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Real Talk Sessions: The Realest Shit I Ever Wrote
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Real Talk Sessions: The Realest Shit I Ever Wrote

Quote: (02-19-2016 02:11 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Have I met marriage material women?

If I have, I have missed them.

I believe I've met at least 2 girls who were marriage material. Although technically I broke it off with them, I was the one who, classically, 'couldn't commit.' I've been able to meet similarly nice, marriage material women quite often, to be honest. Those two I'm mentioning were just pretty enough for me to even consider something like that.

But I had to scratch my itch. I've always been able to attract 'nice' girls. Very rarely do girls just want to fuck me just to fuck me. If they do, they are usually ugly.

Women are usually attracted to men in two ways, as boyfriends, and as lovers. I don't want to come off as arrogant when I say my 'boyfriend' game is great, because the truth is, boyfriend game is easy as fuck.

When you're in a social circle and are in close contact with the same girls, usually your better qualities have a chance to shine through. Most guys are not so hideous and not so socially maladjusted that we can bag a few gems this way.

But we all want (hot) girls to just want to fuck us for the sake of fucking. Because THAT shit is rare. Being born with it is unique. But if you have the skills that we overall refer to as game, that shit is also unique... and really damn difficult to acquire if it's not in your DNA.

Ultimately I left those two gems because I was searching for that. Searching for game. But the important point is... I have complete confidence in my 'boyfriend'/husband abilities. A girl would be a goddamn idiot NOT to want to bag me long term. So ultimately I'll find one when the logistics work out.

The conclusion I've come to is that it's ok to scratch that itch, until logistically you can provide a comfortable life for a family. Additionally, women respect game. Your girl might bitch and moan about your sketchy past, but she ultimately respects that you have the skills to catch fish.

So. When I feel I have some $$, I'll get serious about finding a real catch. Until then, I'll just keep throwing back the guppies into the ocean.




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#27

Real Talk Sessions: The Realest Shit I Ever Wrote

^^ And this:: "So ultimately I'll find one when the logistics work out." << is something that's so often overlooked.

I've let a few good ones go, and simply put, I wasn't firing on all cylinders in the rest of my life to prepare for that. Logistics and timing play and equally important role in boyfriend/marriage game, if not more, than gaming women to just do mini-fuck relationships with.
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#28

Real Talk Sessions: The Realest Shit I Ever Wrote

Glad to hear that there are forum members with the real talk and accurate self reflection. This isn't me "concern trolling" here but some of the stuff I read on here baffles me. Although I believed and have experienced many of the thoughts, wisdom and ideas discussed on this forum, there is some grade A level hamstering when it comes to some guys.

Some guys will say that all women are "hoes" with no loyalty and that loyalty is a male only trait. These same guys are the guys sneaking around on their wives, girlfriends, or LTRs or whatever and getting some strange with some ratchet ass chick. The cognitive dissonance is no better than some of the wall hitting hamsters we lament about.

We talk about how men need to be better and women need to be better because they're becoming worse. The same guys who say this brag about their "harems" with the lowest common denominator chicks. Guys will insult these women because they are of low worth (for example, mid 30s women with some bastard child she leaves at home while she hunts for some strange cock) but some of these guys will end up banging these women and brag about them being part of their "harem."

I'm glad guys like jariel say what is necessary. Often times there's too much of a hive mind that isn't much different from the people we criticize. People can live however they want to live but for me, I refuse to dip down to the lowest common denominator anymore. We are a reflection of those we hang out with. At the very least, their shit ends up staining us in the long run.
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#29

Real Talk Sessions: The Realest Shit I Ever Wrote

Quote: (02-19-2016 02:11 PM)jariel Wrote:  

A lot of men are fucking up. They are making bad decisions. Then after they've made their shitty decisions, they run here looking for consultation, consolation, etc. They fuck up with women and then want us to be mad at the woman, "Yeah, fuck that bitch."

No, "fuck YOU nigga."

It's incomprehensible to me that we can continue to play the games we play with club thots, bar flies, tinder tail, and convenient jump-offs, and then be surprised that we take L's.

