[JJ Roberts]

Cutting out ALL forms of sugar from your diet that comes not attached to the thing it comes with is pretty good advice.

In other words. Piece of fruit = good. Pretty much everything else = not.

Definitely want to see this film

https://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/fe...ign=buffer

Good article here :

http://www.everydayhealth.com/columns/my...adventure/

[kinjutsu]

I've cut out all forms of processed sugar from my diet (as much as humanly possible).

I like that my energy level throughout the day is even and i don't have spikes or crashes

[WestIndianArchie]

I end up eating a lot of fruit

[JJ Roberts]

By the way, for those who can't bear the idea of giving up chocolate, you dont need to. High cocoa dark chocolate is much healthier.

I have a bar of the 85% Lindt in my fridge right now

http://healthyeater.com/dark-chocolate-best-and-worst

[FrenchCanadian]

Yes, sugar is pure poison.
Salt is another thing people should start cutting out of their diets.
I'm currently on a low cholesterol, low sodium, low sugar diet and I'm feeling better than I ever have.

[Jukes]

Honey especially Orange Blossoms (very sweet ) is a good alternative . Mashed bananas in oatmeal too .

[JJ Roberts]

(04-11-2014 03:02 PM)FrenchCanadian Wrote:  

Salt is another thing people should start cutting out of their diets.

Salt is a 100% necessary part of the diet of every animal on the planet that has muscles.

If you don't have salt in your diet your muscles stop working.

http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/n...-diet.html

[FrenchCanadian]

(04-11-2014 03:30 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 03:02 PM)FrenchCanadian Wrote:  

Salt is another thing people should start cutting out of their diets.

Salt is a 100% necessary part of the diet of every animal on the planet that has muscles.

If you don't have salt in your diet your muscles stop working.

http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/n...-diet.html

Look at the sodium intake of an average person. The % are often through the roof. Salt is the number one conservative agent.

[Switch]

I don't know about y'all, but I always feel like shit whenever I eat processed sugars. Just a whole body fog from head to toe and it takes a day or two to go away.

100th post

[RexImperator]

(04-11-2014 03:35 PM)FrenchCanadian Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 03:30 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 03:02 PM)FrenchCanadian Wrote:  

Salt is another thing people should start cutting out of their diets.

Salt is a 100% necessary part of the diet of every animal on the planet that has muscles.

If you don't have salt in your diet your muscles stop working.

http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/n...-diet.html

Look at the sodium intake of an average person. The % are often through the roof. Salt is the number one conservative agent.

Yes, but that's probably due to eating processed food, not from spinkling salt on home cooking.

[It_is_my_time]

I cut out all my processed sugars about 3 months ago. I never ate much of it, but I will never go back. I feel so much better without it. I have way more energy and I sleep less.

In place of sugar, such as soda, I have tea. If I get a sweet tooth I have a little bit of honey.

I would recommend anyone to stop eating processed sugar.

[soup]

Co-sign

[JJ Roberts]

Another solid tip is, if you really feel you need some kind of sweetener in tea or coffee,use Stevia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia

Its a leaf so its natural and it has practically no effect on blood glucose

[YoungDominican]

Yeah, posted about this once. http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-28095.html

[Moto]

(04-11-2014 04:53 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

Another solid tip is, if you really feel you need some kind of sweetener in tea or coffee,use Stevia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia

Its a leaf so its natural and it has practically no effect on blood glucose

I've got a stevia plant growing on my balcony. Dried some leaves by just leaving them in a shot glass. Low and behold, all of the crystals just fell off and collected at the bottom. No need to grind or anything. Tastes better than the packets of processed stevia extract cut with fiber (at best) or other synthetic toxic sweeteners. Stay away from Truvia, because it is not true!

[Scesci]

Tim Ferris on Fruit consumption (in his fat loss, slow carb diet context)

Quote:

RULE 4: DON'T EAT FRUIT.

