is only a scandal for people who travel or military as the price we paid was too high.

children immigration scandal

[b]People are just finding out about this and don't really understand whats going on.

pulling out too early from Iraq scandal

[b]He tried to stay in longer but the Iraqi's were going to pull our guys immunity or so they threatened. In my opinion the ISIS people ARE the one's he's arming in Syria they left because they weren't gaining on Bashar Al-Assad's troops anymore so they wanted an easy win in Iraq. If Obama hadn't been funding and supplying them in Syria they wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

and so on...

IRS scandal, wikileaks, Edward Snowden, Fast and Furious, etc. there are plenty of scandals but no one wants to impeach as they don't haved the desire.[/b]

Some are saying that if it was a Republican president, somebody would already be calling for impeachment but since he is democrat/liberal, people are being lenient. Thoughts?

If he was a Republican or Caucasian he would've had much more opposition even anti-war liberals hate him at this point because he showed how shallow their movement really is. He is good for the military industrial complex as no one dares protest against Obama's wars at least not in numbers who did against Bush and when they do they protest the war NOT Obama. Yes he gets away with it because if you complain you are racist or a bigot and no one wants to be labeled that way even Glen Greenwald is up to the con saying the next president will be a woman or gay just to keep up the charade. Many of Obama's early liberal supporters have also come out against him. The Snowden files when they are made completely available to the public will disclose a lot but in my time I have never before seen such an openly corrupt administration in my life. There is absolutely no will to impeach Obama from Repulicans as most establishment Republicans support what Obama does there is no opposition as Democrats who oppose him will be pushed back by the party and will be challenged in the next election. Only a few tea party types are talking about it but the tea party has been infiltrated by centralist's a long time ago as tea party candidates have voted WITH the establishment more often than not such as increasing the debt ceiling, war powers, etc. the few tea partiers who are any good don't have the power to put through articles of impeachment. My country has been overthrown and it happened a long time ago we just never realized it.[/b]