It's incomprehensible to me that we can continue to fuck with loser females, and then be surprised to find ourselves as losers too.

Again, I get it, when you're just having fun, you look for those who are just out for fun too, and that's often the least common denominator.

That's why I encourage us as men to step our games up, so that we stop fucking up with the LCD's.

God damn this was an amazing post, but this point really stood out to me.

I've been having to do a lot of "reality checking" and soul-searching lately after a fling went bad. I've been single for about a year and in that time used game to have sex with more girls in 12 months than I had in my previous 25+ years on this planet. While I wasn't looking for anything serious and enjoyed the ease with which I was able to bang girls, it also lead me to really dislike millennial women even more than I did previously. It lead me to wonder if there are actually good girls out there, and perhaps my views were so skewed because the only females I seemed to be around were bar skanks.

Game is amazing for easy lays with LCDs. But you do have to sacrifice quality for quantity. Would these same techniques work on a high value girl who has her shit together?

I've been consciously thinking about switching my approach to day game now. If you talk to a girl during the day when she's on her lunch break or in between classes at college she's probably in a different mindset than she'd be 12 vodka sodas deep at a bar wearing a tight dress. Hell, maybe these girls with good jobs or educations don't even go out to bars.

I've been lucky to not have had my life completely ruined by a female yet. But as someone who's laid back and hates drama I've had my threshold for bullshit reached many many MANY times over my life. And after the bad fling I mentioned before I had to do a lot of re-thinking of my life to make sure that never happens again.

So be in control of your actions. And if you think you can't be in control then step back and figure out a way to be in control.
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#30

Real Talk Sessions: The Realest Shit I Ever Wrote

I read the following essay and it reminded me of this thread. I'm not saying I agree with everything but it made me think. The parts on human relationships and sex are in bold.

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The Psychology of Pleasure
by Nathaniel Branden
(February 1964)

Pleasure, for man, is not a luxury, but a profound psycho­logical need.

Pleasure (in the widest sense of the term) is a metaphysi­cal concomitant of life, the reward and consequence of suc­cessful action—just as pain is the insignia of failure, destruction, death.

Through the state of enjoyment, man experiences the value of life, the sense that life is worth living, worth struggling to maintain. In order to live, man must act to achieve values. Pleasure or enjoyment is at once an emotional payment for successful action and an incentive to continue acting.

Further, because of the metaphysical meaning of pleasure to man, the state of enjoyment gives him a direct experience of his own efficacy, of his competence to deal with the facts of reality, to achieve his values, to live. Implicitly contained in the experience of pleasure is the feeling: “I am in control of my existence”—just as implicitly contained in the experi­ence of pain is the feeling: “I am helpless.” As pleasure emotionally entails a sense of efficacy, so pain emotionally entails a sense of impotence.

Thus, in letting man experience, in his own person, the sense that life is a value and that he is a value, pleasure serves as the emotional fuel of man’s existence.

Just as the pleasure-pain mechanism of man’s body works as a barometer of health or injury, so the pleasure-pain mechanism of his consciousness works on the same princi­ple, acting as a barometer of what is for him or against him, what is beneficial to his life or inimical. But man is a being of volitional consciousness, he has no innate ideas, no auto­matic or infallible knowledge of what his survival depends on. He must choose the values that are to guide his actions and set his goals. His emotional mechanism will work ac­cording to the kind of values he chooses. It is his values that determine what a man feels to be for him or against him; it is his values that determine what a man seeks for pleasure.

If a man makes an error in his choice of values, his emo­tional mechanism will not correct him: it has no will of its own. If a man’s values are such that he desires things which, in fact and in reality, lead to his destruction, his emotional mechanism will not save him, but will, instead, urge him on toward destruction: he will have set it in reverse, against himself and against the facts of reality, against his own life. Man’s emotional mechanism is like an electronic computer: man has the power to program it, but no power to change its nature—so that if he sets the wrong programming, he will not be able to escape the fact that the most self-destruc­tive desires will have, for him, the emotional intensity and urgency of lifesaving actions. He has, of course, the power to change the programming—but only by changing his values.

