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Night Game is Dead
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Night Game is Dead

It’s time to pronounce the death of night game. After having its limbs hacked off and its genitals yanked out by the root for dog food, night game has finally shuffled off this mortal coil to that big swank discotheque in the sky. If you just discovered this ‘sphere and are reading up on the best shotgun negs to use on a HB7.5, you’re already behind the curve. The minute you step out of the cab, you’re going to get slaughtered.

I myself have gradually lost interest in the game over the past year, which is why I’ve haven’t felt motivated to write about this. Nonetheless, the fact that my nightlife observations are being backed up by individuals as diverse as TMWW, The Rookie, Raliv, and Assanova is more than a little frightening. Here’s is why I say night game is dead, based on my barhopping adventures over the past few months in the Capital Region and other burgs in the not-so-great American Northeast:

1) More cock than a rooster farm. I’m not exaggerating when I say the ratio of penises to vaginas in any given bar on a weekend night is 8 to 1. It’s wall-to-wall braciola parties from the Hudson to the quads. Women, being the risk-averse creatures that they are, have been frightened away from the nightlife circuit by the crummy economy. If you live in the northern U.S., Canada or any other region with a winter, you’re even more screwed, because girls REALLY don’t like going out in the cold. And if you live in an area with a lot of snowfall, God help you. The eastern part of New York state from NYC to the Canadian border isn’t so bad in this regard, but if you live west of Amsterdam, you can forget about getting laid until Easter. When the snow is falling, the gals don’t come calling.

2) More douche then a supermarket feminine hygiene aisle. A typical Friday night in the Capital Region looks like Jersey Shore, only this isn’t Jersey and there’s no shore. Ed Hardy threads, tribal tattoos, popped collars, and other markers of douchiness abound. And every single one of these ‘roid-raging Doucha-Loompas is competing against you to see who can win the slut’s heart and defile her in the loo. You can’t win. You try, and you’ll just get drowned in an ocean of gelled-haired duckfaced fist-pumping.

3) More female detritus than People of Walmart. When the economy’s bad and leaving your house entails digging your car out of four feet of snow in -5 degree weather, only a certain type of woman is willing to endure the trials and tribulations of going out – the kind of woman you wouldn’t fuck with your dog’s dick. Fatties, fuglies, drug addicts, and dipsomaniacs puking on their own shoes are who you get the pleasure of trying to boff now. And on the off chance you do find a bangable girl, you’ll have to contend with every Pauly D wannabe in the city who’s trying to get in her pants before you do. All this fawning male attention won’t get her any closer to anyone’s bedroom, but it WILL engorge her ego until she’s crushing hapless douchebags in her Roche limit.

4) Girls who are less attentive and outgoing then an autistic kindergartener bombed on Red Bull. So you aren’t intimidated by the bratwurst-swinging hordes, you can douche it up with the best of them, and you don’t mind porking porkers. Even with all that in your favor, you might as well warm up your porn stash, because you are going home alone Friday night. Mr. Douchey McChubbylover, you simply cannot compete with the greatest piece of chick crack ever invented – the iPhone.

I decree Steve Jobs to be the biggest cockblocker in human history. In the good old days when cell phones were overpriced walkie-talkies, people who went out on the weekend were forced to engage with the world around them. As late as two years ago, you could introduce yourself to a girl and be assured that you could carry on a civil conversation for at least fifteen minutes. You might not get the lay or even a number, but you could put in a decent effort.

No more. The minute the girlies get to the bar, they whip out their iPhones and start texting all their friends to tell them where they are. Then the whole gang shows up and they all turn a deaf ear to everyone else save for the bartender. Try and introduce yourself? They’ll give you the cold shoulder. Get talking to a girl on her own? Her fat friend will pull her away in less than five minutes. You and your pals become fast friends with her and her friends? One of ‘em will suddenly get a text and announce, “Oh, our friends are at [OTHER BAR], so we’ve got to go. Nice meeting you.” I’ve had all this and more happen to me and my friends in the past three months alone, and it’s all due to those fucking smartphones.

