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Starting a gentleman's club (nyc)
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Starting a gentleman's club (nyc)

2Wycked's recent article on ROK really struck a chord with me. For those of you who haven't read it, here it is

http://www.returnofkings.com/29410/men-n...emans-club

It got me out out looking for some (in NYC), but the only ones that'd fit the bill are for the elite and super rich. So why not form one for regular guys? Why not one for men who don't feel like dropping 10K+ in club dues? I see a lot of opportunity here in NYC especially. They have mens sheds in the UK; places where men and men only get together to share and learn skills. I imagine a place where men can get together and socialize without having to feel pressure to compete for broads and a place where men can share and learn new skills/information without having to worry about censorship or some angry lesbians filing a frivolous civil suit. Things would probably start off at somebody's place, or if enough interested men were willing to chip in, renting a space someplace.

I'm interested in meeting up IRL with anybody interested in pursuing this idea. Feel free to PM me too.
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I think its a good idea, don't get in over your head right away, just start with finding a place that will rent/give you a private space to use. There were 'clubs' where I used to live that would use bar or restaurant private rooms for meetings. Find a cigar bar or hookah lounge and you are already 90% of the way there for a meeting space, you just need to make it a bit more formal.

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I would highly suggest hiring a consultant first.

Between permits, licenses etc it's all about who you know and how much money you can sink into it.

Trust me I know from owning an Afterhours club in LA. Shit is no joke.
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Are their laws that would prevent this from happening though? Women love to wedge themselves in men only spaces and would probably try to find a way to shut it down.
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Come out to my neck of the woods in Jersey and we'll build a treehouse. We can even make a sign that says "No Girls Allowed". I'm kidding on the square of course.

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I would be down for this. A great group of guys got together 2 weeks ago at a bar downtown.
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Swiping the full article
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/nyregi...enses.html

With its fish-market-perfumed air, waste-transfer stations and a moored prison barge visible just off its coast, the industrial peninsula of Hunts Point in the Bronx has long been somewhat of an indifferent haven for the city’s topless bars and pole dancing parlors.

With names like Club Heat and BadaBing, they proliferated amid the warehouses and next to the Bruckner Expressway after restrictive zoning laws instituted by the Giuliani administration forced them from other neighborhoods.

But one by one, the clubs began to close: Just two years ago, there were four strip clubs in Hunts Point’s 1.6 square miles. Now there are none.

The strip club industry is under broad attack in New York, as opponents have embraced a startlingly effective strategy: Spare the strip clubs, but punish their liquor.

In the last several years, community leaders have found increasing success petitioning the State Liquor Authority to revoke the liquor licenses of numerous strip clubs in New York and deny the applications of new clubs. The opponents cite crime, noise or other quality-of-life issues, or highlight a club owner’s lack of qualifications or possible criminal ties.

The tactics have led many owners to try to operate without selling alcohol — a status that, ironically, because of vagaries in the rules governing exotic dancing, allows the clubs to be totally nude. But the resulting loss of customers makes clear that the presence of alcohol is far more important than the absence of pasties.

And when there is no champagne in the champagne room, the flow of revenue also dries up.

“You go after their liquor license,” said Rafael Salamanca, the district manager of Bronx Community Board 2, which covers Hunts Point. Mr. Salamanca has spearheaded efforts that led to the closing of four clubs in the last two years. “They can’t make any money if they don’t have a liquor license.”

In determining whether to award a license, the authority considers criteria like the proximity of other such establishments and the background of an applicant. The authority also “places substantial weight on the recommendations of community boards and residents living near a proposed bar or restaurant.”

Some of the arguments against a club can be rather straightforward. Mr. Salamanca cited one Hunts Point venue, Club Eleven, that he said was a magnet for trouble; the police were called to numerous fights and assaults that stemmed from the club. And in December 2011, a woman was shot and killed outside.

Other battles require more effort. Club opponents have set up their own task forces and begun to investigate club owners, reporting any dirt to the Liquor Authority. As a result, established venues have seen their liquor licenses contested for reasons that sometimes amount to technicalities.

In the case of Platinum Pleasures in Hunts Point, club owners did not notify the authority and surrender its license when it was temporarily shut for construction work. The owners also failed to disclose that they received $126,880 from an unidentified interest. The authority revoked the club’s license, saying that officials must know who is providing financing. The club closed in 2013; last week, a State Supreme Court justice upheld the decision to revoke its license.

