[Col. Tigh]

Are there two kinds of "lesbians?" And do former lesbians make "keepers" who stay married longer than carousel-riding straight women?

I call to mind Chirlane McCray, the wife of New York City mayor Bill De Blasio, who wrote an essay published by Essence magazine in 1979 about her coming out as a lesbian. Some years later, she married De Blasio and had two children:
   

I also came across this article from 2010, by a British woman who used to be a lesbian but is now married with four children. Here she was with her first girlfriend:
   

And more recently:
   

Some gems from this woman's observations about lesbians:

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From 1988 until 2000 I lived in lesbian households, drank in lesbian pubs, went on gay rights marches and viewed my long-term future as being exclusively with women.

What turned her off, unsurprisingly, is the endless verbiage and baseless jealousy that women seem unable to avoid:

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The sheer amount of talking and analysing that went on was exhausting. The women I went out with were by and large more inclined to be insecure and to need reassurance and I found myself in the male role of endlessly reassuring my girlfriends. The subtle mood changes of everyday life would be picked over inexhaustibly.
One girlfriend was so insecure that every single time we enjoyed a night out - usually at a bar - we would have a row and have to leave. She would convince herself that I was flirting with another woman and, however much I tried not to catch anyone's eye, she wouldn't believe me.
Back home, we would then spend the next four hours arguing about our relationship and my feelings of loyalty, fidelity and so on. It was never-ending. It may sound prosaic but when you add female hormones into the mix, the problems are even worse.

But even after a dozen years in the lesbian role, she needed the masculinity that only a male can provide:

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Unlike most men, women, of course, offer each other endless support and there's hardly ever any lack of communication.
But - bizarre as it may seem - I found myself longing for exactly the opposite. I wanted a bit more difference, a little less talking and a bit more edge and my relationships often paid the price.

And about the plasticity of female sexuality:

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I repeat, I know many people are totally convinced that they are born gay and have absolutely no choice over their sexual orientation.
All I can say is that I believe not every gay person is gay for life. In particular, I believe that many women are capable of feeling attracted to other women - to be with someone who believes it's perfectly normal to talk about how you feel and wants to know every single thought that passes through your head.

I believe she is correct. It is natural for women to feel attraction to both men and women, but only a portion are "born gay"--usually the "butch" types, a.k.a. bull dykes. The "femmes" are simply enjoying a lark, and more often than not, end up with a man.

At the same time, it seems that women who tried out lesbianism--instead of riding the cock carousel--are not damaged by it in the same way. In fact, once they get married and have children with a man, they seem to stay married for good.

[Ziltoid]

Food for thought, for sure.

I've not met that many verifiable lesbians. But, the ones I have met, despite the tomboyishness of the butch ones and some other general masculine mannerisms, in a way they give off a more 'feminine' inner vibe than the bulk of hetero women do. They're fun and pleasurable to hang around with, they're agreeable, they deal with guys hitting on them with playful spirits, and they make for good conversation.

Col. Tigh Wrote:

At the same time, it seems that women who tried out lesbianism--instead of riding the cock carousel--are not damaged by it in the same way.

Never connected the dots on this before, but this seems like the logical conclusion.
Further evidence that the more dicks a girl allows inside of her, the more damaged and insufferable she becomes.

[HeyPete]

At the very least they know what it's like to deal with women. And can know how un-fun that can be..

Also, W/B the NYC mayors daughter.

[Flavius Aetius]

The whole fluidity theory of sexuality is junk science. However, I think the examples show how young women can be manipulated by homosexual propaganda and social conditioning. Hollywood, the mass media, academic institutions, and even the medical establishment have spent billions of dollars in propaganda to normalize and elevate homosexuality (a deviant sexual behavior) and in many ways make it cool, exciting, etc for young people.

It is like joining a special club with benefits (preferential treatment under the law and in employment, college admissions, federal grant money). Every time you watch a tv show or a movie it portrays homosexuals in a positive light--always educated, smart, funny, well dressed, upwardly mobile. For some radical feminists homosexuality is promoted as a political statement as pro-woman.

No wonder some vulnerable young kids fall for these lies. If you attack kids while they they are still intellectually vulnerable (young), you can get them to believe almost anything. However, as they age some realize their mistake. Just as 2 +2 =4 -- man + woman=normal relationship. Congrats to the ladies in the examples above for finally realizing the truth.

[runsonmagic]

Most lesbians have had sex with a man.

http://www.returnofkings.com/22816/how-t...raight-man

[Bad Hussar]

This will sound pedantic, but it honestly isn't my intention...

A woman who, in her life, has had significant sexual feelings/desires, and acted on them, with both men and women isn't a lesbian. She is bisexual. I don't buy that between 198x and 199x she was lesbian then after that she was straight. They are just playing with labels. This is the problem with homosexual identity, and political homosexuality. Those obsessed with this identity end up tying themselves in knots.

I agree that there are very few true lesbians. Even someone as butch, ugly and disagreeable (at least in later life) as Andrea Dworkin have significant sexual history with men. In Dworkin's case she was even married to a man. It's nonsense to say that she later "discovered" that she was a lesbian. It was just a socio-political label for her.

