[gusfring]

There is this new rebooted tv version of the classic Fargo and the lead character undergoes a massive beta to alpha transformation. SHould check it out.

Details:
Long story short the Lundegaard-esque guy in the tv series is called Lester Nygaard. He starts out as a putz - gets bullied physically by high school friend even at 40yrs, wife makes fun of his masculinity, brother thinks he is a loser, so on and so forth. In essence he is a beaten down man.

Without giving away the plot, bad events unfold, and the once puny Lester soon bangs the bully's milfy wife while screwing her over financially. His brother's wife makes it apparent she is down for anything with him. His asian coworker who once saw him as 'harmless' also wants a piece of him.

Most of the transformation happened in last nights 8th episode. Still couple more to air so may be he gets killed too or worse becomes a beta again.

[vinman]

"I let you cum inside ME"! And right after he made her, and her sons look stupid you could see the girl in his office get the vagina tingles. I laughed my ass of. That is a very entertaining show.

[void]

on the list

[Ensam]

Martin Freeman is an amazing actor. You can see the transformation in his body language - I totally bought it.

[Suits]

I'm surprised that this TV show hasn't gotten more attention from the forum.

I'm hesitant to outright argue that this is the most red-pill show of the decade, but it is definitely a contender.

First of all, the quality of the production value, casting and acting is off the charts. The very fact that the show doesn't promise more than in can deliver gives it more cred that 'True Detective.'

Secondly, I can't recall a show that has done a better job illustrating beta versus alpha behaviour. The show also displays vividly what a bitch marriage can be even for a guy who makes a decent effort at life (i.e. being a normal guy, but not being in the top 20%).

If there was ever a tv series that deserved the status of the official RooshV Forum show of the decade, this one would get my vote.

I highly recommend that you all watch it and then come back to discuss, so that we can start dropping spoilers.

[Dusty]

Lester doing something about his henpecking wife.

[evilhei]

Ive watched the first 4-5 episodes and its quite good. I think in those first episodes you cant really see the alpha change yet but I have a feeling its coming. Good show!

[TheWastelander]

I think the problem with Lester's transformation is that he's also a complete and total scumbag. Yeah, he's alpha but look what he did to both his wives (the first one did have it coming, though). At heart he's still a little worm and a coward who makes dumb decisions but usually gets himself out of them and runs away. He just now has no moral compunctions holding him back like he did in the beginning.

I've noticed the show is big on portraying guys as either stupid or evil and the most intelligent character is a fat woman Mary Sue. Hardly a red pill show.

I think the old-school alpha character on the show is the fat cop's dad who owns the diner. And I was also massively impressed by the beta cop turned postal worker stepping the fuck up in the finale. He grew a massive set of balls.

[Suits]

(07-03-2014 07:54 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

I think the problem with Lester's transformation is that he's also a complete and total scumbag. Yeah, he's alpha but look what he did to both his wives (the first one did have it coming, though). At heart he's still a little worm and a coward who makes dumb decisions but usually gets himself out of them and runs away. He just now has no moral compunctions holding him back like he did in the beginning.

I've noticed the show is big on portraying guys as either stupid or evil and the most intelligent character is a fat woman Mary Sue. Hardly a red pill show.

I think the old-school alpha character on the show is the fat cop's dad who owns the diner. And I was also massively impressed by the beta cop turned postal worker stepping the fuck up in the finale. He grew a massive set of balls.

I see where you are coming from and I considered some of the same things.

However, I think that this show is a move in the right direction.

The female cop might be smarter than most of the male cops (but not all of them, remember, she needs to be coached to look in the trunk of an abandoned car, a rookie mistake), but she is portrayed as marginally intelligent and just barely.

Most shows would cast her as a hot woman that "has it all," but in this show, getting married requires her to settle for a dude who is a beta pussy. She doesn't end up with the male lead like on every other mainstream show.

There are women who are good at their jobs, even policing, but they don't tend to be hot. In fact, they tend to be a little fat. So, I believe that this show actually depicts red-pill reality in a much better way than nearly every show I've seen recently, even some that are mildly enjoyable to watch.

While the show could come off as a cautionary tale of what happens when a pussy beta becomes a pussy alpha, there are quite a few other examples of good, red-pill alphas and red-pill beta to alpha transformation than involve men doing what they need to to protect their families and communities.

I think that the Nygaard character is a good depiction of the fact that the guys who sometimes get ahead, don't do so deservingly, but simply because men and women alike tend to reward alpha-ness, even if it lacks a moral compass.

The pussy cop-mailman dude is a perfect example. Even though he is a nice guy, he gets to pork the fat, homely bitch and the asshole gets to stick to D in the tight Asian vagina, which of course, gets very wet watching him assault a couple of teenagers (however deservingly).

I still think that it is totally deserving of the red-pill title.

[TheWastelander]

(07-03-2014 08:26 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 07:54 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

I think the problem with Lester's transformation is that he's also a complete and total scumbag. Yeah, he's alpha but look what he did to both his wives (the first one did have it coming, though). At heart he's still a little worm and a coward who makes dumb decisions but usually gets himself out of them and runs away. He just now has no moral compunctions holding him back like he did in the beginning.