Humans don't need fruit six days a week, and they certainly don't need it year-round. If your ancestors were from Europe, for example, how much fruit did they eat in the winter 500 years ago? Think they had Florida oranges in December? Not a chance. But you're still here, so the lineage somehow survived.
The only exceptions to the no-fruit rule are tomatoes and avocadoes, and the latter should be eaten in moderation (no more than one cup or one meal per day). Otherwise, just say no to fruit and its principal sugar, fructose, which is converted to glycerol phosphate more efficiently than almost all other carbohydrates. Glycerol phosphate p triglycerides (via the liver) p fat storage. There are a few biochemical exceptions to this, but avoiding fruit six days per week is the most reliable policy.
But what's this "six days a week" business? It's the seventh day that allows you, if you so desire, to eat peach crepes and banana bread until you go into a coma.

Quote:

THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT: FRUCTOSE

Can fruit juice really screw up fat-loss?
Oh, yes. And it screws up much more. Not to speculate, I tested the effect of fructose in two tests, the first during a no-fructose diet (no juice, no fruit) and the second after one week of consuming 14 ounces-about 1.5 large glasses-of pulp-free orange juice upon waking and before bed. The orange juice was the only thing distinguishing diets A and B. The changes were incredible.

Before (10/16, no fructose) and after (10/23, orange juice):
Cholesterol: 203 -> 243 (out of "healthy" range)
LDL: 127 -> 165 (also out of range)

There were two other values that shot up unexpectedly:

Albumin: 4.3 -> 4.9 (out of range)
Iron: 71 -> 191 (!) (out of range aka into the stratosphere)

Albumin binds to testosterone and renders it inert, much like SHBG (discussed in "Sex Machine") but weaker. I don't want either to be out-of-range high. Bad for the manly arts. If you said "Holy sh*t!" when you saw the iron jump, we're in the same boat. This result was completely out of the blue and is not good, especially in men. It might come as a surprise, but men don't menstruate. This means that men lack a good method for clearing out excessive iron, which can be toxic. The increase in iron was far more alarming to me than the changes in cholesterol.
Here is just one of several explanations from the research literature:

In addition to contributing to metabolic abnormalities, the consumption of fructose has been reported to affect homeostasis of numerous trace elements. Fructose has been shown to increase iron absorption in humans and experimental animals. Fructose intake [also] decreases the activity of the copper enzyme superoxide dismutase (SOD) and reduces the concentration of serum and hepatic copper.
The moral of the story? Don't drink fruit juice, and absolutely avoid a high-fructose diet. It doesn't do the body good.

From the site http://www.fourhourbody.net/forbidden-fr...body-diet/

Quote:

Eating 5 pieces of fruit a day has long been a health campaign promoted in a lot of countries. Tim Ferriss throws this notion out the window with the main reason being fructose.

Fructose is one of the main sugars found in fruit along with glucose. The thing with fructose which makes it different from glucose is the way our body processes it.

Glucose has a different chemical structure to fructose so when it enters the body all the organs can metabolize it. Fructose on the otherhand can only be metabolized by the liver. This causes problems if the liver has too much fructose to process.

If the liver can’t process the fructose fast enough for the body to use as sugar, then it instead starts producing fats also known as triglycerides and sends them off into the blood stream. Triglycerides are a risk factor for heart disease plus everyone knows fat in the liver is not a good thing for the body.

Another problem with fructose if it gets converted into fats is, it ends up bypassing our normal appetite signalling system so tricks the body into thinking it is still starving which of course it is not. This encourages us to eat more which is why fructose is often associated with weight gain.

A final issue with fructose is it regulates the dopamine reactors in our brain so when we have a “dose”, the next time we’ll need more to satisfy ourselves. e.g. drinking a can of cola, you’ll want more than one can next time to get the same pleasurable feeling.

As the book – The Four Hour Body points out, our fruit consumption these days has increased so much as there is more available than ever before. Fruit used to be a seasonal food you would eat when plentiful, to “fatten” you up before you got into winter where food was scarce. Nowadays we can consume most fruits every day of the year so it no longer is regarded as a treat but as a staple of our diet. Tim Ferriss argues that “humans don’t need fruit six days a week, and they certainly don’t need it year-round” hence the reason for the rule “don’t eat fruit” which in other words equates to go “fructose free”

[soup]

Learn to relish savory foods.

