Quote: (02-03-2014 03:09 AM)DWF Wrote:
His numbers were okay, but they all came in garbage time. The first half he didn't do anything.
You just said his numbers were okay. He had 206 total passing yards. Just under half of these (94) came in the first half. The Seahawks offense accounted for a total of 29 points on the night. 15 of these (just over half) came in the first half.
During the first half, Wilson compiled nearly half of his passing total for the night and led his offense to compile the slight majority of the points they would account for in this game. That isn't "nothing".
Also, when exactly is "garbage time"? By my estimation, the game wasn't clearly out of reach until the end of the third quarter, and it was Wilson's first TD pass that put it there. Most of Wilson's yards came when the game was very much in contention.
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The whole defense was the MVP of the game.
I would have given it to Harvin.
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Have you heard of Trent Dilfer? Another game manager who won the SB with a team (Baltimore) that had an elite defense. Also, Brad Johnson won a SB with Tampa in 2003. How did he do it? Yep, another elite defense.
So, this is now the third time in the 2000s that a game manager has won a SB with the help of an elite defense. In each case, the games were blowouts precisely because the defense was completely dominating. Therefore, your statement that game managers don't win championships is obviously incorrect.
If those are your best "game manager" examples, then you've just proven my point: Russell Wilson is not a game manager. He is vastly superior to Trent Dilfer, who was, at his best, a serviceable starter who struggled to manage a positive TD:INT ratio and never managed a completion percentage over 60%:
http://www.nfl.com/player/trentdilfer/2500392/profile
Brad Johnson was not a game manager. In his SB winning season, he was top 10 in passing yards per game, ahead of McNair, Favre, McNabb and about a yard behind Brady. His yards per attempt were in the top half of the league, ahead of both Favre and Brady. His Air Yards per attempts were in the top 5. The Bucs did not merely expect Johnson to dink and dunk short, easy passes and scrape by a few wins. He was asked to throw the ball down the field and challenge defenses, and did so at a rate greater than the majority of QBs in the game that year. That team asked him to do as much with his arm as just about any other team in the league asked of their QB.
Trent Dilfer is what you can call a true game manager, and his stats bare that out. He could only just barely manage a positive TD-Turnover ratio, and his yards per game in his SB winning season (136.5 y/g) are FAR below the figures for either Johnson (234.5 y/g) or Wilson (209 y/g). His attempts per game (20) are also below the equivalent figures for both Johnson (34) and Wilson (25).
In examining both Wilson and Johnson's SB winning seasons, you will notice that both were top 10 in the league in air yards per attempt (that is to say, the average distance their passes traveled in the air before getting to the receiver). This statistic is useful: it can tell us which QBs are being asked to take chances down field and really test defences with their arms, and which QBs are simply being asked to dink and dunk their way to victory with short, easy throws that never really ask them to test a defence.
In Dilfer's SB winning season, he was 26th in Air Yards/attempt. Wilson was 6th this year and Johnson was 5th in 2002. Combine this with the fact that each of those QBs had a substantially higher number of attempts and yards per game and you can conclude that both were asked to do much more with their arms than Dilfer was. They're in a different league.
Dilfer statistically did the bare minimum needed to win and was unable to truly carry his offense. The Ravens, fortunately, never asked him to do so, and that is evidenced by his relatively low y/g, attempts/g and air yards/attempt, in addition to his high turnover rate and low TD%.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ye...assing.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ye...assing.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ye...assing.htm
Brad Johnson is not in that league and neither is Russell Wilson. Those two QBs are not statistically comparable to Trent Dilfer, who is the only true game manager mentioned in this thread.
TL;DR: You're right, game managers can win Super Bowls. Brad Johnson and Russell Wilson provide no evidence of this. Trent Dilfer does.
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