I've noticed the show is big on portraying guys as either stupid or evil and the most intelligent character is a fat woman Mary Sue. Hardly a red pill show.

I think the old-school alpha character on the show is the fat cop's dad who owns the diner. And I was also massively impressed by the beta cop turned postal worker stepping the fuck up in the finale. He grew a massive set of balls.

I see where you are coming from and I considered some of the same things.

However, I think that this show is a move in the right direction.

The female cop might be smarter than most of the male cops (but not all of them, remember, she needs to be coached to look in the trunk of an abandoned car, a rookie mistake), but she is portrayed as marginally intelligent and just barely.

Most shows would cast her as a hot woman that "has it all," but in this show, getting married requires her to settle for a dude who is a beta pussy. She doesn't end up with the male lead like on every other mainstream show.

There are women who are good at their jobs, even policing, but they don't tend to be hot. In fact, they tend to be a little fat. So, I believe that this show actually depicts red-pill reality in a much better way than nearly every show I've seen recently, even some that are mildly enjoyable to watch.

While the show could come off as a cautionary tale of what happens when a pussy beta becomes a pussy alpha, there are quite a few other examples of good, red-pill alphas and red-pill beta to alpha transformation than involve men doing what they need to to protect their families and communities.

I think that the Nygaard character is a good depiction of the fact that the guys who sometimes get ahead, don't do so deservingly, but simply because men and women alike tend to reward alpha-ness, even if it lacks a moral compass.

The pussy cop-mailman dude is a perfect example. Even though he is a nice guy, he gets to pork the fat, homely bitch and the asshole gets to stick to D in the tight Asian vagina, which of course, gets very wet watching him assault a couple of teenagers (however deservingly).

I still think that it is totally deserving of the red-pill title.

You make good points, especially about Nygaard. He stopped taking shit from people and started going after what he wanted but my problem with him was that although he could brilliantly manipulate people to get out of a situation or take advantage of them, he also made really dumb decisions in the first place. Plus deep down he was still kind of a bitch. You see that in the end of the elevator scene.

That scene with the bully's widow in the insurance office was awesome, though. After he took care of that shit the Asian chick was all "you're amazing."

I think overall, though, I'm just tired of what seems like a trend lately where some shows have either stupid losery guys or evil men. No one likes pussy white knights but lately Hollywood seems to be pushing this idea that alphas have to be bad guys. Need more alpha anti-heroes like Dirty Harry.

[Ensam]

(07-03-2014 08:26 PM)Suits Wrote:  

I think that the Nygaard character is a good depiction of the fact that the guys who sometimes get ahead, don't do so deservingly, but simply because men and women alike tend to reward alpha-ness, even if it lacks a moral compass.

This is exactly what makes it 'red pill' to me. It doesn't pander to either side. The bad guy gets rewarded for behaving dominant, the good guys get punished for being wimps.

[Dusty]

"Aces"

[Blunt]

(07-03-2014 07:54 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

I think the problem with Lester's transformation is that he's also a complete and total scumbag. Yeah, he's alpha but look what he did to both his wives (the first one did have it coming, though). At heart he's still a little worm and a coward who makes dumb decisions but usually gets himself out of them and runs away. He just now has no moral compunctions holding him back like he did in the beginning.

I've noticed the show is big on portraying guys as either stupid or evil and the most intelligent character is a fat woman Mary Sue. Hardly a red pill show.

I think the old-school alpha character on the show is the fat cop's dad who owns the diner. And I was also massively impressed by the beta cop turned postal worker stepping the fuck up in the finale. He grew a massive set of balls.

:SPOILER:

Yeah I think the beta cop was more of an alpha transition, albeit a sudden one. He stood up for his 'village' irregardless of his position.

Lester on the other hand acted more assertive sure, but when it came to any real confrontation he pussed out. He killed his wife instead of standing up to her and then used his second wife as a shield instead of dealing with Thornton himself. Even his act in the elevator of confronting Thornton wasn't alpha, instead of acknowledging his terrible fuck ups and moving on he blames his guilt on Thornton who basically just acted as a murderous psychopath would be expected to act.

I do agree with Suits though that the show itself is redpill in its undiluted presentation of the uglier sides of human nature and social behavior.

[LeBeau]

Fargo and True Detective have been 2 of the best TV seasons I've ever seen.

In fact, I like that each is going a different direction for season 2 with different characters.

As a Canadian, this hits close to home in so many little ways, Minnesota culture is probably the closest to our own out of all the states.

Favourite parts:

- The way they tied up the loose end with the buried case of money from the film, then untied it.

- The bear trap story come to life

- All the ways the characters express something negative (e.g. "Can't say I liked his demeanor")

- When BBT would ruin people's day just for the sake of it (e.g setting up kid working at the motel, the ghost story, etc.)

- Adorable Linda

- Zombie Kits


Only thing that didn't sit right was Lester antagonizing BBT in Las Vegas, you'd think he would wanna stay as far away from him and the killings as possible. Only way I could rationalize that for his character was maybe he was feeling a bit too alpha for his own good that night, and wanted to get some closure or give BBT a piece of his mind.