[Tail Gunner]

(04-11-2014 06:07 PM)Scesci Wrote:  

Tim Ferris on Fruit consumption (in his fat loss, slow carb diet context)

Quote:

RULE 4: DON'T EAT FRUIT.

Humans don't need fruit six days a week, and they certainly don't need it year-round. If your ancestors were from Europe, for example, how much fruit did they eat in the winter 500 years ago? Think they had Florida oranges in December? Not a chance. But you're still here, so the lineage somehow survived.

I crack up reading stuff like this. Our ancient ancestors did not have access to toothbrushes or to sewage systems either. Yet, we are much better off with them today. What people had access to 500 years ago is irrelevant. What matters is the science behind the hypothesis.

I absolutely agree that fruit juice is not good because it includes unnaturally condensed levels of sugar. But eating moderate levels of fruit is fine, especially if it replaces refined sugar sources.

[VincentVinturi]

(04-12-2014 03:01 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

I absolutely agree that fruit juice is not good because it includes unnaturally condensed levels of sugar. But eating moderate levels of fruit is fine, especially if it replaces refined sugar sources.

Define moderate.

1. Fruit is just a delivery mechanism for fructose.

2. Most supermarket fruit has been preferentially bred for sweetness and appearance. Wild fruits like berries are often incredibly tart.

3. I've gone months without eating fruit and felt awesome. A few handfuls of berries every few days is fine but "an apple a day" is utter nonsense.

[RawGod]

(04-12-2014 03:01 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

I crack up reading stuff like this. Our ancient ancestors did not have access to toothbrushes or to sewage systems either. Yet, we are much better off with them today.

You need to take the toothbrush red pill buddy!

We only need them because of of our modern diets. Ever seen photographs of African tribesmen with gleaming perfect teeth? Weston Price and others have done research on dental health in pre-modern societies and confirmed it.

We evolved to have a self-regulating oral environment, just like other animals.

Note that I do use a toothbrush, you'd have to be hardcore paleo to contemplate giving it up as it's not only sugar but all sorts of things like grains, caffeine and modern fruits which have disrupted our mouths.

[Flavius Aetius]

Yes I too am on the no-sugar bandwagon. I also don't eat fruit either--just substitute it with vegetables which are much lower in calories and much more filling. The temptation with fruit is that you eat too much of it while not feeling very full afterwards. Try eating a serving or two of broccoli and not feel full (like 60 calories). Or peeled carrots for that matter.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(04-11-2014 01:55 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

Cutting out ALL forms of sugar from your diet that comes not attached to the thing it comes with is pretty good advice.

[Enigma]

This thread makes me want some ice cream.

[anonymous123]

I'd appreciate a little extra on views/breakdown on fruit. (how often, types, etc.). In particular, how do you view these three: 1) banana, 2) mango, 3) pineapple. [assume all fresh / not frozen]

I'm especially curious about fruit for a few reasons:
- Only time I've ever felt like I could lose weight efficiently was when I've committed to a low carb type lifestyle (no bread, pasta, rice, etc.). Basically came down to avoiding things that broke down into sugar
- Over time I found myself feeling like I wasn't getting enough nutrients (read, wasn't getting enough nutrients from greens). This would result in me going "on" and "off", and in the long run wasn't a good solution
- I discovered green smoothies, and these made me feel great. BUT, even when committing to eliminating stuff that I know doesn't work for me (bread, pasta, rice, etc.) my weight loss slowed. For a while I didn't care because I felt great.
- I recently started reading some stuff on juicing (mostly MikeCF blog) and realized that although I was getting wonderful nutrients from my green smoothies, my fruit consumption has been up by a good 6X. Which probably explains why even when eating "clean", weight loss is slow unless I crank up the cardio.
- As an example, my fruit consumption when eating "healthy" might be two green shakes per day. Shake #1 fruit might include a whole mango (skin on) and a grip of frozen strawberries. Shake #2 fruit might be a whole banana with frozen strawberries (or a whole apple with frozen cherries)

My ex-wife introduced me to this and I think there is something to getting a bunch of kale/spinach/greens in your system, but I think her ability to process a bunch of fruit is likely better than mine. I just recently had an aha moment that I may be eating too much fruit as a result of making green smoothies. I am now going to try a juicer to see if I can't get my green/veggie nutrients without cranking up my fruit consumption.

