[Tuthmosis]

I re-watched the video and it's true: the white car moving made all the difference. If that car stays in place, the black dude doesn't tip over (@0:42) and lose his balance--and critical top position--in the process.

Therefore it wasn't a completely clean fight. However inadvertent, there was some intervention from exterior players.

   

[WanderingSoul]

(03-25-2014 12:20 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I re-watched the video and it's true: the white car moving made all the difference. If that car stays in place, the black dude doesn't tip over and lose his balance--and top position in the process.

(03-25-2014 12:02 PM)Osiris Wrote:  

I also noticed if the car had stayed there it would have had a very different outcome.

The buddy should have pulled them apart as soon as he started drilling his head like rock em sock em robots, that's past self defense at that point.

(03-25-2014 12:11 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

But the more I think about it, the black guy might have had a chance with the second guy. Second guy was smaller and hype. Sort of like the guys that start fights when he has friends with him at the bar. Because of that he was never gonna break up that fight.

[Tuthmosis]

^^^

[Quintus Curtius]

(03-25-2014 10:21 AM)soup Wrote:  

At the beginning of the video the guy seemed all agitated and worked up. At the end he seemed disoriented, but far more peaceful and centered.

Subconsciously, he probably wanted to get beat. His problem isn't that he doesn't fight well, it's that he's not owning his shit. There's something about his life that he's not dealing with, and it's clearly causing him aggravation. He's got demons inside of him that he can't control so he went out looking for someone to help put them down, at least for the temporary moment.

Kudos to Soup here for making a very perceptive observation. The loudmouth who got beaten up here actually wanted to be beaten up. The more you think about it, the more sense it makes.

He wasn't feeling good about his life, and went out looking for an altercation as a way of "self-flagellation."

Interesting, how the mind works....


qc

[Monty Brown]

[j r]

(03-25-2014 09:22 AM)kinjutsu Wrote:  

Dumb black guys like this give other black people a bad name. Plain and simple.

No. No they don't. Anyone who feels that way already felt that way. No one looks at that video and goes, "I used to love black people, but now..."

Anyone with an experienced view of the world can see that guy has more in common with white trailer trash than he does with a middle-class non-ghetto black dude. Even among ghetto types, that guy stands out as a clown. Serious men don't jaw that much before getting into it.

I kind of feel bad for that guy, but I don't. He asked for it and judging by his behavior, he's likely to have been involved in a few wolf pack type beat downs of people who were unlucky enough to be caught somewhere alone.

[CarCrashKid]

If you're going to fight, fight.
Don't let your opponent get worked up and cocky.
Don't waste your breath before it get knocked out of you.

[Cr33pin]

Had the roles been reversed....

[porscheguy]

(03-25-2014 10:38 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 04:59 AM)KeepMovingForward Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 04:14 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

I'm actually unsure about the legal aspect of this. The guy hits him with about 4 or so extra punches after he'd incapacitated him. You can kill people doing that.

Yeah, probably some kind of point where he should stop, but in the heat of the moment you cant blame him for making sure the guy was unable to retaliate.

Also, the dude woke up pretty quick, so didn't look like he took too much damage.

That doesn't mean anything, the waking up part. Boxers can operate for a while even though they have early signs of brain damage. Look up Gerald McClellan. That said, I don't think this one street fight is comparable to a boxing career!

(03-25-2014 09:06 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 04:14 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

I'm actually unsure about the legal aspect of this. The guy hits him with about 4 or so extra punches after he'd incapacitated him. You can kill people doing that.

He can also be killed if he walks away before fully incapacitating his attacker and allowing him to grab a weapon.

I wasn't passing any kind of moral judgement, just stating the case.

That weird shit he was doing at the end is called getting starched. Basically your brain gets rattled around and your CNS gets overloaded and has to reset itself. That guy was probably awake and alert within a few minutes of that video ending.

Although he had some good hits in, it's unlikely he'd kill the guy from that angle. If the guy had been on his back that's a different story. What you've got to understand is that it really doesn't take much to knock someone out, but to kill them is a different story. The human skull and brain are also adapted to endure significant impacts head on without losing much long term cognitive function. That's why one of my friends had to have a piece of his skull, about the same diameter as a coke can removed and replaced with a metal plate due to a mountain biking accident and he was back to work two weeks later, and Michael Schumacher, who had no skull fractures when he hit the side of his head 3 months ago is still essentially in a coma.

As for the legality of it, he'd walk. The black guy provoked the altercation and swung first.

The white guy probably did some wrestling in high school. Everyone thinks he might have lost it if the car hadn't moved, but pay attention to him when the car did move. He pulled some basic high school wrestling moves to get the other guy under his control so he could deliver a beat down.

[soup]

I just saw a guy who looks exactly like this.. But he didn't have that goofy kick out the feet, fake machismo duck walk that this guy was trying to affect.

[randomForest]

(03-25-2014 12:20 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I re-watched the video and it's true: the white car moving made all the difference. If that car stays in place, the black dude doesn't tip over (@0:42) and lose his balance--and critical top position--in the process.