But of course that's just minor complaint that had to happen to get the story moving again, overall it was definitely:

[Suits]

Season 2 won't be back till fall 2015 at the earliest. I'm hoping it retains its red pill influence.

[infowarrior1]

(07-03-2014 08:44 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 08:26 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 07:54 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

I think the problem with Lester's transformation is that he's also a complete and total scumbag. Yeah, he's alpha but look what he did to both his wives (the first one did have it coming, though). At heart he's still a little worm and a coward who makes dumb decisions but usually gets himself out of them and runs away. He just now has no moral compunctions holding him back like he did in the beginning.

I've noticed the show is big on portraying guys as either stupid or evil and the most intelligent character is a fat woman Mary Sue. Hardly a red pill show.

I think the old-school alpha character on the show is the fat cop's dad who owns the diner. And I was also massively impressed by the beta cop turned postal worker stepping the fuck up in the finale. He grew a massive set of balls.

I see where you are coming from and I considered some of the same things.

However, I think that this show is a move in the right direction.

The female cop might be smarter than most of the male cops (but not all of them, remember, she needs to be coached to look in the trunk of an abandoned car, a rookie mistake), but she is portrayed as marginally intelligent and just barely.

Most shows would cast her as a hot woman that "has it all," but in this show, getting married requires her to settle for a dude who is a beta pussy. She doesn't end up with the male lead like on every other mainstream show.

There are women who are good at their jobs, even policing, but they don't tend to be hot. In fact, they tend to be a little fat. So, I believe that this show actually depicts red-pill reality in a much better way than nearly every show I've seen recently, even some that are mildly enjoyable to watch.

While the show could come off as a cautionary tale of what happens when a pussy beta becomes a pussy alpha, there are quite a few other examples of good, red-pill alphas and red-pill beta to alpha transformation than involve men doing what they need to to protect their families and communities.

I think that the Nygaard character is a good depiction of the fact that the guys who sometimes get ahead, don't do so deservingly, but simply because men and women alike tend to reward alpha-ness, even if it lacks a moral compass.

The pussy cop-mailman dude is a perfect example. Even though he is a nice guy, he gets to pork the fat, homely bitch and the asshole gets to stick to D in the tight Asian vagina, which of course, gets very wet watching him assault a couple of teenagers (however deservingly).

I still think that it is totally deserving of the red-pill title.

You make good points, especially about Nygaard. He stopped taking shit from people and started going after what he wanted but my problem with him was that although he could brilliantly manipulate people to get out of a situation or take advantage of them, he also made really dumb decisions in the first place. Plus deep down he was still kind of a bitch. You see that in the end of the elevator scene.

That scene with the bully's widow in the insurance office was awesome, though. After he took care of that shit the Asian chick was all "you're amazing."

I think overall, though, I'm just tired of what seems like a trend lately where some shows have either stupid losery guys or evil men. No one likes pussy white knights but lately Hollywood seems to be pushing this idea that alphas have to be bad guys. Need more alpha anti-heroes like Dirty Harry.

I don't think you can expect Nygaard to go a total transformation from Gamma to Alpha however he went very far in the process. Considering his physical capabilities, his capacity for tactical thinking and his situation. He became more Assertive but there is still a long ways to go in terms of violent capability and toughness that would enable him to face a challenge like Malvo.

His Assertiveness goes out the window when a more dominant man(Malvo) comes into the picture.

[Lucky]

I just watched the first episode. I loved the movie Fargo and I heard on Adam Carolla's podcast that this show was good.

My first thought while was that it seemed too similar to the movie. I wondered if it would hold my interest. That was until Billy Bob Thornton's character appeared.

He fucking kills it with lines like "Your problem is you spent your whole life thinking there are rules. There aren’t. We used to be gorillas. All we had was what we could take and defend" and "Some roads you shouldn’t go down. Because maps used to say ‘There be dragons here.’ Now they don’t. But that doesn't mean the dragons aren’t there."

I'm a book called The German Genius and Thornton's character seems to have an element of Nietzschean ideas.

Anyway, I'm interested to see Lester's transformation. The scene with his wife was jarring. Between that and Thornton, I'm sold on the show.

[Bacchus]

The first season was great. This scene was a particular favorite:

[Fomalhaut]

Anyone watching the second season? I find this quote in particular funny in the context of S2:

(07-03-2014 07:54 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

I think the problem with Lester's transformation is that he's also a complete and total scumbag. Yeah, he's alpha but look what he did to both his wives (the first one did have it coming, though). At heart he's still a little worm and a coward who makes dumb decisions but usually gets himself out of them and runs away. He just now has no moral compunctions holding him back like he did in the beginning.

I've noticed the show is big on portraying guys as either stupid or evil and the most intelligent character is a fat woman Mary Sue. Hardly a red pill show.

I think the old-school alpha character on the show is the fat cop's dad who owns the diner. And I was also massively impressed by the beta cop turned postal worker stepping the fuck up in the finale. He grew a massive set of balls.

Second season's all about him, and he's pretty bad ass.