Platinum Pleasures’ sign, featuring female silhouettes, has now been replaced by a For Sale banner. A local pastor has expressed interest in converting the space into a church.

“I feel like we’re being censored,” said Jeff Levy, the executive director of the Association of Club Executives of New York, a trade and advocacy organization for the industry. “Just because the community board or legislators don’t like this type of entertainment doesn’t mean it’s wrong.”

Nonetheless, the more potent community pressures, combined with the restrictive zoning measures, have made it exceedingly difficult for a new strip club to open in the city. Most if not all new clubs that have opened in roughly the last five years have done so in the footprints of former strip clubs, taking advantage of a city Buildings Department stipulation grandfathering in clubs that existed before 1995.

Rick’s Cabaret, the first publicly traded strip club company, opened its first New York City location eight years ago, and has opened 40 more across the country. But it took the company until last year to find a location for a second club in New York; it found a space on West 37th Street that had served at one time as a fetish dungeon, and opened Vivid Cabaret, a strip club, this winter.

“It was not just finding the needle in the haystack, it was finding the needle in the whole farm,” said Allan Priaulx, a spokesman for the company.

Some clubs fight back. Show Palace, a strip club in Long Island City, Queens, filed a lawsuit challenging the Liquor Authority’s denial of a liquor license in 2012. In its rejection letter, the authority cited development planned for the neighborhood, and how a strip club would be inconsistent with the vision for the area’s future.

Samantha R. Darche, who is chief of staff and legislative counsel for Aravella Simotas, a state assemblywoman who represents Long Island City, said the clubs were hardly the welcome banner the neighborhood needed.

“Nothing says, ‘You should move your family here’ like getting off the Queensboro Bridge and getting smacked in the face with a strip club,” Ms. Darche said. In August, a new law spearheaded by Ms. Simotas was passed, requiring sexually oriented businesses to more fully disclose their nature when they apply for liquor licenses. It is intended, proponents acknowledge, to give communities more time to gird for battle.

However, in April, Show Palace was handed a victory by a State Supreme Court justice who overturned the Liquor Authority’s denial on grounds that some of the arguments against it were “capricious” and “arbitrary,” according to the ruling.

In deciding in favor of Show Palace, Justice Manuel J. Mendez affirmed the authority’s prerogative to weigh public sentiment, but said that decisions could not be based “solely on community reaction, and the views or recommendations of elected officials, without factual basis.”

Show Palace, an opulent Vegas-like club, celebrated with a Prohibition-themed party in May. Nine months later, however, the club is still without its liquor license, and serves mocktails with its lap dances; the lower-court ruling was appealed by the authority, and the matter, now before an appellate court, is likely to be decided in a month’s time.

Those in the industry, including owners, trade groups and some of the dancers themselves, say strip clubs can be a boon for desolate neighborhoods. Citing sociological and industry-sponsored studies that show how a strip club can improve its surroundings, they say the establishments increase nighttime foot traffic to the forlorn locales to which they are banished — and where no other business would invest.

They also contend that the campaign against strip clubs is out of touch in a city where today nudity raises few eyebrows, whether flaunted on cable television or plastered on billboards.

Albert J. Pirro, a lawyer representing Show Palace, said the Liquor Authority is catering to a segment of the public “who are more, shall we say, conservative.”

“Whether a girl is dancing naked in front of other people, people who are paying for the privilege, what does it really have to do with the liquor license?” he said.

While most club owners have decided to shut down rather than proceed without alcohol, Show Palace is operating as a juice bar, serving no hard liquor. As such, Show Palace can push a selling point other clubs lack: There may be no vodka, but the dancers are in the raw.

The politics of it all seemed mystifying to one dancer, a 23-year-old woman at Vivid, who declined to give her real name because she had not made her occupation widely known.

“Pretty much any kind of outcast is O.K. in New York,” she said. “So why are strip clubs getting the hammer so hard?”

She then stepped onto the stage, removed her dress and smiled.
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Quote: (03-08-2014 11:43 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

I would highly suggest hiring a consultant first.

Between permits, licenses etc it's all about who you know and how much money you can sink into it.

Trust me I know from owning an Afterhours club in LA. Shit is no joke.

No need to hire anyone.