Oh, and did I mention that half the bars and clubs out there have their music cranked up so loud it’s impossible to hold a conversation without screaming at the top of your lungs? Have fun blasting through her bitch shield when your ears are bleeding from the bass.

Nope, night game is done, at least for the time being. You may be heading out looking for a good bad time, but your chances of getting any play are bad unless you’re rich, famous, or lucky. I won’t have to deal with the boorish girls in this city for much longer, but I pity the guys who are stuck here. I predicted over a year ago that nightlife would be dealt a fatal blow by the poor economy:

Combine this with the priciness of nightclubs and the recession, and you have a recipe for total market collapse. I predict that the number of nightclubs in cities will fall by half at the least, as the long lines of betas standing in line for an hour and plunking down their dollars for cover charges all so they can dance to shitty music, drink obscenely overpriced liquor, and hit on girls who do not wanted to be fucked by them vanish. Bars will also be hit, but not as severely, as they cost less and appeal to a wider market.

So, how is a man supposed to bust a nut in this world? Day game. I also predicted in the above-linked post that there would be an explosion of interest in day game as savvy men realized that nightlife was a useless prospect for racking up notches. Barnes & Noble, Panera Bread, and Target are the new battlefields of the mating war. It is within their walls that openers will be honed, negs will be dropped, and new love shall bloom again in the winter of our discontent. Whoever is smart enough to pounce on this market with a day game guide will become a very wealthy man.

The frontlines have shifted, gentlemen. Get with the times or get left in the dust. Your choice.

http://www.inmalafide.com/2010/12/20/nig...ight-game/
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#2

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This was very funny, but oh, so true. I've been day gaming for the last 4 years. However, you still have the mid-range bars and after-work happy hours to save you. Those venues still have the nightclub fun vibe, w/o the over-the-top blasting music, and unemployed Jersey Shore Douches are not out yet.

Thanks for the good laugh, especially: "Barnes & Noble, Panera Bread, and Target are the new battlefields of the mating war. " ROTFLMAO!!

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#3

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Haha this is golden, seriously I should print this out and hang it on my room, framed.

Much of this stuff is very true, sadly. So that means all left is daygame [Image: smile.gif]
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Quote: (12-22-2010 02:18 PM)spinaroonie Wrote:  

It’s time to pronounce the death of night game....The frontlines have shifted, gentlemen. Get with the times or get left in the dust. Your choice.

http://www.inmalafide.com/2010/12/20/nig...ight-game/

You should be right, but I don't think thats going to happen, because most guys will diversify their game into online game before even making a serious stab at day game.

I daygamed 2-3 times a week over the summer in Chicago, same place, same time (michigan avenue at 6 pm). I don't think I ever saw even one other guy doing anything that resembled daygame. Even when I went into Borders, Whole Foods, etc. Even with so many good looking girls just walking around, carrying shopping bags waiting to be talked to.

Most dudes just can't equate talking to women without alcohol or without the night game environment. More free online sites are popping up, so people will do that shit first before hitting the streets to do daygame.
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Alright Day gamers here is our chance to rise and shine before too many chodes enter the Day game scene or not...... , I guess it takes balls to approach in broad daylight.

Day game is the Future.....

"Timidity is dangerous, Better to enter with boldness. Any mistakes you commit through audacity are easily corrected with more audacity." (Robert Greene)
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#6

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night game, at least in cover-based bars and clubs has been dead for a long time.
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#7

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I'm not normally one to knock other member's posts, but this is just crap and a really pathetic excuse for why you're not getting laid by girls you meet at the bar.

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Ironically, the one setting in which I don't get a lot of eye contact comparatively is at bars and clubs...Thus, I haven't had much success in the night game...Bars and clubs are no longer good for meeting women so I need to find new avenues to meet women.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-3152.html

That's you in another thread you recently posted, and that's total BS. Even in this terrible weather (I'm in metro Detroit) I've still been able to pull. Absolutely not with the same volume I was getting back in October, but that's why the smart squirrel stashes away some acorns for the winter.

