[pitt]

(12-01-2013 09:34 PM)MattC Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

It's all relative.

Sex can be one of the most memorable experiences of our lives or it can be a waste of time..

It just depends on the situation the each man finds himself in.

We all know guys that have wasted countless amounts of time, money, and energy in pursuit of sex.

Would that time have been better spent building a career and accumulating wealth and power???

Maybe..

It depends on the man and his unique situation.

Sex can make you the happiest man alive or it can kill you. It's all about who, what, when, where, and why you are doing it..

Getting a DUI because you were high and wanted to bang a 4 is worse than a waste of time, its a waste of life.

Banging a foreign cutie while you are on vacation is one of lifes great thrills.

I agree 100% with this.

I think the guys (not just in this thread) who say girls aren't worth anything once you've busted your nut aren't shagging hot girls. If you're shagging hot girls, truly hot girls, you don't kick them to the kerb after one night. You want to keep them around and you do.

The only reason you don't keep them around is because you've got other truly hot girls in your "rotation".

I've got experience shagging some very hot girls, and I've got experience shagging rotters.

Not once with the very hot girls did I think the next day "right, she's done with now" and ended things with her.

With the rotters, yes, every time. I never wanted to see them again. This is where I believe this attitude of "girls are worthless" stems from - guys consistently shagging rotters.

If you're focussed on building wealth, becoming location independent, building a great body and being the best you can be, there's nothing like true emotional support from a really hot girl with a great personality to help you achieve what you want to achieve in life.

If you're happy fucking girl after girl, then so be it. As I said, the guys who are nailing the 9s and above consistently can get away with the attitude of "they're not worth anything after sex". For most, I'm not having that. You just sound bitter and I don't believe for one second you're having sex with hot girls.

Just like girls can tell what guys are getting laid, guys can tell what other guys' sex lives are.

I mean, if it's your thing to have sex with loads of rotters and label women as worthless beyond sex, then so be it. I'm not knocking your lifestyle because it's your choice, but I don't think your opinions have much merit.

Interesting how I think the opposite. I think guys who are not getting laid are the ones who over estimate the value of pussy, guys who are constantly banging hot girls know that pussy ain't worth shit after the bang.

As I have said, I wish i was more focused in other areas of life (I am not saying I'm not) because after the bang, all that excitement is gone, my thread here proves this http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-17989.html

Due to my high testosterone I keep on going back to chasing girls and I truly enjoy it but after the bang you think that pussy is just pussy. It's not worth spending so much time in fucking girls.

Roosh had a great post on his site about achieving your goals and then realizing that wanting it was more exciting than accomplishing it. It's like wanting your parents to buy you a nintendo and then when they buy you the nintendo, you start losing interest after playing it so much.

Some of us are lucky to be in cities where is full of women that we truly fancy, we definitely ain't disappointed with the quality we are banging.

[Matt3B]

That's the thing. The guys who read what I've just written will know whether I'm talking about them or not. I can't say for certain which guys are having sex routinely with hot girls and what guys are routinely having sex with lesser quality girls but I can get get a pretty good idea from some guys' writing.

Just like when you call someone out for lying and they defend their lie with another lie, it's not up to me to draw from the lesson I'm trying to teach, it's up to the liar. You can lie to my face, but inside you know you're wrong.

I'm not calling you a liar, it's just an example. The point is, any guy can come on here and say "girls are worthless after sex but may not actually be getting laid, or are pulling only 7s and below. It's like me saying "don't go to Australia, there's no point". I've not been to Australia, but I'm drawing an overall conclusion on Australia without experiencing it. How can guys who subscribe to the mentality "pussy is only pussy" say that if they've not experienced the much fabled "feminine, highly attractive girl"?

I'm just speaking generally here, it's not a direct attack on you.

In regards to your thread you've linked, I remember reading it for the first time. You can see by my reply all the way back then backs up what I'm saying here. If it's a 9, I'll want to go again. If it's a 6, I won't. This is what I'm talking about.

