[Vaughn]

At what price, if any, would you choose the path of lesser resistance and use the services of an escort(s) instead of using game to try to land free pussy?

I starting seeing an escort a little over a month ago who is $200/hr. She is from Thailand. Her attitude and energy are amazing. It's the best I've ever had, and I've been seeing her almost every week. But it's sapped my interest in pursuing "normal" women, i.e. haven't done much of anything on Tinder lately, haven't been going out on the weekends. I really doubt I can find a regular girl who would be as good as her.

At what price would you forget about game if you could get better then the typical slags you bang?

[HonantheBarbarian]

200/hr is vastly more than im expecting to spend on any girl. Shit I don't spend that much on my LTR.

My last bang cost me a blended coffee, and I was being generous. She offered to pay.

The one before that cost a bag of weed, which I would have bought regardless of her presence.

200/hr is crazy money.

Troll post is troll, btw.

[Col. Tigh]

[svenski7]

Cardguy reborn.

[Atlantic]

200 a week is over 10,000 a year.

That's gym membership, language courses, new wardrobe, some good eBooks on game and at least a few weeks in Thailand. You are investing in yourself.

'Her attitude and energy are amazing' - Tell her you are short this week and can you fuck for free. She how fast that changes.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Even foregoing the emotional bonuses of having a woman genuinely in love with you, I would have to be insanely rich to give up on game and just sleep with escorts. 200/hr is not only too much because what she is providing objectively isn't worth that much, but it's also unsustainable. Therefore, it's best for me to just stay away. I'm not judging the OP here, just saying that it doesn't work for me (and most other men).

I think 20/hr would be some sort of cutoff where I'd begin seriously indulging. But since that doesn't exist...

(06-23-2014 02:10 AM)svenski7 Wrote:  

Cardguy reborn.

Nope. Cardguy would never pay that much, nor would he be impressed by her amazing energy.

[weambulance]

$200 an hour?

[Vaughn]

Not trolling. I've been a member for several months.

Whether $200 is crazy money depends on an individual's income and expenses. I feel embarrassed to say this now, but I actually saw a girl somewhat regularly for a few years who was $450. Only saw her about every six weeks to two months as to me that was a significant expenditure. But again, price is relative. My alternative was to be an incel.. If I could get laid for the price of a blended coffee with a 6+ girl that would be great. I haven't ever been able to pull that off though. I could pull a 3 or a 4 that way. I guess I have chosen $200 for an "8" over price of coffee for a "4".

[draguer]

Female troll.

[Atlantic]

(06-23-2014 02:15 AM)Vaughn Wrote:  

Not trolling. I've been a member for several months.

But again, price is relative. My alternative was to be an incel.. If I could get laid for the price of a blended coffee with a 6+ girl that would be great. I haven't ever been able to pull that off though. I could pull a 3 or a 4 that way.

Why are you on a game site then?
Why even ask the question when you have no intention of changing?

You are putting in no effort yet expect massive results -''8''.

What do you have to offer to an 8 (non escort)???

[StrikeBack]

(06-23-2014 02:12 AM)Atlantic Wrote:  

200 a week is over 10,000 a year.

Reminds me of (I think) Solomon who used to be a Game blogger. He did a blog on the cost of having a LTR in a year vs banging random chicks (not P4P). I believe it costed Solomon almost $12K to have his GF around. While he didn't spend $12K on her - almost half of it was for himself - he wouldn't have spent any of it if they hadn't been together e.g going to places / shows he wouldn't have visited otherwise etc.

So apparently banging random escorts for $200 weekly is still cheaper than a LTR lol

[Vaughn]

Atlantic, I'm on a game site because I do like the idea of being able to use my looks + personality to pull regular women. That's been my goal/dream. Reality: Prior to this girl, the last time I was laid was May 2012 (other than an escort in Vegas last summer). That's a long time to wait. I did have some good makeouts during that stretch, but didn't get further. I've been lately sucked into the good experience I've been having with this $200 girl. At some point I'm sure I'll come back around to the "why am I paying for this" viewpoint again.

[Atlantic]

(06-23-2014 02:27 AM)Vaughn Wrote:  

Atlantic, I'm on a game site because I do like the idea of being able to use my looks + personality to pull regular women. That's been my goal/dream. Reality: Prior to this girl, the last time I was laid was May 2012 (other than an escort in Vegas last summer). That's a long time to wait. I did have some good makeouts during that stretch, but didn't get further. I've been lately sucked into the good experience I've been having with this $200 girl. At some point I'm sure I'll come back around to the "why am I paying for this" viewpoint again.

If you want some help give a game/lifestyle inventory:

What is your lifestyle?
What field/industry do you work in, is it location independent?
How much do you make a year?
What age are you and where do you live?
Are you regularly using the gym?
Are you eating a good diet?
What is your social life like? How do you meet new people?

If you answer all of those people on here will be able to give you very specific advice to help you out.

[weambulance]

Well to answer your question, as long as I can still get attractive girls to want me I won't pay for sex even if it's $20/hr. I just don't see it. I'm sure plenty of people disagree but sex isn't all I like about having girls around, and no matter how cheap a hooker is still a hooker and there's nothing real about the interaction.