To me you're dismissing night game because you're not having any success with it, and thus you figure day game is the answer. What you really need to do is work harder on your inner game. Perhaps you'll get there through day game and have more success at night, I don't know.

I used to make excuses too, oh there's too many guys/not enough girls here, or that girl was obviously a bitch, or I could do better than her, or I was too drunk or whatever. Then I got with the program and the excuses ceased; I promise you the problem isn't night game, it's your game.
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Quote: (12-22-2010 04:23 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

night game, at least in cover-based bars and clubs has been dead for a long time.

Now that I will agree with, why pay $20 to get into a bar with $8 drinks, when the dive bar with no cover and $2 beers provides the same chance of getting laid?
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#9

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While I agree with a lot of what was said here especially the parts relating to girls texting do you guys think Night Game is Dead for good looking guys with game? While all things listed are problems to overcome Im still getting #s when Im out and Id like to hear from some of the other guys too, I dont imagine me to be the only one having success at night.

It seems like the game subculture for the most part is guys who arent that good looking finding a way to close the gap on good looking guys and naturals. If chicks are distracted early on with other things i.e. phones the less attractive guy doesnt have time to run his game and build attraction and therefore is dead on arrival whereas a better looking guy is going to at least have a window of opportunity to get the girl.
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#10

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The average American man will only sleep with about 7 women in his life and most of those will come from his social network. Puts it all in perspective.
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#11

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night game isnt dead. not by a long shot.

bar game is def not dead. dance clubs are abit tougher.

you just have to adapt ur game to the "new" night.

clubs are making it difficult with the over excessive loud music and the crazy dim lighting settings. although its not as bad in america as it is in CA and SA america.

anyone else notice how dark clubs in CA and SA are?!?!? its almost ridiculous. cant hardly see shit.
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Well I was going to post a similar thread but not so well written. I went out on Friday to a cockfestered club with slightly an older crowd, at first I was pissed but then i made some observations. The women roamed around the club in groups of two's or more trying to find the right "spot". I leaned on the bar and was able to get a few looks, some girls even gave us some small chat.
But what i found shocking is that the man seemed scared to talk to the women. No ONE was even attempting to make a move, some girls would start idle chit chat with a group of guys and then the guys would go overboard.

In Canada it can be tough in the winter, in Toronto there are loads of clubs and they seem to be doing business. However, most of my friends are on plenty of fish website, I just don't want to go through that.

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#13

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Venue selection, venue selection, venue selection
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Quote: (12-22-2010 10:26 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Venue selection, venue selection, venue selection

Speaking of venue selection, it would be cool if you had some sort of wiki up on your site (maybe the real man travel guide site) where Poonquistadors all over the world could post up different venues where they've had success. Maybe divided into countries, states, cities, etc. ?
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#15

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Headed out tonight, I'm thinking I'm going to resuscitate night game. Then again, this is vegas, I doubt it's experiencing the same thing the other parts of the country are. It was hit the hardest with the recession but, the night game is going strong. It's an inverse relationship, if you will.
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Quote: (12-22-2010 10:26 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Venue selection, venue selection, venue selection

Freshman bars? [Image: banana.gif]

I am thinking...


yes.[Image: idea.gif]
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Quote: (12-22-2010 07:24 PM)CJ Wrote:  

I'm not normally one to knock other member's posts, but this is just crap and a really pathetic excuse for why you're not getting laid by girls you meet at the bar.

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Ironically, the one setting in which I don't get a lot of eye contact comparatively is at bars and clubs...Thus, I haven't had much success in the night game...Bars and clubs are no longer good for meeting women so I need to find new avenues to meet women.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-3152.html

That's you in another thread you recently posted, and that's total BS. Even in this terrible weather (I'm in metro Detroit) I've still been able to pull. Absolutely not with the same volume I was getting back in October, but that's why the smart squirrel stashes away some acorns for the winter.

