[iknowexactly]

Stranger than fiction.

I'm over 55, couple days ago a 19 YO Chinese FOB exchange student
at the major university near my home opened me looking for a post office.

I felt like she was into me, dunno why, but we kept talking and her friends got bored, let her know where they were going and left.

I felt the Spirit of Roosh near, disparagingly shaking his head and squinting his eyes as one watches one's dumbest student about to fuck up the same problem again , and saying "You'll never see her again....". Then, his ghost, looked up again and added "Take every interaction as far as it will go".

As chicken as I am, SHE opened ME so I reluctantly agreed I had to hit on her tiny lard-free body. Standing there talking seemed to be awkward, so I offered to walk along with her on the way back to campus. Roosh's ghost followed, he too, feeling he had to at least try to coach this blundering student.

"You've got to kino to break the ice!" he screamed in my ear so loudly I'm surprised the sea of undergrads around me weren't startled. A few minutes, we stopped walking, and while we made final arrangements for meeting later rested my hand on top of her shoulder lightly. It felt like a good kino, slow, relaxed, not too blatant like grabbing her ass in front of 300 other undergrads.

Now this is important-- I actually liked her-- she was open, excited and naive, and I felt warm and protective towards her. So I felt my action was pretty congruent, and I doubt any other ruthless, impregnation-driven lecher had touched her in weeks, if ever in her life.

Also, I was delighted by her openness and non-bitchy, non-suspicious attitude, and to ward off Roosh's ghost I asked if she wanted to take a walk in a few days.

(She said already she had a meeting in an hour.)

"Of Course!" she almost burst out with a wide smile.
Are we still in America? I asked myself.

I got her to text me on the iPhone that her father, wealthy from selling stupid Americans plastic junk had bought her along with the 40-50K in cash he had to have to get her into USA with tuition and board pre-paid.

That night , I returned the text she had sent me, and her responses were immediate and congenial.

Am I still in America? I asked myself.

Wait, wait, all will not be surreal-dream perfect.

So, figuring I want to not be TOO available even though this girl was quite nice, I left her last text hanging and didn't contact the next day.

There are literally THOUSANDS of cute Asian chicks on campus and if the .15% of guys who approach didn't get around to her this week-the first week of classes-- I might have a chance to get my 35-years-younger flag.

Then a speck of reality hit-- I had invited her to the arboretum at the University, familiar due to being on campus but because all the MATRIXUNITS are glued to their eyephones no one goes to this beautiful, educational place with quiet benches.

Benches custom made for planting one on a chick YOUNG ENOUGH TO BE MY GRANDDAUGHTER, SUCKAH!! LOLOLLL

Anyway, she dropped the bomb " Can I bring my friends ( the fat one and the pimply one). "


I already tried forcing the issue with a naive girl in Ukraine and even though I was able to bully her into coming alone, she was in no way ready to bang, or even feel the slightest emotion for that matter, so since the question indicates a GCF guaranteed cluster fuck, I have determined to go, as Captain Ahab says in Moby Dick, "For Hatred' Sake" - who knows, maybe Fat Friend will upsell the cute one on me.

Despite the travesty, since I have shifted my goal from success, to success with accompanying hate, to chiefly hate, until now my goal is SIMPLY TO BE HATED as much as possible, I could not resist the unreality of the situation, as if two chubby FOB Chinese girls could protect her from the DEMON which she has encountered.

I texted back to the "Can I bring my friends?"
"Of course! We will have a fleet of four bicycles! No one can defeat us!"

I WANTED to ask "Do I have to kiss THEM, TOO?" but felt is was too far.

But then again, it is better to be a total idiot than to go halfway, and only appear strange.

[el mechanico]

What does all this mean? Tell her to come over and make some Vodka drinks if you shadow box around what you're trying to say in person as bad as you do here you're never going to get laid.

[Screwston]

Why would you need game? Shes Asian and youre white

[iknowexactly]

(09-25-2013 05:31 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

What does all this mean? Tell her to come over and make some Vodka drinks if you shadow box around what you're trying to say in person as bad as you do here you're never going to get laid.

It's one thing to ruin my fun, but what's really bad is RUINING MY FUN AND BEING RIGHT TOO.

Rememeber, I've still got your parole officer's number!!

But seriously, I'm convinced this chick has never kissed a guy, and she's too scared to go to the arboretum, you think she's going to for direct action leading to a drunken fuck-fest?

Not a rhetorical question, I AM the dumbest student in the class..

[iknowexactly]

(09-25-2013 05:38 PM)houston Wrote:  

Why would you need game? Shes Asian and youre white

I'm not the 6'3" blond BMOC. I'm 55 and look at least 45. It's the USA--BUT--she's FOB and there's some White God factor for now.
I did try to be really nice. Told her it was a delight to meet her. It was.

Nice is one component of calculated, push-pull American game, right?

