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Media bias in the reporting of the Ukrainian conflict
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Media bias in the reporting of the Ukrainian conflict

This thread is intended as a primer on why it's important to be suspicious of any reporting on the conflict in Ukraine.

Journalists in the past had a moral obligation to check the facts and give a balanced account of the situation. These days they're only interested in sensationalism, getting the story out as fast as possible, and writing slanted content to keep their readers hooked on the "news." There are very few I have any respect for. I consider Glen Greenwald and the VICE team honest and impartial. There are probably others, but not many.

Always check the source and, if possible, the raw data! Many people find it difficult to comprehend that an entire industry could be so incompetent and culpable, but that's the way I see it, as I will explain below...

To give an example, I'll focus on an often-repeated quote is used as "evidence" that Putin is a communist and wants to re-establish the Soviet Union. Putin has many faults, but a communist he is definitely not. That kind of blatant and unapologetic propaganda destroys any notion of credibility that the English-language media could otherwise have in Russia and other parts of the world. Anyone who has been to Russia knows very well that it's one of the most capitalistic and materialistic countries on the planet.

I'm no Putin apologist and will readily admit that his failure to affect domestic policy reform makes him one of Russia's biggest problems, but in Ukraine and other international conflicts he performs very well.

Here's my take:

What you read in the English-language press: Putin said "the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century"

The translation isn't fantastic. Instead of "a major" I would have written "the largest", but however you look at it, the quote was taken well out of context.
At the very minimum, I would expect a journalist to write: In his annual address on the state of the Russian Federation, Putin said "the collapse of the Soviet Union was the largest geopolitical disaster of the century [for the Russian people]" and went on to outline the economic, political and legal effects it had on the Russian populace both in Russia and abroad.

Talking heads then further embellish the misquote into wild accusations like: Putin is a Communist KGB spy and he wants to bring back the Soviet Union!
Eg. the first 30 seconds of the following video (Credits to Nemausus for originally posting it):






Here's an extract of Putin's address, including the original quote in bold. One important clarification: "nation" was translated from the Russian word "народ," which means people/population in English
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I consider the development of Russia as a free and democratic state to be our main political and ideological goal. We use these words fairly frequently, but rarely care to reveal how the deeper meaning of such values as freedom and democracy, justice and legality is translated into life.

Meanwhile, there is a need for such an analysis. The objectively difficult processes going on in Russia are increasingly becoming the subject of heated ideological discussions. And they are all connected with talk about freedom and democracy. Sometimes you can hear that since the Russian people have been silent for centuries, they are not used to or do not need freedom. And for that reason, it is claimed our citizens need constant supervision.

I would like to bring those who think this way back to reality, to the facts. To do so, I will recall once more Russia’s most recent history.

Above all, we should acknowledge that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century. As for the Russian nation, it became a genuine drama. Tens of millions of our co-citizens and compatriots found themselves outside Russian territory. Moreover, the epidemic of disintegration infected Russia itself.

Individual savings were depreciated, and old ideals destroyed. Many institutions were disbanded or reformed carelessly. Terrorist intervention and the Khasavyurt capitulation that followed damaged the country's integrity. Oligarchic groups – possessing absolute control over information channels – served exclusively their own corporate interests. Mass poverty began to be seen as the norm. And all this was happening against the backdrop of a dramatic economic downturn, unstable finances, and the paralysis of the social sphere.

Many thought or seemed to think at the time that our young democracy was not a continuation of Russian statehood, but its ultimate collapse, the prolonged agony of the Soviet system.

But they were mistaken.

That was precisely the period when the significant developments took place in Russia. Our society was generating not only the energy of self-preservation, but also the will for a new and free life. In those difficult years, the people of Russia had to both uphold their state sovereignty and make an unerring choice in selecting a new vector of development in the thousand years of their history. They had to accomplish the most difficult task: how to safeguard their own values, not to squander undeniable achievements, and confirm the viability of Russian democracy. We had to find our own path in order to build a democratic, free and just society and state.