For your situation, saying you wished you spent more time chasing other things than girls and that "pussy is pussy" makes me think you're trying to fill a void in your life by constantly chasing women. I'm not saying you don't have other things going on, but it seems women are your priority. Women aren't my priority so I have a stance where they can offer me more than just a quick fuck and be gone.

Have you experienced a girl who's a "9" or above give herself to you? Where she'll do anything for you to make you happy? She'll cook you food and have it ready for you when you come home from work or the gym, do all your washing, provide you with company when you're alone, clean up after you and offer you support where it's needed while you focus on more important issues like financial goals or career goals or whatever else it may be?

To me, saying that "girls are worthless" once you've shot your load doesn't sit right. I think that the guys who truly believe this are broken inside. I've been there. I used to believe it but now I've grown as a person and other things in my life have changed, I don't think like that.

As I said, a really hot girl with a great personality is more than just a one night stand unless you've got a ton of other girls like that.

If a guy says they don't enjoy the company of women unless it's purely for sex then it says one of two things: he's not fucking hot girls or there's a void in their life. This isn't aimed at you Pitt, I'm speaking more generally again.

[pitt]

You are still missing the point.

When we say sex is just sex, it doesn't mean that women should be only used for sex. I am currently living with a 9 (She is actually a 10, I am being modest here), she does all the house work for me and she is a psychologist, the most intelligent women I have ever met, caring, feminine and all the great qualities you can think of. I truly enjoy being in a relationship with her but I have to admit that after the bust, I think sex is just sex. Paulo Coelho has a great book on this subject (11 minutes) where he says that we invest a lot of our lives in having sex and after the orgasm we get kinda depressed, and ask ourselves ''is this all''? But we go back to the same routine (gym, job, women go to hair salon, etc) because this is a basic necessity that must be filled.

And I am not saying that sex is not important and as the other member on this thread said ''I've learned that sex doesn't really matter until you aren't getting any''.

[Matt3B]

Well, I agree with that stance. Sex is just sex.

What I don't agree with (generally) is when guys say that's all a girl is good for. When you have sex with them, there's no point in seeing them again - I don't agree with this. As I said before, there are only two types of guys that say this.

In your situation, it sounds like you agree with me because of the way you've described your girl.

But yes, I do agree that sex is no big issue. I also agree that the guys not getting laid put more importance on sex and make it a bigger deal than it is because I've been there in the past.

[reaper23]

I'm finding that additional partners and sexual experiences don't make me any happier than I was the moment before. Sure there is a fleeting endorphin rush, but even that has diminished over time.

I've escalated the sexual experience to theater and it still doesn't increase my overall happiness.

It is just something I do now.

Which does make you wonder if it is "worth" it.

I'm sure in the absence of sex, I'd feel much differently.

and by way of reference, I live with a 8.5+ who cooks every day and is red pill as they come. And I have young, hot, compliant side pussy to the point that I can't even get to them all and they get mad and whine about my not having time for them.

I'm just kinda over it right now, which might be fleeting as well.

[Flavius Aetius]

"Sex is a waste of time"

With the same girl yes. That is why god created 3.5 billion women. Sex with new girls is never a waste of time.

[Vitriol]

(12-02-2013 09:46 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

I'm finding that additional partners and sexual experiences don't make me any happier than I was the moment before. Sure there is a fleeting endorphin rush, but even that has diminished over time.

I've escalated the sexual experience to theater and it still doesn't increase my overall happiness.

It is just something I do now.

Which does make you wonder if it is "worth" it.

theatre or ( US ) theater -

6. a setting for dramatic or important events

I guess an inevitable consequence of using sex only as a form of entertainment is that it becomes important in the moment, but loses any greater significance. In the context of that definition, it's like something you do to be a part of a dramatic personal event that has no bearing on your life after the show is over. (Assuming no pregnancies, STDs).

Although it may be depressing to realize that, it's probably the best kind of entertainment you can get. It's also essential to your mental and physical well being in many ways. Life becomes less interesting when you can't take a trip to the theater occasionally.

[tiggaling]

"Sex" as a product, was invented by the dopamine deficient capitalist consumerist feminised patriarchy.

