[JJ Roberts]

(01-13-2014 12:55 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The movie is based on a true story. The point is that the depiction of reality is red pill. The movie shows the reality - first wife dumps her morality as soon as she starts living well and the second wife dumps him as soon as times get tough.

How does the first wife dump her morality?

[Suits]

(01-13-2014 01:45 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 12:55 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The movie is based on a true story. The point is that the depiction of reality is red pill. The movie shows the reality - first wife dumps her morality as soon as she starts living well and the second wife dumps him as soon as times get tough.

How does the first wife dump her morality?

Ya, actually the first wife has some serious misgivings about his "activities" and while she does stick with the relationship for a while yet, I'd wager that her quickness to end the marriage when she catches him cheating has a lot to do with her lack of trust in him that his questionable business practices has brought.



But seriously. This film isn't red-pill. All the named female characters in this movie have a higher moral standard than the men. Even the second bitch he marries comes off looking half way good when she creates a plan to steal his kids.

[Sp5]

(01-13-2014 01:45 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 12:55 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The movie is based on a true story. The point is that the depiction of reality is red pill. The movie shows the reality - first wife dumps her morality as soon as she starts living well and the second wife dumps him as soon as times get tough.

How does the first wife dump her morality?

There is one scene where the first wife is questioning the kind of stocks he's selling and who he's selling them too. He basically admits it's a scam.

Then the scene cuts to her enjoying a glass of wine on the deck of their new posh condo and discussing things without her expressing moral qualms again. She's happy. Wealth has removed her moral concerns.

(01-13-2014 03:29 AM)Suits Wrote:  

But seriously. This film isn't red-pill. All the named female characters in this movie have a higher moral standard than the men. Even the second bitch he marries comes off looking half way good when she creates a plan to steal his kids.

Well, since the main male characters have a very low moral standard, the only way the females would be lower is if they were killing kiddies or something.

What was red pill to me was that the second wife dumped Jordan as soon as he got in trouble. No loyalty.

[slothpiece]

I liked how he punched his second wife in the stomach for threatening limited visitation and being a general cunt.

[Collide]

The movie shows that being in a monogamous relationship is a huge burden on a successful man. The only reason he got into marriage is because he was convinced marriage was another form of "success" he had to conquer. You can tell by how quickly he jumped into marriage that it was just a check off the list of accomplishments. He had no real feelings towards these women because he kept fucking other women.

None of the women in the film have a very high moral standard at all. They were all gold-diggers.

[coolstorybro]

(01-12-2014 07:20 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

Jews want all Hollywood villains to be potrayed as WASPs, Germans, Muslims, Southerners, Romans, Colonialist Europeans, Catholics and Russians which is pretty much a list of those whom Jews have had power struggles with.

Considering who controls Hollywood its understandably rare for a Jewish character to be portrayed in an unfavorable light.

Basically the jews have had struggles with ever single people they ever lived among.

I mean, at one point, if everyone says you're an arsehole, maybe it's time to consider that they are right?

[GyopoPlayboy]

jordan belfort interview where he breaks down they keys to his success.

if u can cut thru all the anecdotes, there's a lot of good stuff in there.

here are his 4 keys to success, along with some of my own thoughts:

1. Have a vision, not a goal. goals are for losers. goals are easily sacrificed or given up on...a vision keeps you going long after everyone else has quit.
2. Manage your state. be in control of your feelings, don't let them control you. be aware of what you are doing and how you feel. a lot of people can make excellent rational decisions and then their emotions come along and fuck it all up.
3. Beliefs. Specifically, limiting beliefs. Take some time to ask yourself what's really holding you back. Root out your limiting beliefs with a vengeance. Be like Belfort...interpret things how you want, don't let others dictate your beliefs for you.
4. Strategies. Once you have your vision, implement clear, straightforward, no-bullshit strategies to get there.

my take on Belfort and why it worked for him:
- he has an addictive personality. it takes that kind of personality to get anywhere.
- he doesn't regret his actions. even now, after serving time in jail. his level of empathy is way lower than the average human being's. and he feels absolutely justified in everything he does.
- he is, at the core, a born salesman.
- he never ever strove to become an expert in his field. it wasn't the stock market that he knew how to manipulate. it was people. his employees. his clients. their greed and avarice, especially. and human nature doesn't change. "sell me this pen" he says, and when his buddy manages to do so, what does belfort claim was the reason it worked? "urgency." that's a human trait, has nothing to do with the pen.
- he surrounded himself with go-getters.

i'm not saying the man is not without his flaws. but he's doing the core things right: have a vision, believe 100% that you deserve to have it, then go get it.