To me you're dismissing night game because you're not having any success with it, and thus you figure day game is the answer. What you really need to do is work harder on your inner game. Perhaps you'll get there through day game and have more success at night, I don't know.

I used to make excuses too, oh there's too many guys/not enough girls here, or that girl was obviously a bitch, or I could do better than her, or I was too drunk or whatever. Then I got with the program and the excuses ceased; I promise you the problem isn't night game, it's your game.

I own a bar (used to own a 15,000 sq ft night club) and i'm here to tell you the OP is dead on. Night game is dead. These women are getting more obnoxious and conceited, and yet they are getting FATTER every year. it is like their ego grows in proportion to their waistlines...it is unreal.

I do agree daygame is better, but then you have to be an approach bot. I think the key there is soft-sell bodylanguage, and a warm smile. the eyes have it in the day approaches. Smell good and look good.

I was in an urban outfitters store the other day and had a VERY cute early 20's chick doing a proximity approach on me. The chica I was with quickly charged up to me as the girl was looking over to smile at me. She was 5' 100 lbs with a big rack she tried to hide under her shirt. Kind of a hippy chick but she was cute. I am still kicking myself.

TOP TIP: whip out your phone and add her to your fb on the spot and make her ACCEPT you on the spot. flirt with her while you are doing it. Be playful. Smile, and be relaxed. If she flakes or turns you down, don't worry about it. Smile and walk.

It is indeed a numbers game, but when you can read body language and are aware of proximity appraoches (when the girl gets close to you so you can inititiate a conversation) she WANTS TO BE OPENED. give it a try. Make a comment about a gaudy dress. Keep it light hearted and funny.

I think nightclubs are a HUGE waste of time if you are over 22 years old and not living in a college town. big waste.
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I say night game is alive and well. Are you guys meaning only in The USA??

If you're looking for a same day swoop without any bullshit in betwenn, with a girl you've never seen before, clubs are still your best bet in my opinion.

I say the order goes Club/bar at night, happy hour, beach bar in day time. Everything else usually involves phone shit. You can get same day laid in other ways, but usually you get phones and whatnot involved.

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"Whip out your phone and add her to FB on the spot?" Lol, ok that doesn't scream "stalker" or anything... I think I'll pass on that one. I've never owned a bar, but I've worked at plenty and if the owner and his top guys are promoting the bar correctly, you'll get the kind of girls you want in there, at least on the weekend.
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Quote: (12-22-2010 07:37 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

The average American man will only sleep with about 7 women in his life and most of those will come from his social network. Puts it all in perspective.

That is surprising to me. It was my understanding that Americans get an excessive amount of punni.

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Quote: (12-23-2010 03:51 PM)CJ Wrote:  

"Whip out your phone and add her to FB on the spot?" Lol, ok that doesn't scream "stalker" or anything... I think I'll pass on that one. I've never owned a bar, but I've worked at plenty and if the owner and his top guys are promoting the bar correctly, you'll get the kind of girls you want in there, at least on the weekend.

Not true. The problem is that there are far more things competing for a woman's time now more than ever. That coupled with how desperate and needy American men have become has made more and more women avoid clubs altogether. I get plenty that are cute come in my bar, but i'll tell you the amount of work to get them and the bullshit that comes along with it just isn't worth it. I see your average guy just not even having a chance anymore.

I own a bar, i'm in good shape and popular with the ladies and i'm telling you it's hard. It's hard because it is a lot of work with less of a talent pool, more desperate cock blockers than ever, and our women are more conceited and fat than at any other point in history. The facebook thing works like a charm. You must have a guilty conscience about being a stalker because the girl knows she can delete/block you far easier than she could change her cell number. So they are more willing to give you their fb info (where they will see your HVM profile)...