[Vaughn]

(06-23-2014 02:37 AM)Atlantic Wrote:  

If you want some help give me a game/lifestyle inventory:

Age: 40
Location: Seattle
Build: 6'0", 190 lbs
Gym: 4-5x per week
Diet: Not so good, eat out a lot
Money: $80k/yr
Social life: Have a fairly wide social circle. Lot of them have gone the married/kids route so not as fun as it was five years ago. Most the new people I meet these days are through work.
What is your lifestyle?: Not sure what this means

I think I'm fine physically and on paper for pulling women. I suspect there are a lot of guys who would do really well if they could transport themselves into my body (like on some sci-fi show). I lean toward introverted thought I do like to go out, travel, party, etc. I do not/cannot roll solo as I completely shut off socially in those situations. I find that of the women who are interested in me initially, once they get to know me a bit, it dries out their vaginas. No tingles.

^ Kinda getting off topic with this though, belongs on newbie forum.

[Vaughn]

(06-23-2014 02:48 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

Well to answer your question, as long as I can still get attractive girls to want me I won't pay for sex even if it's $20/hr. I just don't see it. I'm sure plenty of people disagree but sex isn't all I like about having girls around, and no matter how cheap a hooker is still a hooker and there's nothing real about the interaction.

Good points weam. I'm coming from such a different perspective, probably why this topic struck some as trollish. By different perspective, I mean that I have not experienced "getting attractive girls to want me" as you have had, or as many here have had. On the other hand I HAVE been able to get UNattractive girls to want me, which leads to my theorizing about at what price a person would choose to pay. To guys who can buy a coffee with a 7 and have sex with her later, the concept of paying for sex is probably hard to wrap their minds around.

[HonantheBarbarian]

Leave the country.

With your age and background you will have a harder time pulling here. Although that isn't to say it can't be done, you would just need way more development and experience to out compete the younger guys.

But someone with your stats (if true) could do really well in SEA. I don't really like SEA or their crude women but its a damn good training ground to get your chops and figure out what you want. At 80K/y you could very easily finance a yearly excursion to the phillipines for a month or so. Or just go awol and set up out there.

Just stop buying hookers with that money man. Its bad for your soul. Just by the language you're using to describe these interactions its very obvious its becoming a crutch. Again if troll post isn't really troll..

[WestIndianArchie]

Running game will never be as easy as swiping a credit card. Never.
So if you're thinking about pussy to $ ratio, paying a whore is always more "economically" efficient, at every price point. From 5 dollars to a million.

If you're only after sex, just be a john. It's legal in Canada and the UK, lots of places in Europe, and a few places in Nevada. Accept your role, budget accordingly, and find a prostitute connoisseur board. Just don't fall in love with the bitch.

This ain't a P2P board. So just mosey on out of here.

WIA

[Suits]

Dear Vaughn,

This might not be the forum for you.

However, if you are interested in actually improving yourself, please let us know. Also, you'll need to stop seeing whores if you really care about being everything that you can be.

This is in no way mandatory. You are free to do what you want with your life. But if you have no interest in being a better man that can get what he wants from women without having to pay out $200 per hour, then that is what you will need to do.

[Belize King]

You could fly to Thailand on a buddy pass for 650, stay in a 20 dollar a night hotel room, eat street food and shore working girls, fuck massuses/waitresses/store girls, or try your luck with the college students and RCA girls. 1200 dollars if you budget right would get you to Thailand, smashing a new Thai bish everyday for a 10 days straight.

You could always workout, have a sense of style, and approach approach approach to find some American strange.

[Heathree]

Surely the hooker is going to be riddled with STDs.

[Beyond Borders]

Surely this thread will get locked.

[Virtus]

(06-23-2014 02:23 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 02:12 AM)Atlantic Wrote:  

200 a week is over 10,000 a year.

Reminds me of (I think) Solomon who used to be a Game blogger. He did a blog on the cost of having a LTR in a year vs banging random chicks (not P4P). I believe it costed Solomon almost $12K to have his GF around. While he didn't spend $12K on her - almost half of it was for himself - he wouldn't have spent any of it if they hadn't been together e.g going to places / shows he wouldn't have visited otherwise etc.

So apparently banging random escorts for $200 weekly is still cheaper than a LTR lol

Gf costs me about $150 a week while she probably spends $100/week on me. idk. I wouldn't likely spent that 150, and likely don't really need that 100 spent on me but all that stuff is what life costs anyhow. movies/food + trips? .. just cost of doing business with another human you like.

[Vaughn]

WIA and Suits, apologies. Thought my question would be ok for "Everything Else" so that's why I posted it here instead of the Game or Newbie forum, but it seems it ventured too deep into dark territory. Sorry for that. I AM interested in improving myself. I read these forums, read ROK, have a regular gym program, been studying Spanish for 5 months now, getting ready to make a logistics change (renting out my suburban townhouse). For most of these things I owe some inspiration to this community. But then I had this aforementioned experience recently that made me start to run numbers, for example, on all the weekends over the last five years where I dropped $50+ at a club on covers and alcohol, to occasionally get a makeout, and that led me to the question I posed in my OP.

[El Chinito loco]

The irony about escorts is that at the point in your life where it makes total sense to use them it's also the point in your life where you don't need them at all because tons of women will be trying hard to fuck you because of your status and wealth.

Escorts are a god-send for the filthy rich and famous. If they are smart about it they can get discrete fucks without any of the legal or moral fallout. The money issue isn't even a concern at all with this set but it _is_ a huge concern if they get divorced from some gold digging shrew who will make off with millions.

Billionaires in Hong Kong are infamous for having rotating harems of beauty queens. Sheiks in dubai import pussy from EE as "live in" girlfriends for weeks and months before giving them the boot with financial compensation. All these guys could easily be dating actresses or whatever in their own country but there's a very practical and logical reason why they use harems.

So, my point is unless you're fantastically rich it's better to max out your own improvement first and then if what you really want is to date lots of quality women for wife material then go overseas.