[reaper23]

(01-13-2014 04:37 PM)coolstorybro Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 07:20 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

Jews want all Hollywood villains to be potrayed as WASPs, Germans, Muslims, Southerners, Romans, Colonialist Europeans, Catholics and Russians which is pretty much a list of those whom Jews have had power struggles with.

Considering who controls Hollywood its understandably rare for a Jewish character to be portrayed in an unfavorable light.

Basically the jews have had struggles with ever single people they ever lived among.

I mean, at one point, if everyone says you're an arsehole, maybe it's time to consider that they are right?

really?

[Vronsky]

It was an alright movie. I had higher expectations from a Scorsese production. Boiler Room is a similar movie yet more focused on the business of sales hence it's a superior film in my eyes.
The wolf was a successful man who did the same calculations a lot of Wall Street guys do and traded up for a newer hotter model of a wife, only to have the gold-digger abandon him when the good times ended. Them's the breaks when these calculations are made. It explains why guys like zuckerberg stick with their college girlfriends and don't trade up. At least they know she is not with them for the money. It's not a popular manosphere trope but loyalty is worth something.
Another thing that struck me was someone telling the wolf that if our institutions were run by people like him the US would be a third world corrupt shithole like Guatemala or Nigeria. There will always be con men and its important to have regulatory agencies/legal institutions/ structure to protect innocent ppl from them. Sadly, I think these sorts of institutions have deliberately become more and more toothless the more influence business has on politics and governance.

[Collide]

(01-13-2014 08:59 PM)Vronsky Wrote:  

Boiler Room is a similar movie yet more focused on the business of sales hence it's a superior film in my eyes.

Boiler Room is a more enjoyable film in your eyes. Just because Wolf of Wall Street didn't focus on your interests does not make it inferior.

I could say Avatar was a superior film to Dances With Wolves because Avatar focused more on space travel, but it's an invalid argument.

[Vronsky]

Key phrase "...superior film in MY EYES". The capitalized portion acknowledges the inherent subjectivity of such a statement.

[Collide]

Now I'm being picky but superior denotes better quality, there isn't anything of better quality in Boiler Room. Acting wasn't as good, script wasn't as good, cinematography wasn't as good. You can still find Boiler Room more enjoyable because it focused on your interests.

[Ensam]

(01-13-2014 08:26 PM)GyopoPlayboy Wrote:  

jordan belfort interview where he breaks down they keys to his success.

if u can cut thru all the anecdotes, there's a lot of good stuff in there.

here are his 4 keys to success, along with some of my own thoughts:

1. Have a vision, not a goal. goals are for losers. goals are easily sacrificed or given up on...a vision keeps you going long after everyone else has quit.
2. Manage your state. be in control of your feelings, don't let them control you. be aware of what you are doing and how you feel. a lot of people can make excellent rational decisions and then their emotions come along and fuck it all up.
3. Beliefs. Specifically, limiting beliefs. Take some time to ask yourself what's really holding you back. Root out your limiting beliefs with a vengeance. Be like Belfort...interpret things how you want, don't let others dictate your beliefs for you.
4. Strategies. Once you have your vision, implement clear, straightforward, no-bullshit strategies to get there.

my take on Belfort and why it worked for him:
- he has an addictive personality. it takes that kind of personality to get anywhere.
- he doesn't regret his actions. even now, after serving time in jail. his level of empathy is way lower than the average human being's. and he feels absolutely justified in everything he does.
- he is, at the core, a born salesman.
- he never ever strove to become an expert in his field. it wasn't the stock market that he knew how to manipulate. it was people. his employees. his clients. their greed and avarice, especially. and human nature doesn't change. "sell me this pen" he says, and when his buddy manages to do so, what does belfort claim was the reason it worked? "urgency." that's a human trait, has nothing to do with the pen.
- he surrounded himself with go-getters.

i'm not saying the man is not without his flaws. but he's doing the core things right: have a vision, believe 100% that you deserve to have it, then go get it.