But seriously, I think each man experiences completely different things with the different women he attracts and has sex with.

For some men, sex is going to be a repetitive, icky, boring event - for others it is going to be a deeply fulfilling, unsurpassed spiritual experience. But again, it just depends on where he is at, and the type of females he is having sex with etc.

It seems to me men and women in the west are often having quite shallow biological sexual experiences, spiked with the occaisional "magic moments" - because sex is so often just another product on the shelf, another way to get a dopamine hit.

Btw, I don't think it is always about her looks, a five can be a much better lay than a nine. I don't think it is just about her pussy either, it is often said that 80-90% of human communication is body language.

With sex it is that "body language" factor which typically makes sex what it is - the ability of your body to communicate with her body, not just her "pussy" or your "dick"

[reaper23]

(12-03-2013 12:21 AM)Vitriol Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:46 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

I'm finding that additional partners and sexual experiences don't make me any happier than I was the moment before. Sure there is a fleeting endorphin rush, but even that has diminished over time.

I've escalated the sexual experience to theater and it still doesn't increase my overall happiness.

It is just something I do now.

Which does make you wonder if it is "worth" it.

theatre or ( US ) theater -

6. a setting for dramatic or important events

I guess an inevitable consequence of using sex only as a form of entertainment is that it becomes important in the moment, but loses any greater significance. In the context of that definition, it's like something you do to be a part of a dramatic personal event that has no bearing on your life after the show is over. (Assuming no pregnancies, STDs).

Although it may be depressing to realize that, it's probably the best kind of entertainment you can get. It's also essential to your mental and physical well being in many ways. Life becomes less interesting when you can't take a trip to the theater occasionally.

I didn't mean theater to mean entertainment, though it is partly that.

I mean theater to mean: well thought out, ritualized, often with props. A production of sorts. Something with a lot of energy and consideration put to it. Something other people could watch. Not that I'm into that.

I mentioned it because I wanted to indicate that the sexual experience has dulled for me even as I have escalated its intensity, creativity, and innovation. I've become an expert in tantra and bdsm. I've had those universe melting experiences, time travel, telepathy etc... plus crazy bdsm experiences with girls in cages, beatings, whippings, everything.

and frankly, at the end of the day, i'm not getting much reward for the effort these days.

one thing is clear to me, however. the best sex comes with someone that is moderately new to you (one to six months), who you lust after and who you likely are falling in love with. thats the sweet spot.

everything else pales in comparison. there just aren't the endorphins released otherwise.

[void]

Full Circle:
http://www.rooshv.com/i-think-therefore-im-erect

[teh_skeeze]

For me getting strange is about burning the image in my brain so I can get off on it later. Whether that be by masturbation or some other chick down the road. I rarely cum the first time I fuck a chick.

[Christian McQueen]

"I rarely cum the first time I fuck a chick."

^Huh?

You may want to fuck higher quality girls in terms of looks and/or lay off the porn.

[teh_skeeze]

I've always had trouble with retarded ejaculation. Better quality, nor abstinence from porn seem to help. I think the issue is twofold: 1) Fear of pregnancy and 2) Most chicks won't put in the work necessary to stimulate me enough to have me reach climax. Once I get a chick on lockdown, there are hardly any issues.

Edit: One thing that is sure to get me off is taboo. The idea of getting caught and knowing I have to get off quick to get away with it turns me on.

[Mr. Butterworth]

every time bitches start getting on my last fucking nerve I think "pussy is so fuckin overrated. all we are doing is going in an out some insanely sopping wet hole. is it good?.. it's cool, but it ain't ALL THAT"........ then a bitch pulls out her tiitties, I grab/slap that ass, panties fall, see pussy, feel incredibly wet and quite warm pussy, dick hard enough to move mountains....

all the "pussy ain't shit" thoughts I had before are now laughable.

[Veloce]

I can kind of relate to the OP, but I have this to say:

It's the girl.