A man’s basic values reflect his conscious or subconscious view of himself and of existence. They are the expression of (a) the degree and nature of his self-esteem or lack of it, and (b) the extent to which he regards the universe as open to his understanding and action or closed—i.e., the extent to which he holds a benevolent or malevolent view of existence. Thus, the things which a man seeks for pleasure or enjoyment are profoundly revealing psychologically; they are the index of his character and soul. (By “soul,” I mean: a man’s consciousness and his basic motivating values.)

There are, broadly, five (interconnected) areas that allow man to experience the enjoyment of life: productive work, human relationships, recreation, art, sex.

Productive work is the most fundamental of these: through his work man gains his basic sense of control over existence—his sense of efficacy—which is the necessary foundation of the ability to enjoy any other value. The man whose life lacks direction or purpose, the man who has no creative goal, necessarily feels helpless and out of control; the man who feels helpless and out of control, feels inadequate to and unfit for existence; and the man who feels unfit for existence is incapable of enjoying it.

One of the hallmarks of a man of self-esteem, who re­gards the universe as open to his effort, is the profound pleasure he experiences in the productive work of his mind; his enjoyment of life is fed by his unceasing concern to grow in knowledge and ability—to think, to achieve, to move forward, to meet new challenges and overcome them—to earn the pride of a constantly expanding efficacy.

A different kind of soul is revealed by the man who, predominantly, takes pleasure in working only at the rou­tine and familiar, who is inclined to enjoy working in a semi-daze, who sees happiness in freedom from challenge or struggle or effort: the soul of a man profoundly deficient in self-esteem, to whom the universe appears as unknowable and vaguely threatening, the man whose central motivating impulse is a longing for safety, not the safety that is won by efficacy, but the safety of a world in which efficacy is not demanded.

Still a different kind of soul is revealed by the man who finds it inconceivable that work—any form of work—can be enjoyable, who regards the effort of earning a living as a necessary evil, who dreams only of the pleasures that begin when the workday ends, the pleasure of drowning his brain in alcohol or television or billiards or women, the pleasure of not being conscious: the soul of a man with scarcely a shred of self-esteem, who never expected the universe to be comprehensible and takes his lethargic dread of it for granted, and whose only form of relief and only notion of enjoyment is the dim flicker of undemanding sensations.

Still another kind of soul is revealed by the man who takes pleasure, not in achievement, but in destruction, whose action is aimed, not at attaining efficacy, but at ruling those who have attained it: the soul of a man so abjectly lacking in self-value, and so overwhelmed by terror of exis­tence, that his sole form of self-fulfillment is to unleash his resentment and hatred against those who do not share his state, those who are able to live—as if, by destroying the confident, the strong and the healthy, he could convert im­potence into efficacy.

A rational, self-confident man is motivated by a love of values and by a desire to achieve them. A neurotic is moti­vated by fear and by a desire to escape it. This difference in motivation is reflected, not only in the things each type of man will seek for pleasure, but in the nature of the plea­sure they will experience.

The emotional quality of the pleasure experienced by the four men described above, for instance, is not the same. The quality of any pleasure depends on the mental processes that give rise to and attend it, and on the nature of the values involved. The pleasure of using one’s consciousness properly, and the “pleasure” of being unconscious, are not the same—just as the pleasure of achieving real values, of gaining an authentic sense of efficacy, and the “pleasure” of temporarily diminishing one’s sense of fear and help­lessness, are not the same. The man of self-esteem experi­ences the pure, unadulterated enjoyment of using his faculties properly and of achieving actual values in reality—a pleasure of which the other three men can have no in­kling, just as he has no inkling of the dim, murky state which they call “pleasure.”