Therefore it wasn't a completely clean fight. However inadvertent, there was some intervention from exterior players.

Good catch.

Still can't say I feel a dime's worth of sympathy for the New York dude though. The man broke what's probably THE cardinal social rule among men: don't fuck with guys who are bigger than you. Boys learn this lesson as early as pre-school.

When you talk that much noise to two guys twice your size you better be able to back it up. At any cost.

[MHaes]

(03-25-2014 03:18 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

The human skull and brain are also adapted to endure significant impacts head on without losing much long term cognitive function.

Concussions?

I can think of a few guys I played football with who are still affected by their concussions from big hits, multiple years after the event.

[speakeasy]

(03-25-2014 02:36 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

Had the roles been reversed....

The white dude held his own pretty good being that he was fighting several dudes at once.

Those black dudes clearly couldn't fight. If you got 3 against one guy that should be an overwhelming victory. Anything short of that means you guys can't fight for shit.

That ass at the end was the most interesting thing to watch.

[Teutatis]

(03-25-2014 12:20 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I re-watched the video and it's true: the white car moving made all the difference. If that car stays in place, the black dude doesn't tip over (@0:42) and lose his balance--and critical top position--in the process.

Therefore it wasn't a completely clean fight. However inadvertent, there was some intervention from exterior players.

I disagree, the white guy was in a better position when they both fell on the ground but when the car moved back it made him lose the position and fall on his back thus giving the black guy the top position and as such the advantage, but the white guy reversed it very well and fast.

[speakeasy]

This comment kills me:

Quote:

Looked likem he was having an out of body experience at the end.

[porscheguy]

(03-25-2014 10:01 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 12:20 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I re-watched the video and it's true: the white car moving made all the difference. If that car stays in place, the black dude doesn't tip over (@0:42) and lose his balance--and critical top position--in the process.

Therefore it wasn't a completely clean fight. However inadvertent, there was some intervention from exterior players.

I disagree, the white guy was in a better position when they both fell on the ground but when the car moved back it made him lose the position and fall on his back thus giving the black guy the top position and as such the advantage, but the white guy reversed it very well and fast.

I'm with you. You'll note that the white guy held onto the blacks guys arm and got him turned over. I would bet that the white guy spent a few years as a wrestler in high school.

[Hotwheels]

His homies giving him some hate on his FB.



lolzzzzz

[Bushido]

(03-24-2014 09:06 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Good clean fight:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b88_1395106987

Roosh, I've noticed a lot of recent threads from you about fighting.

Are you planning on releasing your next book - "Day Fight" anytime soon?

[Frontenac]

Those yoga pics were the funniest things I've seen all day.

[Suits]

(03-25-2014 09:58 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

That ass at the end was the most interesting thing to watch.

Ya, that's what my attention was focused on throughout the video.

[speakeasy]

(03-25-2014 10:26 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

His homies giving him some hate on his FB.



lolzzzzz

And on top of that beat down he's with a fatty.

[savvylurker]

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I disagree, the white guy was in a better position when they both fell on the ground but when the car moved back it made him lose the position and fall on his back thus giving the black guy the top position and as such the advantage, but the white guy reversed it very well and fast.
[/quote]I'm with you. You'll note that the white guy held onto the blacks guys arm and got him turned over. I would bet that the white guy spent a few years as a wrestler in high school.
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Agreed. The white guy was going to win, because he was bigger, stronger, and a better grappler. Once it went to the ground it was a done deal because the black guy doesn't know how to wrestle. High school wrestling is a good investment.

[rhodey]

(03-25-2014 02:50 AM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

Did nobody else see that right around 43 secs if the white car doesn't unexpectedly pull back, the white dude would've had his head pounded repeatedly against the car, and the black dude wouldn't have gone over, lost his balance, and allowed the white dude to get on top. When the bigger dude gets on top, it's game over.

Regardless, it was a stupid call on the black guys part. Never take on multiple bigger guys - atleast unless you are extremely well trained in some kind of fighting technique, and even then stay out. MikeCF's street fighting guide obviously covers it best.

It was game over from the beginning. The guys friend would have jumped in at the first sign of trouble.

I don't like seeing semi unconscious dudes getting pounded into brain damage territory, that shit is sickening to me.

These scraps are not so ugly

[soup]

I disagree, the white guy was in a better position when they both fell on the ground but when the car moved back it made him lose the position and fall on his back thus giving the black guy the top position and as such the advantage, but the white guy reversed it very well and fast.
[/quote]I'm with you. You'll note that the white guy held onto the blacks guys arm and got him turned over. I would bet that the white guy spent a few years as a wrestler in high school.
[/quote]

Agreed. The white guy was going to win, because he was bigger, stronger, and a better grappler. Once it went to the ground it was a done deal because the black guy doesn't know how to wrestle. High school wrestling is a good investment.
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The white guy seemed more focussed and the black guy looked like he was on something.

[cardguy]

Part of me thinks the bigger guy is the one who walks away from a fight.

The other part of me thinks I only think that because I am a shit fighter.

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