There are girls out there, right now, that would blow your mind and make you addicted and thrilled to fuck her many times. There are girls with amazing pussies that you cannot get enough of. There are girls with bodies that are so tight and toned and awesome to look at that anytime you're near them all you can think of doing is fucking their brains out 6 times a day. There are girls that crave your dick and actively want to blow you multiple times a day. There are girls that, due to some friction or chemistry, make you turned on just by being near them.

THESE are the girls you want. They're rare. I can count on one hand how many girls like this I've been with. But you can't give up just because not every girl is like this.

Then there are "the rest". The girls that scratch that itch. The girls that satisfy your need for strange, that you fuck once or twice or thrice and then you stop calling them. Girls that mean nothing to you and you go to sleep alone that night thinking, "Is this all there is?" Girls that make you question the game and thinking, "Hmmm, maybe I should settle down with a nice girl..." These girls are cannon fodder, and god knows I've been with plenty where after I fuck them, I feel like writing something like the OP did here.

But fuck that. Okay go get yourself a gf, that's fine, but don't ever stop chasing strange. Because when you DO land one of those girls with the magic pussies and magic bodies that turn you on like no other, your entire life takes on new levels of pleasure and enjoyment.

By necessity, it's a phase that won't last. But that's life. Unless you're one of the .01% of guys like Roosh that have traveled the entire world to find the premium pussy, chances are these girls are going to elude you. You either find them by chance, like I have, or you uproot your entire existence to chase them.

But make no mistake; they're out there.

[Plutoman]

(12-03-2013 02:56 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  

Btw, I don't think it is always about her looks, a five can be a much better lay than a nine. I don't think it is just about her pussy either, it is often said that 80-90% of human communication is body language.

With sex it is that "body language" factor which typically makes sex what it is - the ability of your body to communicate with her body, not just her "pussy" or your "dick"

I just... simply can't agree with that. I want to, but I just physically cannot go along with that. I have very specific body types I connect with and the rest.. it doesn't matter how good she is, how into me is, whatever. It's not the same. Maybe each guy has a baseline - I know that there's a threshold at which it doesn't matter nearly as much.

Past that threshold - I'd agree. The sex is not the point, the connection, the interaction, everything non-vocal, especially. The look in her eyes. Hell, even just having a cool, fun, feminine girl to be around and hang with.

[Laner]

(12-04-2013 09:40 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I can kind of relate to the OP, but I have this to say:

It's the girl.

There are girls out there, right now, that would blow your mind and make you addicted and thrilled to fuck her many times. There are girls with amazing pussies that you cannot get enough of. There are girls with bodies that are so tight and toned and awesome to look at that anytime you're near them all you can think of doing is fucking their brains out 6 times a day. There are girls that crave your dick and actively want to blow you multiple times a day. There are girls that, due to some friction or chemistry, make you turned on just by being near them.

THESE are the girls you want. They're rare. I can count on one hand how many girls like this I've been with. But you can't give up just because not every girl is like this.

Then there are "the rest". The girls that scratch that itch. The girls that satisfy your need for strange, that you fuck once or twice or thrice and then you stop calling them. Girls that mean nothing to you and you go to sleep alone that night thinking, "Is this all there is?" Girls that make you question the game and thinking, "Hmmm, maybe I should settle down with a nice girl..." These girls are cannon fodder, and god knows I've been with plenty where after I fuck them, I feel like writing something like the OP did here.

But fuck that. Okay go get yourself a gf, that's fine, but don't ever stop chasing strange. Because when you DO land one of those girls with the magic pussies and magic bodies that turn you on like no other, your entire life takes on new levels of pleasure and enjoyment.

By necessity, it's a phase that won't last. But that's life. Unless you're one of the .01% of guys like Roosh that have traveled the entire world to find the premium pussy, chances are these girls are going to elude you. You either find them by chance, like I have, or you uproot your entire existence to chase them.

But make no mistake; they're out there.

Exactly.

Sex should not be seen as a waste of time. Unless, like Soup said that you spend a bunch of time, take risks, etc, chasing down a 4 that you would not ever be seen with.

That should leave any man to question the usage of his time. I know there are a lot of high T men on this forum, but for real, some guys need to stop banging trolls. It is bad for everyone.