[DJ-Matt]

Relevant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_bed_death

[Days of Broken Arrows]

There is some science that explains why women can go from straight to gay and back, but usually not men. Male sexuality gets frozen by age 15 or so (see link).

That said, I've never met a bisexual woman who wasn't odd or troubled on some level so I think there is a personality trait or two that goes along with this. Unlike most lesbians, who are happy to watch sports and hang at Home Depot, these women tend to live their lives LOUD.

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2012...hangeable/

[caracal]

I get sick of lesbians and gays saying they were 'born' lesbian/gay. I'm sure there is a small proportion of them that are, but they are nowhere near 100% of the homosexual population and many lesbians are open to taking the dick (less so for pussy and gay men) given the right circumstances.

[Lucario]

There is not such thing as a lesbian apart from butch lesbians....but they are so damaged.

If anything, these young girls are programmed by mainstream media think that they are lesbians...couples with how women naturally feel more comfortable with other women, it ends up convincing them they are lesbians by homosexual propaganda.

This crap was not happening years ago.


Also porn is definitely a huge factor to blame for this considering more young women watch porn .

Almost every porn star does lesbian stuff, and lesbian porn is also portrayed as more sensual which is what women like to see(completely different with how they like it in bed) , which,due to women's weird wiring, makes them turned on by it even if they are straight, so they now think they were lesbian all this while and start being lesbians.


That is why when I meet these femme girls, I just look at them as deluded straight girls and I game them as hard as I can to get them to play for the right team.

[porscheguy]

I believe that a certain percentage of males are born with a wire crossed that makes them homosexual. It's one of nature's way of culling the herd of excess males. Kind of like how males are more likely to be sick and die as infants.

Being a dyke OTOH, that is a social construct. I've never heard of a dyke who didn't have issues with men. Most of these women who become dykes, give it up and go back to taking the dick once they decide to stop being pissed at their daddies. Those who remain dykes for life tend to be damaged beyond repair.

[Suits]

All women are bi-sexual.

http://www.salon.com/2009/01/24/female_desire/

[berserk]

There are definitely real lesbians, the dyke masculine tomboys are the equivalent of the trannies. I believe that trannies would be much more common in western countries (and others) if they didn't face as much public humiliation. In countries where they don't, they are far more numerous, such as in Thailand for example, where the dykes called 'toms' are also very common and behave very masculine and usually try to get or have a feminine girlfriend called a 'dee'. Most of these 'dee' lesbians eventually end up with a man.

This has led me to believe that the only 'real' homosexuals men and women are the ones with biologically different wiring, probably to do with testosterone in the womb.

[Muk]

I don't believe for a second that homosexuality is genetic
The way that genetics works is that there is a gene that makes one person more reproductively successful than those who lack it, or at the very least, has no effect at all. any gene that makes one less successful, even a tiny bit, would soon see that gene crowded out by those who lack it.
Basically, in order for a gay gene to exist for 200,000 years of human evolution, those who have it would need to reproduce AT LEAST as much as straight people. Sure, some gays reproduce with straight people, but there is no way it would be at a rate equal to, or even near normal couples.

Homosexuality is nearly completely socialized with the only biological impact on it being those born with, or produces more of the alternate sex's (the term "opposite sex" is a pet peeve of mine. Males and females are not opposites) sex hormones. Hormones determine outward appearances, and in some cases, behavior, but it doesn't impact their sexuality. A boy with more estrogen may develop more feminine qualities, but it won't make him stick things up his ass. The feminine qualities make him identify more with girls, and makes other children treat him differently, The negative, and positive social interactions is what makes him become gay. The estrogen, or the genes make him more likely to become gay, but it doesn't make him gay.

[L M McCoy]

(03-28-2014 05:23 PM)Muk Wrote:  

I don't believe for a second that homosexuality is genetic
The way that genetics works is that there is a gene that makes one person more reproductively successful than those who lack it, or at the very least, has no effect at all. any gene that makes one less successful, even a tiny bit, would soon see that gene crowded out by those who lack it.
Basically, in order for a gay gene to exist for 200,000 years of human evolution, those who have it would need to reproduce AT LEAST as much as straight people. Sure, some gays reproduce with straight people, but there is no way it would be at a rate equal to, or even near normal couples.

Homosexuality is nearly completely socialized with the only biological impact on it being those born with, or produces more of the alternate sex's (the term "opposite sex" is a pet peeve of mine. Males and females are not opposites) sex hormones. Hormones determine outward appearances, and in some cases, behavior, but it doesn't impact their sexuality. A boy with more estrogen may develop more feminine qualities, but it won't make him stick things up his ass. The feminine qualities make him identify more with girls, and makes other children treat him differently, The negative, and positive social interactions is what makes him become gay. The estrogen, or the genes make him more likely to become gay, but it doesn't make him gay.

Most people are a product of the environment they were raised in. However, your post made me laugh really hard. Informative yet funny. Nice touch