This same principle applies to all forms of enjoyment. Thus, in the realm of human relationships, a different form of pleasure is experienced, a different sort of motivation is involved, and a different kind of character is revealed, by the man who seeks for enjoyment the company of human beings of intelligence, integrity and self-esteem, who share his exacting standards—and by the man who is able to enjoy himself only with human beings who have no standards whatever and with whom, therefore, he feels free to be himself—or by the man who finds pleasure only in the com­pany of people he despises, to whom he can compare him­self favorably—or by the man who finds pleasure only among people he can deceive and manipulate, from whom he derives the lowest neurotic substitute for a sense of genu­ine efficacy: a sense of power.

For the rational, psychologically healthy man, the desire for pleasure is the desire to celebrate his control over real­ity. For the neurotic, the desire for pleasure is the desire to escape from reality.


Now consider the sphere of recreation. For instance, a party. A rational man enjoys a party as an emotional reward for achievement, and he can enjoy it only if in fact it in­volves activities that are enjoyable, such as seeing people whom he likes, meeting new people whom he finds interest­ing, engaging in conversations in which something worth saying and hearing is being said and heard. But a neurotic can “enjoy” a party for reasons unrelated to the real activi­ties taking place; he may hate or despise or fear all the people present, he may act like a noisy fool and feel secretly ashamed of it—but he will feel that he is enjoying it all, because people are emitting the vibrations of approval, or because it is a social distinction to have been invited to this party, or because other people appear to be gay, or because the party has spared him, for the length of an evening, the terror of being alone.

The “pleasure” of being drunk is obviously the pleasure of escaping from the responsibility of consciousness. And so are the kind of social gatherings, held for no other purpose than the expression of hysterical chaos, where the guests wander around in an alcoholic stupor, prattling noisily and senselessly, and enjoying the illusion of a universe where one is not bur­dened with purpose, logic, reality or awareness.

Observe, in this connection, the modern “beatniks”—for instance, their manner of dancing. What one sees is not smiles of authentic enjoyment, but the vacant, staring eyes, the jerky, disorganized movements of what looks like de­centralized bodies, all working very hard—with a kind of flat-footed hysteria—at projecting an air of the purposeless, the senseless, the mindless. This is the “pleasure” of unconsciousness.

Or consider the quieter kind of “pleasures” that fill many people’s lives: family picnics, ladies’ parties or “coffee klatches,” charity bazaars, vegetative kinds of vacation—all of them occasions of quiet boredom for all concerned, in which the boredom is the value. Boredom, to such people, means safety, the known, the usual, the routine—the ab­sence of the new, the exciting, the unfamiliar, the demanding.

What is a demanding pleasure? A pleasure that demands the use of one’s mind; not in the sense of problem solving, but in the sense of exercising discrimination, judgment, awareness.

One of the cardinal pleasures of life is offered to man by works of art. Art, at its highest potential, as the projection of things “as they might be and ought to be,” can provide man with an invaluable emotional fuel. But, again, the kind of art works one responds to, depends on one’s deepest values and premises.

A man can seek the projection of the heroic, the intelligent, the efficacious, the dramatic, the purposeful, the stylized, the ingenious, the challenging; he can seek the pleasure of admira­tion, of looking up to great values. Or he can seek the satisfac­tion of contemplating gossip-column variants of the folks next door, with nothing demanded of him, neither in thought nor in value standards; he can feel himself pleasantly warmed by projections of the known and familiar, seeking to feel a little less of “a stranger and afraid in a world [he] never made.” Or his soul can vibrate affirmatively to projections of horror and human degradation, he can feel gratified by the thought that he’s not as bad as the dope-addicted dwarf or the crippled lesbian he’s reading about; he can relish an art which tells him that man is evil, that reality is unknowable, that existence is unendurable, that no one can help anything, that his secret terror is normal.

Art projects an implicit view of existence—and it is one’s own view of existence that determines the art one will re­spond to. The soul of the man whose favorite play is Cyrano de Bergerac is radically different from the soul of the man whose favorite play is Waiting for Godot.

Of the various pleasures that man can offer himself, the greatest is pride—the pleasure he takes in his own achieve­ments and in the creation of his own character. The pleasure he takes in the character and achievements of another human being is that of admiration. The highest expression of the most intense union of these two responses—pride and admiration—is romantic love. Its celebration is sex.