Damn that guy is charismatic. Is he pitching any stocks? I want in.

[WestCoast]

Lol the best part of that video is 14:10-30 and then 19:50 or so.

He basically tries to teach him not to be poor and the interviewer doesn't get it. You can see the frustration in his eyes at 14:30 and at 20 or so when he flips it back to him.

You definitely have to become unconscious to become filthy rich. If you're in a state of consciousness your performance lags. Scary how similar all the really wealthy guys think, personally still trying to tie those loose ends up and really grasp it all. Also agree on his view of wealth, true wealth means everyone gets wealthier because you simply showed up. If the room doesn't improve when you walk in, you're the problem in the room.

[Maciano]

I'm definitely going to see this movie.

Wallstreet may be a limb of Satan, I always get a kick out of these money magicians who hustle more money daily than most towns make in a century. It's not like any asshole, like Belfort, can just decide to cheat and then succeed. It's still an enormous challenge which is worth telling.

The only scheme I've witnessed someone get rich with up-close was about premium SMS services. This guy advertised on TV for his service. You could get the "Love Calculator", you SMS-ed your name + her name to a number and then you'd get a score back for 1,50 euro -- AND a subscription to useless games, costing 4,50 euro 3 times a week. It was a scam that enriched him greatly for over 5 years, the telecom operators got 40%, thus never complained, because A) they were complicit and over time dependant and 2) it was not illegal (yet). He's a millionaire many times over now, and he was also one of the most fascinating guys I've ever met, especially during meetings in which he just took over from much more powerful players. Whenever Roissy writes about the Dark Triad I think of that guy.

All I'm saying is this: schemes & scammers, whatever evil they embody, can be illuminating, fascinating and useful to know.

[cardguy]

Is this film as good as Casino or Goodfellas?

[Teedub]

I never thought I'd become so engrossed so quickly. I'm watching all that interview with him now. His stuff about having a vision rather than just goals is very interesting and one I'm inclined to agree with.

[Sp5]

btw, the real Belfort has a cameo role in the film.

[Intl_Rasta]

(01-14-2014 07:25 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

Is this film as good as Casino or Goodfellas?

HELL NO...Good movie of the moment,but will be forgotten in time, Like a Wallstreet 2.

[cardguy]

Why won't Scorsese make a film as good as Casino or Goodfellas again? He has lost it over the past 20 years.

Still - his upcoming movie about Jimmy Hoffa sounds promising.

[Collide]

(01-14-2014 04:43 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

He has lost it over the past 20 years.

Spielberg has lost it. Scorcese is still putting out great films like Wolf and Hugo.

[Daddy]

(01-13-2014 10:27 PM)Collide Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 08:59 PM)Vronsky Wrote:  

Boiler Room is a similar movie yet more focused on the business of sales hence it's a superior film in my eyes.

Boiler Room is a more enjoyable film in your eyes. Just because Wolf of Wall Street didn't focus on your interests does not make it inferior.

Boiler room was a fun movie, but I hated Ben Affleck in that role, he was completely not credible. His Alec Baldwin scene was laughable.

[Slim Shady]

(01-14-2014 04:43 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

Why won't Scorsese make a film as good as Casino or Goodfellas again? He has lost it over the past 20 years.

Still - his upcoming movie about Jimmy Hoffa sounds promising.

"The Irishman" will be the first collaboration between Al Pacino and Scorsese, which I am very excited for. Plus there's De Niro, and Pesci.

[cardguy]

Anyone read the book 'The Wolf of Wall Street'? It is the sort of book I tend to like, and I nearly read it a few years ago.

Just wondering if others have checked it out?

[Hotwheels]

I read it last year and found it enjoyable.