Don't do it. There are already a handful of stip clubs in NYC that cater to "regular" guys.

Unless you can come up with something more innovative, don't waste your time on it. The hours needed to start such a business are crazy.
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Those guys should get a bit more creative. . . perhaps start a BYO Champagne night? that way you are not selling any alcohol technically, you charge a corkage fee and bingo! profit. Make rules of course that it may only be french, or american high end cabs or etc etc. Its up to the night or owner.

If memory serves me right, many restaurants in Montreal work that way. FUCK YOU to the SAQ, nothing they can do. No liquor license to be suspended, and the servers end up making decent coin.

Hell, a restaurant with purposedly flimsy clothing would be a hit too... they had one in Montreal up to not long ago.
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I would be willing to assist in setting up something like a gentleman's club for the regular guy. I have no idea how to do it. Does anyone have direct experience?

It seems like in NYC especially there is the need for such a place (lack of solid men), and also the resources to have one.
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Aside from the high-end model of Gentlemens Clubs let's take a step back and think how many "average" guys would need/use it. Average I mean the dregs below us like pajama boy who's some urban guy with some cash to spend. He probably has no interest in the shit. But a Gentlemens club that ran workshops and camps with a big focus on education might lure guys in whom are into self-improvement and such. Like having a gun night, learning how to find a good suit and how to get it tailored right, having a barber shop and cafe/resto in the day... Running a bar at night.

If you run it as a "private members" club you can really do whatever you want as long as it falls within the windows of permits and by-laws your granted/contained in. An example: Men have tried to complain about the rape of admission prices to swingers clubs which operate in the same sorta way. They agree to the rules of the club for "memberships" (of 24-hrs) and thus agree to the private establishments rules/fees. It's beta schlubs trying to go after human rights grievances but they have no case. Women get in free some days while a dude has to pay 50-80 bucks, but it's a private club, and you need that business model for it to make any cash.

Same shit with any type of members only club. It's a agreed upon list of rules each member has to "sign for" then restricting women is within your right. Now you can't explicitly "deny women" as that is against human rights laws in most places, but the loophole is just wording the contract with shit women would never agree too, and charging them higher entry fees (with a justification of such few female members that the up charge is needed to maintain their spaces such as a female washroom).

Getting a Liquor license might be the hardest part, and you will get hassled because dumb cops will think any man only space is going to be a hotspot for mafia and other illegal shit. But as people mentioned you can run private parties with a BYOB type thing but then you loose it on cash making opportunities, because let's face it, you will have bills to pay.

Next the type of space you choose will impact what you can do. If it's a "commercial" space you occupy you might be limited on more traditional things like a bar and won't be able to mix things like a barber shop. If you find a mixed-use (residential and commercial) you can be hybrid and get more freedom. If you love in North America and you see those homes with lawyer offices or salons in then that's why I'm getting at. Light Industrial gives you the most freedoms but they are 90% of the time in shitty locations aside from a old factory loft that hasn't been gentrified yet in or near a downtown. With the right space you can get blanket permits and not as many restrictions.

Lastly, yeah women will try to infiltrate, they always do. If the broad complains about the 1,000 up charge then tell the both she should of read the fine print in the "rules of agreement" before signing/accepting.
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I'm not entirely sure that the OP was suggesting starting a strip club. I think that he may be referring to a club for gentlemen, a female free zone to converse as men without distraction or interruption.

Run as a private club, this should be fairly easy.

In fact, if your motivation isn't profit driven, there is no reason why you can't run it out of your private residence.

No law against invite some buds over and going in on a case of beer.

You can do a lot of things, as long as you aren't SELLING alcohol.

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I want to start a gentleman's club as well here in the Bay Area. I am afraid though that the shitload of white-knighting/male feminist assholes here would ruin it along with their feminist female masters.
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Quote: (03-09-2014 01:40 PM)Hispanic_Reasoning Wrote:  

I want to start a gentleman's club as well here in the Bay Area. I am afraid though that the shitload of white-knighting/male feminist assholes here would ruin it along with their feminist female masters.

