[Horus]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/colling...6072643723

This is from a while back, but I couldn't find another thread. Basically, a gay bar in Australia won the right to ban women. Sure, I know that they are defending the right to bum each other in their bar away from the gaze of women, or whatever the fuck they do in those places. But does this set a precedent that would allow men-only clubs that no longer exist after caving into pressure from feminists? I'm thinking of that places described in this ROK post. Or is gender discrimination only permissible if you like cock?

[Bad Hussar]

To be honest there are probably existing ways to enforce male only spaces. A few of the original London clubs around St James are still "gentlemen only", or are nominally "co-ed", but have very few women and certain rooms/times which are for men only. I know because when I was in London I knew a woman who would get a kick out of creeping into these rooms to check them out when a guest of a (male) member. She was cool though - not as bad as it sounds.

I think there is a small, but not insignificant market for a classic St James style gentleman's club in many big Western cities for straight men. They end up being very expensive though. Given the space needed and the fact that they almost have to be in an expensive district of an expensive city we're talking many $1,000's for an annual membership. Compared to a health club for example a classic gentleman's club could only have a small fraction of members per square metre.

[Timoteo]

I think there are places where this will still fly for heterosexual men, but not in the West for the most part. At least not and ADVERTISED men's-only space. If men can establish a space purely by word-of-mouth, maybe they can pull it off. But the second women find out about it, they'll seek to destroy it. What I found most interesting about the linked story was that there are women out there with a mission of turning gay men straight, and that this practice is prevalent enough for gay men to seek a space where they're "safe" from these predators!

[Bad Hussar]

(04-15-2014 11:59 AM)Timoteo Wrote:  

... What I found most interesting about the linked story was that there are women out there with a mission of turning gay men straight, and that this practice is prevalent enough for gay men to seek a space where they're "safe" from these predators!

For some reason you often hear of this happening in Zimbabwe of all places. Every 2 or 3 months there's a story out of that country of a man being "raped" by a group of women. The reason, though often not mentioned in media reports, is that the women/the local society consider it "corrective rape" of a man they have reason to believe is gay.

[Grit]

I doubt men go to a male only space and ask them to pay for the same goods available in other places, just to afford the lack of women (who incite men to spend big bucks). If they had exclusive products, drinks, liquor brands- possibly. But then it becomes hideously expensive.

In a way, capitalism has fostered a culture of exclusivity. If you are filthy rich, chances are you are spending time between an office in New York, home in the Hamptons, vacation on a yacht in Cannes during film festivals, stopovers in Monaco, etc. You need never step in a Walmart or public bus. In the vein of Lion of the Blogosphere, rich people are bourgeois bohemian, or 'bobo'; they simply live covertly until they all coalesce in ultra rich meetups like Cannes.

If the system encourages you to make multibillion dollar efforts to obtain that exclusivity, the system will bring the hammer down on middle class attempts to give space back to men only.

P.S. I cant think of anything more powerful to the female hamster than exclusivity. Notice that with normal men, excluding women will first make them want it, but that soon turns to boiling hatred and abandonment; attempts to shame or ostracize. If this story starts a trend, we might see women come to despise gay men for 'excluding' them...

[Horus]

Perhaps it's a different world in the USA and UK in terms of exclusivity. I was thinking about places like this lawn bowling club in New Zealand which has traditionally allowed elderly men to congregate away from their deteriorating wives. I'm sure that when I am in my 60s/70s, a women-free club would be a haven.