Go for the highest quality woman you can, and when you get her, enjoy her to the best of your senses. And use that knowledge to keep aiming higher. Try not to ever date down. You need to be with women that when they are getting dressed, you lay back and enjoy them in all their feminine beauty. Bending over in front of you should be dangerous for them.

[wi30]

(12-04-2013 09:40 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I can kind of relate to the OP, but I have this to say:

It's the girl.

There are girls out there, right now, that would blow your mind and make you addicted and thrilled to fuck her many times. There are girls with amazing pussies that you cannot get enough of. There are girls with bodies that are so tight and toned and awesome to look at that anytime you're near them all you can think of doing is fucking their brains out 6 times a day. There are girls that crave your dick and actively want to blow you multiple times a day. There are girls that, due to some friction or chemistry, make you turned on just by being near them.

THESE are the girls you want. They're rare. I can count on one hand how many girls like this I've been with. But you can't give up just because not every girl is like this.

Then there are "the rest". The girls that scratch that itch. The girls that satisfy your need for strange, that you fuck once or twice or thrice and then you stop calling them. Girls that mean nothing to you and you go to sleep alone that night thinking, "Is this all there is?" Girls that make you question the game and thinking, "Hmmm, maybe I should settle down with a nice girl..." These girls are cannon fodder, and god knows I've been with plenty where after I fuck them, I feel like writing something like the OP did here.

But fuck that. Okay go get yourself a gf, that's fine, but don't ever stop chasing strange. Because when you DO land one of those girls with the magic pussies and magic bodies that turn you on like no other, your entire life takes on new levels of pleasure and enjoyment.

By necessity, it's a phase that won't last. But that's life. Unless you're one of the .01% of guys like Roosh that have traveled the entire world to find the premium pussy, chances are these girls are going to elude you. You either find them by chance, like I have, or you uproot your entire existence to chase them.

But make no mistake; they're out there.

This is by far the best post I've seen on the forum with regards to sexual chemistry. A few years ago I would have called bullshit, but after sleeping with however many girls you find a couple that just work. It doesn't matter if she's "just a 7", she has something about her that matches perfectly with you.

The girl I'm with now is one of those rarities. She takes care of a lot of shit in my life.

Am I going to ride it out and enjoy the best? Of course. But is that going to stop me from pursuing my goals and other girls? Fuck no.

[reaper23]

I'm finding chemistry to be entirely separated from looks, at least to a certain point.

And I'm finding chemistry to be fleeting, even with women that hit all the points and are gorgeous.

[reaper23]

@thedude:

even the girls you write about, i get sick of them eventually. this is what i mean. its a fleeting.

someone once told me that people (myself included) think that happiness or satisfaction is like a train stop where you just arrive and are there when in fact it is transient.

think of the hottest female you've ever known - someone somewhere is tired of fucking her

i'm accepting there is no long term satiety

and if there is no long term satiety then how much value does it really add to my life?

[Jackr]

(12-04-2013 09:40 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I can kind of relate to the OP, but I have this to say:

It's the girl.

...

Outstanding post, thedude, even by your usually high standards.

reaper23 Wrote:

i'm accepting there is no long term satiety

Agreed, but this is completely different from saying, "sex is a waste of time."

There's a girl like thedude3737 described in my past. The first time I fucked her was like finally opening my eyes, after a lifetime of holding them shut. I'd been with a fair collection of chicks before her and none of them were in any way comparable.

And it held out for awhile. I like to think I've had some pretty awesome moments with a variety of girls—getting blown while watching the sunrise on an empty beach in Borneo; fucking a girl on the desk of a boss I hated. Memories I'll treasure till I'm gone. But if I ranked my all-time top 10 lays, it'd be 4 or 5 great stories like that—and all the rest would be completely standard, "vanilla" sex with this one chick. The difference between her and other girls was one of kind, not degree.

Before her, I'd had some thoughts like OP: Getting laid is time consuming. It's expensive. It costs me a good night's sleep. It's boring—most girls can't say anything interesting to save their lives. The type of thoughts that make you wonder if it's worth it, on balance.