It is in this sphere above all—in a man’s romantic-sexual responses—that his view of himself and of existence stands eloquently revealed. A man falls in love with and sexually desires the person who reflects his own deepest values.

There are two crucial respects in which a man’s romantic-sexual responses are psychologically revealing: in his choice of partner—and in the meaning, to him, of the sexual act.

A man of self-esteem, a man in love with himself and with life, feels an intense need to find human beings he can admire—to find a spiritual equal whom he can love. The quality that will attract him most is self-esteem—self-esteem and an unclouded sense of the value of existence. To such a man, sex is an act of celebration, its meaning is a tribute to himself and to the woman he has chosen, the ultimate form of experiencing concretely and in his own person the value and joy of being alive.

The need for such an experience is inherent in man’s nature. But if a man lacks the self-esteem to earn it, he attempts to fake it—and he chooses his partner (subcon­sciously) by the standard of her ability to help him fake it, to give him the illusion of a self-value he does not possess and of a happiness he does not feel.

Thus, if a man is attracted to a woman of intelligence, confidence and strength, if he is attracted to a heroine, he reveals one kind of soul; if, instead, he is attracted to an irresponsible, helpless scatterbrain, whose weakness enables him to feel masculine, he reveals another kind of soul; if he is attracted to a frightened slut, whose lack of judgment and standards allows him to feel free of reproach, he reveals another kind of soul.

The same principle, of course, applies to a woman’s romantic-sexual choices.

The sexual act has a different meaning for the person whose desire is fed by pride and admiration, to whom the pleasurable self-experience it affords is an end in itself—and for the person who seeks in sex the proof of masculinity (or femininity), or the amelioration of despair, or a defense against anxiety, or an escape from boredom.


Paradoxically, it is the so-called pleasure-chasers—the men who seemingly live for nothing but the sensation of the moment, who are concerned only with having “a good time”—who are psychologically incapable of enjoying pleasure as an end in itself. The neurotic pleasure-chaser imag­ines that, by going through the motions of a celebration, he will be able to make himself feel that he has something to celebrate.

One of the hallmarks of the man who lacks self-esteem—and the real punishment for his moral and psychological default—is the fact that all his pleasures are pleasures of escape from the two pursuers whom he has betrayed and from whom there is no escape: reality and his own mind.

Since the function of pleasure is to afford man a sense of his own efficacy, the neurotic is caught in a deadly conflict: he is compelled, by his nature as man, to feel a desperate need for pleasure, as a confirmation and expression of his control over reality—but he can find pleasure only in an escape from reality. That is the reason why his pleasures do not work, why they bring him, not a sense of pride, fulfill­ment, inspiration, but a sense of guilt, frustration, hope­lessness, shame. The effect of pleasure on a man of self-esteem is that of a reward and a confirmation. The effect of plea­sure on a man who lacks self-esteem is that of a threat—the threat of anxiety, the shaking of the precarious founda­tion of his pseudo-self-value, the sharpening of the ever-present fear that the structure will collapse and he will find himself face to face with a stern, absolute, unknown and unforgiving reality.

One of the commonest complaints of patients who seek psychotherapy, is that nothing has the power to give them pleasure, that authentic enjoyment seems impossible to them. This is the inevitable dead end of the policy of pleasure-as-escape.

To preserve an unclouded capacity for the enjoyment of life, is an unusual moral and psychological achievement. Contrary to popular belief, it is the prerogative, not of mindlessness, but of an unremitting devotion to the act of perceiving reality, and of a scrupulous intellectual integrity. It is the reward of self-esteem.
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Real Talk Sessions: The Realest Shit I Ever Wrote

Quote: (02-19-2016 02:32 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

A lot of guys will be upset about what you said, the truth is that this is the realist talk.

For the young guys, this is a must read.

Nothing beats having a special girl in your life, I am not ashamed to say it.

Rudebwoy, so much this. People get caught in ideas and not the reality!

Edited to say, great post Jariel. Keeping it real, focused.
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