I hope this isn't a thread hijack. My thinking is that we can all agree that refined sugars and process food that breaks down into sugar needs to be avoided. I think the gray area and most of the debate on sugar comes down to the view on fruit (especially fresh "whole food" fruits). Many people think you can eat as much fresh fruit as you want. Others think you need to watch fruit intake lest you trigger an insulin spike. I'm interested in learning more because I do think there is some merit to the debate that my ex-wife would put forth, which is that you can drink all the green smoothies you want (packed with fruit), but then you have to be careful about everything else (basically eggs in morning and fish at night). The bitch has a smoking body and preaches the word on this shit (and has a following). I'm just starting to question whether or not this approach works for me.

[Scesci]

(04-12-2014 03:01 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 06:07 PM)Scesci Wrote:  

Tim Ferris on Fruit consumption (in his fat loss, slow carb diet context)

Quote:

RULE 4: DON'T EAT FRUIT.

Humans don't need fruit six days a week, and they certainly don't need it year-round. If your ancestors were from Europe, for example, how much fruit did they eat in the winter 500 years ago? Think they had Florida oranges in December? Not a chance. But you're still here, so the lineage somehow survived.

I crack up reading stuff like this. Our ancient ancestors did not have access to toothbrushes or to sewage systems either. Yet, we are much better off with them today. What people had access to 500 years ago is irrelevant. What matters is the science behind the hypothesis.

I absolutely agree that fruit juice is not good because it includes unnaturally condensed levels of sugar. But eating moderate levels of fruit is fine, especially if it replaces refined sugar sources.

I've half assedly quoted The 4 Hour Body by Tim Ferris, that part is from the chapter Slow Carb diet part 1, that's a guideline for that specific regimen, in the cheat day you can eat all the fruit you want

the book is about experimenting and the biochemical applications of foods on the body, for example he uses Fructose as a tool for Preventing fat gain when you binge

Chapter Damage Control

Quote:

The Lost Art of Bingeing
Sitting down for Thanksgiving dinner or butter cookies at Christmas?
Sounds like a binge. That, in and of itself, doesn’t need to mean horrible guilt and extra fat
rolls afterward. If you plan ahead of time and understand a little science, it’s possible to
minimize the damage. I eat whatever I want every Saturday, and I follow specific steps to
minimize fat gain during this overfeeding.
In basic terms our goal is simple: to have as much of the crap ingested either go into muscle
tissue or out of the body unabsorbed.
I do this by focusing on three principles:
PRINCIPLE #1: MINIMIZE THE RELEASE OF INSULIN, A STORAGE HORMONE.
Insulin release is minimized by blunting sharp jumps in blood sugar:
1. Ensure that your First meal of the day is not a binge meal. Make it high in protein (at least 30
grams) and insoluble Fiber (legumes will handle this). The protein will decrease your appetite
for the remainder of the binge and prevent total self-destruction. The Fiber will be important
later to prevent diarrhea. In total, this can be a smallish meal of 300–500 calories.
2. Consume a small quantity of fructose, fruit sugar, in grapefruit juice before the second meal,
which is the Firrst crap meal. Even small fructose dosing has an impressive near-flat-lining effect
on blood glucose. I could consume this at the first meal, but I prefer to combine the naringin in
grapefruit juice with coffee, as it extends the effects of caffeine.

...

4. Consume citric juices, whether lime juice squeezed into water, lemon juice on food, or a
beverage like the citrus kombucha I had.