It works, i've proven it all in the trenches hundreds of times.
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Quote: (12-23-2010 03:51 PM)CJ Wrote:  

"Whip out your phone and add her to FB on the spot?" Lol, ok that doesn't scream "stalker" or anything... I think I'll pass on that one. I've never owned a bar, but I've worked at plenty and if the owner and his top guys are promoting the bar correctly, you'll get the kind of girls you want in there, at least on the weekend.

http://naughtynomad.com/2010/12/03/why-n...-outdated/

I rest my case.
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You contradict yourself and assume so much it's not even funny. I'd even debate whether or not you own a bar at this point... as you seem to feel the need to remind the forum that you do in every post.
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Quote: (12-24-2010 07:43 PM)bigbootyluvr Wrote:  

http://naughtynomad.com/2010/12/03/why-n...-outdated/

I rest my case.

Also that article is retarded...

1. "Screening" - why do I need to screen her old profile pics? I don't care if she's lost weight, or might put it back on. I only care what the girl looks like right now while I'm with her. I also have self-control these days, so I don't worry about being too drunk when I first see a girl.

2. "It facilitates DHV’s" - thanks, that's great, but I'm not so lazy that I need an internet profile to do my work for me!

3. "You can IM" - while I agree that calling is stupid, I don't think texting is that far behind an aim conversation. I will admit that in college I did get girls AIM screen names often, as texting wasn't so popular yet. I believe if the girl is into you, she's not going to ignore your text though.

4. "It builds comfort and trust" - that's all well and good, but do you really want a girl to "know all about you" - know who your family is, close friends are, and possibly girls you've dated? I sure as hell don't want a stranger knowing all that. The girl could turn out to be psycho, and you can only hide so much about yourself on your FB profile, and you CAN'T control everything your friends share. Ever heard of the idea that you want to remain somewhat of a mystery to a girl you've just met? Facebook eliminates most of that.

I have no problem adding anyone to facebook, except for girls I am banging or want to bang, FB hinders more than it helps. Myspace a few years ago on the other hand...
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NOPE. That's why I don't use my real name on Facebook. Only my family and close friends know about the alias. And because I do not share the last name with my family and do not have family photos on my page, the girl never knows how many people or who are my family. Why wouldn't you WANT a page that shows DHV?

Also, calling naughty nomad's article "retarded" is a bit silly. The guy has traveled all over the world and has pics, articles, and well written reports to prove it. He's tested a lot of different stuff (as have I) and i'm telling you it works.


Quote: (12-26-2010 10:19 PM)CJ Wrote:  

Quote: (12-24-2010 07:43 PM)bigbootyluvr Wrote:  

http://naughtynomad.com/2010/12/03/why-n...-outdated/

I rest my case.

Also that article is retarded...

1. "Screening" - why do I need to screen her old profile pics? I don't care if she's lost weight, or might put it back on. I only care what the girl looks like right now while I'm with her. I also have self-control these days, so I don't worry about being too drunk when I first see a girl.

2. "It facilitates DHV’s" - thanks, that's great, but I'm not so lazy that I need an internet profile to do my work for me!

3. "You can IM" - while I agree that calling is stupid, I don't think texting is that far behind an aim conversation. I will admit that in college I did get girls AIM screen names often, as texting wasn't so popular yet. I believe if the girl is into you, she's not going to ignore your text though.

4. "It builds comfort and trust" - that's all well and good, but do you really want a girl to "know all about you" - know who your family is, close friends are, and possibly girls you've dated? I sure as hell don't want a stranger knowing all that. The girl could turn out to be psycho, and you can only hide so much about yourself on your FB profile, and you CAN'T control everything your friends share. Ever heard of the idea that you want to remain somewhat of a mystery to a girl you've just met? Facebook eliminates most of that.

I have no problem adding anyone to facebook, except for girls I am banging or want to bang, FB hinders more than it helps. Myspace a few years ago on the other hand...
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