That would mean you are having success. Never let the fear of what might happen cloud the reality of how difficult it is to actually get the success in the first place.
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why not a meetup group? the fees are up front. the activities are up front. they might have an exclusionary policy, but what if the entrance "requirement" is something most girls simply can't do... tie 10 knots, bench 135 pounds and have a handgun permit card. something along these lines.
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also look at the powerlifting gyms
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I kinda' like these ideas a lot will have to look into the issue of permits. Light industrial intriguing at least for the freedom and the fact that it's relative remoteness would have the effect of discouraging female infiltrators. It wouldn't be a titty bar, but rather a place where regular heterosexual men could get together, congregate, share skills and etc without the worry of self-censoring due to broads.

The ideal spot would have enough space for weight sets, squat racks, mats for sparring, martial arts equipment, a small library (filled with red pill and MGTOW books), an open bar (drinks would probably have to be given to members for free or BYOB or something), open chat/congregation area with comfortable seating, perhaps a smoking area, and some sort of classroom type of area where teachers can give lecture while sharing skills and ideas.

Now that you've brought it up though, the idea of a focus on education sounds very appealing. Teachers giving pickup advice before a group excursion into the field to apply their teachings game broads, and lawyers giving pro bono-ish advice and counsel to men on things like business,marriage, and etc.

Also, i've sorta' noticed the same thing kinda' with swingers clubs. The places usually charge single dudes outrageous rates when the issue of exclusion comes up. So why not give regular men a reasonable rate and charge women (trans or regular)oh.... something along the lines of 100k?
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Quote: (03-09-2014 05:46 PM)serge68 Wrote:  

So why not give regular men a reasonable rate and charge women (trans or regular)oh.... something along the lines of 100k?

Because women are a protected class, which means that they can successfully bring a lawsuit, whereas men cannot.

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Alright. It sounds like it'd be a good idea to start a meetup group. It'll post around to see who else is interested.
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I'd actually thought about going a step further and setting up a "Manestery", a private property with all the toys which are owned by it's membership. Each member held shares, has their own batchelor pad and access to the common bar area, cars, boat, motorcycles etc. If a member decided to get married, he could either sell his shares back to the membership or lease his membership out until his marriage failed and he wanted back in.
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Quote: (03-10-2014 05:13 PM)serge68 Wrote:  

Alright. It sounds like it'd be a good idea to start a meetup group. It'll post around to see who else is interested.

I recommend that a consultant be found, who has direct experience, or something close enough. The problem is it sounds like it may be hard to find such a man.
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As the original author, I am curious as to whether anybody has actually tried to cobble one of these clubs together?

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There are places that are essentially men's clubs in NYC. The NYAC comes to mind.

What about the Elks?

Just go to a place that women usually wouldn't congregate at, like a strip club or sports bar or cigar lounge.

Or just do the shit online here at the forum or through some kind ofcskype conference call.
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There's some confusion here because "Gentlemen's Club" in the USA is often a euphemism for a strip club with pole dancers.

The original article was asking for a men's fraternal organization, along the lines of the Elks, the Moose, the Freemasons, or the Oddfellows. A gathering of only men, but red pill orientated.

The question is, why build out from scratch? The existing men's fraternal orgs already have halls, spaces, liquor licenses, hold monthly dinners, and are ripe for fresh blood to modernize them. It would be much easier for red pill guys to enter their local already existing fraternal social orgs and then build what they want within them, same as previous generations did. You'll also probably find a lot of old school knowledge was already red pill.

The legacy fraternal organizations' building facilities are a random assortment of past members interests: Some of the past guys were into weight lifting, so they added a gym. Other guys were into guns, so there's a member only shooting range in the basement. One local club has Olympic size swimming pools and a golf course. Another has a basement bowling alley. I mean really, really random.

Connecting with these old school fraternal organizations and seeing what they already have built out is much, much easier than trying to build it all from scratch. The membership dues are cheap. And once you're a member it's easy to build whatever you want within their umbrella structure.

And talk about logistics. It's pretty easy to find several within a short distance from where you live.

Recruiting like minded men is the harder part --a whole lot of these internet forum whiners are so broke-ass that getting them to join a club that has $250 yearly dues is like pulling teeth from these fuckers. Others worry membership is a lifetime commitment. (no, it's not. You can file a demit form at any time, and then come back again any time you want years later) Others are so busy proving how atomized and isolated they are that opening meetings with the Pledge of Allegance to the Flag (which virtually all orgs in the usa do) keeps them away, regardless of all the advantages.

That said, if you're anywhere from San Jose to San Francisco, I have connections and can make recomendations. Private message me.

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