Transcript of the original address in Russian: http://archive.kremlin.ru/appears/2005/0...7049.shtml
Official translation into English: http://archive.kremlin.ru/eng/speeches/2...7086.shtml
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Media bias in the reporting of the Ukrainian conflict

I read that Putin statement and it was like I was reading statement from Hitler to nazi germany very inspiring but all lies and illusions.

Let me elaborate on the topic of russia as a great free, capitalistic and materialistic country ( sarcasm). After soviet union collapsed the real fight for power begun because people got new opportunities so companies like jukos were created and people like Putin rise to power.

What happened was that these new companies were earning huge amount of money because it was almost monopoly market for them at the time and all soviet restrictions were gone.
Putin goal was different he wanted power because he knew if he has power in russia he will have money too.

Three years After Boris Jelcyn in 1996 was elected he resigned (most likely forced to) from his office making space for Putin that took presidential power till elections of 2000. In year of election no opposing parties could criticise Putin and national TV was bad mouthing other candidates. To top it off international witnesses were denied access to see elections.

After Putin was a president he destroyed his only one opposition that he had Michail Chodorkowski taking his company (Jukos) and throwing him in jail.

That's it about that Free Russia. I'm to tired to start about how Russia is not capitalistic at all... but maybe tomorrow I will muster some strenght to do it.

Peace.
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Media bias in the reporting of the Ukrainian conflict

Quote: (03-08-2014 08:36 PM)Malekhit Wrote:  

I read that Putin statement and it was like I was reading statement from Hitler to nazi germany very inspiring but all lies and illusions.

Let me elaborate on the topic of russia as a great free, capitalistic and materialistic country ( sarcasm). After soviet union collapsed the real fight for power begun because people got new opportunities so companies like jukos were created and people like Putin rise to power.

What happened was that these new companies were earning huge amount of money because it was almost monopoly market for them at the time and all soviet restrictions were gone.
Putin goal was different he wanted power because he knew if he has power in russia he will have money too.

Three years After Boris Jelcyn in 1996 was elected he resigned (most likely forced to) from his office making space for Putin that took presidential power till elections of 2000. In year of election no opposing parties could criticise Putin and national TV was bad mouthing other candidates. To top it off international witnesses were denied access to see elections.

After Putin was a president he destroyed his only one opposition that he had Michail Chodorkowski taking his company (Jukos) and throwing him in jail.

That's it about that Free Russia. I'm to tired to start about how Russia is not capitalistic at all... but maybe tomorrow I will muster some strenght to do it.

Peace.
Figures anti Putinism would come from a pole lol.
How about what USA would do if a unfriendly gov't came to Canada or Mexico...that is ALL you need to answer?
The consensus in this thread is that the west needs to stop pushing revolutions, protests, sing a longs and all that other shit it does that ends up in millions of deaths accumulated around the world.
Its not that we think he is right but we certainly want the west to west to get a runny nose and back down.
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Media bias in the reporting of the Ukrainian conflict

Malekhit, I agree with much of what you wrote. I even pointed it out in the opening post when I stated: "I'm no Putin apologist and will readily admit that his failure to affect domestic policy reform makes him one of Russia's biggest problems"

But you've completely missed the point of this thread. I was pointing out how an incompetent media has twisted and misquoted his address to such a degree that you will often read statements like: Putin is a communist and even said that "the collapse of the Soviet Union was the largest geopolitical disaster of the century".

That is not journalism.


Quote: (03-08-2014 08:36 PM)Malekhit Wrote:  

I'm to tired to start about how Russia is not capitalistic at all.
That part I do strongly disagree with. I don't know what your definition of capitalism is, but I think you have mistaken it for another system or ideology. Maybe you can define what you mean by "capitalism" or read up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism. Russia fits the definition of crony capitalism perfectly.

Before you retort that crony capitalism isn't real capitalism, I'll point out that the US has experienced a shift away from classic free-market capitalism during that past couple of decades too. You may recall phrases such as "too big to fail," "stimulus," and "bailout"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_capitalism

Even on an individual level, there is very little social welfare, not much regulation in practice and most of all, taxes are extremely low - 6% for companies with revenue up to ~$2mil./year, 13% flat for individuals and plenty of opportunities exist for offshore optimisation. I do everything by the book and paid an effective rate of about 2% last year.
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Media bias in the reporting of the Ukrainian conflict

Quote: (03-08-2014 08:36 PM)Malekhit Wrote:  

I read that Putin statement and it was like I was reading statement from Hitler to nazi germany very inspiring but all lies and illusions.