After her, there was no question.

I'd kinda liken it to a great old boxer, or hockey or football player. The type of guys who were once demigods, and now have two busted knees, arthritis all over, a little tremor when they try to hold their hands still.

You think those guys ever wonder if it was all worth it? Sure they do—and then they remember the moment they won the Stanley Cup, the Super Bowl, the world title.

There are chicks who will make you feel the same way. Believe that. And experiencing that is worth it, even if it can't last.

[reaper23]

@jackr - believe, me I know the feeling and have many war stories to relate but I won't.

after a while though the threshold for hitting that level of memorable becomes higher and higher and higher to the point now where the only thing i can think of that will create a new high is having an entire gang of submissive women worshipping me, fanning me with palm leaves and feeding me little pickles while i wear a roman toga.

its like chasing the dragon, for me at least

[Veloce]

(12-05-2013 08:45 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

@thedude:

even the girls you write about, i get sick of them eventually. this is what i mean. its a fleeting.

someone once told me that people (myself included) think that happiness or satisfaction is like a train stop where you just arrive and are there when in fact it is transient.

think of the hottest female you've ever known - someone somewhere is tired of fucking her

i'm accepting there is no long term satiety

and if there is no long term satiety then how much value does it really add to my life?

Agree, but it's not just pussy. It's EVERYTHING. Roosh has done some great posts on this, the fleeting nature of happiness. What made you happy yesterday will not make you happy tomorrow, or a week from now, or a year from now.

At the very least, "the good ones", the girls that made an impression on you, will stick with you and you'll look back on them fondly. Just like any good memory in life.

I don't see that as a valid reason to cop out. If you feel like you're making pussy too much of a priority, pull back a little. Just be aware that the less work you put into it, the less results you can expect.

The one thing you can count on 100% is that every girl on earth, no matter how hot, how special, how good the chemistry, will bore you and cease to satisfy you. This goes against one of the fundamentals of red-pill; that we satisfy our carnal urges without apology or explanations.

This is why I'm a big proponent of the "girlfriend plus mistresses" lifestyle. I'm not racking up notches like I was 2 years ago but I'd say my long-term, everyday happiness is generally higher. This is something I'd recommend for guys that are 30+. If you're in your 20s, enjoy those highs and lows.

[Veloce]

And regarding the chemistry thing...it's not bullshit. One of my favorite bangs this year was a 6. The way she moved her body and had sex was incredible, one of the most sensual girls I've been with. She was a 6 by appearance, maybe 6.5, but I'd rate the experience of fucking her as an 8-8.5. She'd get on top of me and ride with a feminine grace that is rare, and had one of the wettest, best-feeling pussies I've ever encountered. If she lost 25 lb and grew her hair out she'd have a spot in my Hall of Fame.

One of my least favorite bangs was a recent 8. One of those girls that's weird and awkward in bed, to the point where I just said "fuck it" and bent her over, fucked her and got it over with. Very thrilling to look at while banging her, but very little sensual pleasure.

[Case]

(12-05-2013 01:21 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

And regarding the chemistry thing...it's not bullshit. One of my favorite bangs this year was a 6. The way she moved her body and had sex was incredible, one of the most sensual girls I've been with. She was a 6 by appearance, maybe 6.5, but I'd rate the experience of fucking her as an 8-8.5. She'd get on top of me and ride with a feminine grace that is rare, and had one of the wettest, best-feeling pussies I've ever encountered. If she lost 25 lb and grew her hair out she'd have a spot in my Hall of Fame.

One of my least favorite bangs was a recent 8. One of those girls that's weird and awkward in bed, to the point where I just said "fuck it" and bent her over, fucked her and got it over with. Very thrilling to look at while banging her, but very little sensual pleasure.

I'm new the forum (been lurking a while though) and viewed this thread half-expecting amateur trolling - what followed instead provoked my mind more than anything else today though! As for the above - I'm glad you wrote that, it's not just me then who finds bed performance often drops as appearances go up.