Let me elaborate on the topic of russia as a great free, capitalistic and materialistic country ( sarcasm). After soviet union collapsed the real fight for power begun because people got new opportunities so companies like jukos were created and people like Putin rise to power.

What happened was that these new companies were earning huge amount of money because it was almost monopoly market for them at the time and all soviet restrictions were gone.
Putin goal was different he wanted power because he knew if he has power in russia he will have money too.

Three years After Boris Jelcyn in 1996 was elected he resigned (most likely forced to) from his office making space for Putin that took presidential power till elections of 2000. In year of election no opposing parties could criticise Putin and national TV was bad mouthing other candidates. To top it off international witnesses were denied access to see elections.

After Putin was a president he destroyed his only one opposition that he had Michail Chodorkowski taking his company (Jukos) and throwing him in jail.

That's it about that Free Russia. I'm to tired to start about how Russia is not capitalistic at all... but maybe tomorrow I will muster some strenght to do it.

Peace.

From what I could understand of your post you are talking in general about Russia and Putin, which is not what this thread is about.

Nice Hitler comparison too. I would suggest you take note of the general policy to write objectively and not emotionally if you want to be taken seriously.
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Media bias in the reporting of the Ukrainian conflict

Quote: (03-09-2014 12:13 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

Malekhit, I agree with much of what you wrote. I even pointed it out in the opening post when I stated: "I'm no Putin apologist and will readily admit that his failure to affect domestic policy reform makes him one of Russia's biggest problems"

But you've completely missed the point of this thread. I was pointing out how an incompetent media has twisted and misquoted his address to such a degree that you will often read statements like: Putin is a communist and even said that "the collapse of the Soviet Union was the largest geopolitical disaster of the century".

That is not journalism.


Quote: (03-08-2014 08:36 PM)Malekhit Wrote:  

I'm to tired to start about how Russia is not capitalistic at all.
That part I do strongly disagree with. I don't know what your definition of capitalism is, but I think you have mistaken it for another system or ideology. Maybe you can define what you mean by "capitalism" or read up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
Russia fits the definition of crony capitalism perfectly.

Even on an individual level, there is very little social welfare, not much regulation in practice and most of all, taxes are extremely low - 6% for companies with revenue up to ~$2mil./year, 13% flat for individuals and plenty of opportunities exist for offshore optimisation. I do everything by the book and paid an effective rate of about 2% last year.

Poles and Canadians believe in socialism even more than Russia lol
Most western countries don't even know what democracy is. Democracy means ruler-ship of the 51%, sounds like Russia to me.
While in the west actually the rights of alternative , deviant minorities often influence the gov't regardless of the will of the majority. Sure it sucks to be a minority in Russia but they certainly are a popular democracy.
Interestingly USA was similar 50 plus years ago. We have become less of a popular democracy and more of a liberal one starting since late 60's.
When I look at FSU I see it how USA was once...robber barons, corruption, Al capone.It took more than 20 years so why not give Russia the same?
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jimukr104, "rule of the 51%" is mob rule, wich, i can assure you, leads to the death of rights for everyone. Here in Argentina we have a goberment who think the same, and its a continous battle to defend the state and constitucion against their plans of staying forever thanks to the 54% they got. Luckly, mob rules goverments are usually populist, and that type of goverments fall when the money on the state runs out.

"What is important is to try to develop insights and wisdom rather than mere knowledge, respect someone's character rather than his learning, and nurture men of character rather than mere talents." - Inazo Nitobe

When i´m feeling blue, when i just need something to shock me up, i look at this thread and everything get better!

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Quote: (03-09-2014 10:32 AM)Mekorig Wrote:  

jimukr104, "rule of the 51%" is mob rule, wich, i can assure you, leads to the death of rights for everyone. Here in Argentina we have a goberment who think the same, and its a continous battle to defend the state and constitucion against their plans of staying forever thanks to the 54% they got. Luckly, mob rules goverments are usually populist, and that type of goverments fall when the money on the state runs out.

Agreed, no argument there.. but we are always trying to spread Democracy. .That is what Democracy is.
American founding fathers never wanted a democracy.. they thought they end up committing suicide of itself. USA was suppose to be a Republic.
But most gov't/empires fall into decay after they get too liberal.
I don't know how it is in Argentina bu in USA minorities lobby the gov't and get protections that surpass and go against the majority.
Example:The whole "Hollywood crack down on down-loaders" is an example of a minority that bought and lobbied congress to actually PASS laws that benefit itself against the ill/wishes of the majority.They have done polls where most Americans don't agree that downloading is or should be a crime. So the media companies actually sent in bills and paid off members of congress to support it..thus shaping law in our country. They even use Federal law enforcement to make it a criminal offense. Minority corporate interest shouldn't have the FBI used as their army.
Same can be said for gay marriages and most of the other liberal agendas. It use to be if you don't like it ..get the fuck out. Now its an environment of deviant appeasements.
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I would suggest you take note of the general policy to write objectively and not emotionally if you want to be taken seriously.

Yeah I think that's key. Media is constantly trying to cloud your reasoning with emotional images of fear for example.

The problem is how to get to the facts. I think analyzing the behaviour of nations, what they are claiming to do and then looking at what they are really doing is a good criteria though. Thus far I think Russia is way more congruent in that discipline than the West.
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Beyone pathetic. The US is pulling out all the stops to sick its jackals on the Russian government.

Transvestite-looking "journalist" Christiane Amanpour tries to humiliate Russian UN ambassador Vitaly Churkin.

In her Thursday show, Amanpour said: "And one more note: we continue to reach out to the Russian government for their comment, including officials such as UN Ambassador, Vitaly Churkin. We haven't had much luck, but perhaps people like Churkin feel they don't really have to leave their comfort zone."

“Churkin’s own daughter is the US-based reporter for ‘Russia Today’ in New York. She's shown here, quizzing US State Department spokesman, Jen Psaki, over this whole Ukraine crisis. And in the past, she's even reported on her own father.”

(See the full story link here: http://rt.com/usa/churkin-response-amanpour-cnn-465/)

Churkin, refusing to be shamed or bullied by this man-thing masquerading as a woman, replied in kind:

Dear Ms. Amanpour,

I am taken aback by the personal attacks you resorted to in your show on March 20. I have known you for many years (including through a number of on-the-air interviews) and used to respect you professionally. So it was somewhat startling that my inability to give another interview provoked such an outburst.

As to my unwillingness, as you put it, to leave my "comfort zone” – you are absolutely right. After 8 meetings of the Security Council on the situation in Ukraine and Crimea (six of them in front of TV cameras) I feel very comfortable that the truth is beginning to come across.

If, though, you imply that I don’t want to answer tough questions, then you are mature enough to know that I spoke to the “full house” at the Washington National Cathedral in October, 1983, two weeks after the South Korean airliner was downed, and then testified at the US Congress in May of 1986 after the Chernobyl nuclear disaster, not to mention hundreds of other media and “live” appearances. So I can explain to anyone what “leaving a comfort zone” means.

But I wouldn’t be writing to you if you did not also choose to personally attack my daughter – your younger colleague – a Russian TV journalist. I am very proud of her – not only is she a good journalist, but she strictly keeps her professional distance from me.

Incidentally, I recall you married the State Department Spokesman. How was your professional credibility in the course of your courtship?

Don’t bother to answer. I don’t really want to know.


It's the height of hypocrisy for Amanpour to try to drag Churkin's daughter into the mix, since Amanpour herself is married to former State Department insider and Clinton official James Rubin. Apparently she herself had interviewed Rubin in the past.

The US: checkmated by the Iranians, checkmated by the Syrians, and now checkmated by the Russians.

And all the US can do is whine, pout, and hurl accusations. Pathetic.
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