I've just had it beaten into me how contemptible and weak being nice is considered in USA. Roosh put it incisively-- "Feminism killed the nice guy"

[AneroidOcean]

(09-25-2013 05:42 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I'm not the 6'3" blond BMOC. I'm 55 and look at least 45. It's the USA--BUT--she's FOB and there's some White God factor for now.
I did try to be really nice. Told her it was a delight to meet her. It was.

Nice is one component of calculated, push-pull American game, right?

I've just had it beaten into me how contemptible and weak being nice is considered in USA. Roosh put it incisively-- "Feminism killed the nice guy"

Jesus man, just tell her "no" in response to her asking if she can bring her friends. It's not mean but it's not nice, probably right where you should be.

[Courage Reborn]

Young girls who want to bring a friend is both a comfort thing, and an immaturity issue.

Text her, "you can, but we'll have more fun without them "

If she agrees, you're good. If she insists, you are dealing with a girl who was very sheltered/protected until now, and needs a lot more comfort. Probably a virgin. I would bet money on it.

[iknowexactly]

(09-25-2013 08:02 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

Young girls who want to bring a friend is both a comfort thing, and an immaturity issue.

Text her, "you can, but we'll have more fun without them "

If she agrees, you're good. If she insists, you are dealing with a girl who was very sheltered/protected until now, and needs a lot more comfort. Probably a virgin. I would bet money on it.

This is the best suggestion yet. Doesn't sound negative, and has a good chance of getting more information.

it is also my impression she's almost certainly a virgin. Just seemed so innocent and eager but scared at the same time.

Remember, I'm just playing a character here. All my posts are fictional.

[WestIndianArchie]

Unless you can pull/impress all of them, cancel it.

WIA

[RawGod]

Pretty standard for Asian girls to bring a friend or two on the first date.

Sometimes I have allowed them, and eventually banged. Sometimes I don't allow it, and it screens them out somewhat.

Problem is, it's a scarcity issue. You feel like you won't have the chance to repeat this situation 10 times and learn how to play it.

Chances are you won't end up banging this time, whether you meet her with friends or alone. Try anyway, then do it again with a bunch of other cute young Chinese girls, now that you know that some of them don't see you as just an old man.

[Zampano]

(09-25-2013 11:04 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

Pretty standard for Asian girls to bring a friend or two on the first date.

Sometimes I have allowed them, and eventually banged. Sometimes I don't allow it, and it screens them out somewhat.

Problem is, it's a scarcity issue. You feel like you won't have the chance to repeat this situation 10 times and learn how to play it.

Chances are you won't end up banging this time, whether you meet her with friends or alone. Try anyway, then do it again with a bunch of other cute young Chinese girls, now that you know that some of them don't see you as just an old man.

This. Learning to win over a girl's friends is a skill set of its own that is well worth mastering. I had a girl surprise me with a group hangout when I expected to just meet up with her. I ignored her all night and built incredible rapport with her girlfriends and the chodes that they brought along. Completely ignored her.

We had sex all night afterward.

[Kabal]

(09-25-2013 09:56 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Unless you can pull/impress all of them, cancel it.

WIA

Even if you could impress all of them, I'd automatically say "no" to bringing friends--as it introduces a needless source of variables.

"I'm so glad I said 'yes' to her bringing her friends," said no one ever.

[pitt]

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-24846.html

[el mechanico]

(09-25-2013 05:39 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(09-25-2013 05:31 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

What does all this mean? Tell her to come over and make some Vodka drinks if you shadow box around what you're trying to say in person as bad as you do here you're never going to get laid.

It's one thing to ruin my fun, but what's really bad is RUINING MY FUN AND BEING RIGHT TOO.

Rememeber, I've still got your parole officer's number!!

But seriously, I'm convinced this chick has never kissed a guy, and she's too scared to go to the arboretum, you think she's going to for direct action leading to a drunken fuck-fest?

Not a rhetorical question, I AM the dumbest student in the class..

What exactly are you afraid of? At your age you should have balls of steel.

You need to assume from now on every chick wants to fuck you and you just need to set it up.

[Giovonny]

(09-25-2013 05:19 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Stranger than fiction.

Based on my experience, this is not strange or uncommon..

Young Asian girls are down to date older White guys. Especially, if they are fresh off the boat.

This is a fantasy for them, a fetish.

It might sound crazy that a 19yo girl would be into a 55yo man but in my experience, it's not crazy at all, its normal.

(09-25-2013 05:19 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

she dropped the bomb "Can I bring my friends?"

So, she wants to bring her friends!

I don't think its a big deal.

This is normal for young girls. They want the comfort and security. She just wants to confirm that you a a normal, well adjusted, gentleman. Look at is like an investment. If you invest a few hours with her and her friend(s), you could be banging her on the 2nd or 3rd date.

Wouldn't this be a nice return on your investment?

Do you really want to throw away a chance with a 19yo just because she wants to bring a friend?

A teenage girl bringing a friend should not be a deal breaker or a reason to cancel the date.

I mean, getting her alone would obviously be better, but, if you are a 55yo man out on a date with 2 teenage girls, you can really learn a lot about how these girls think. It will be an educational experience and do a lot to advance your understanding of how to game these girls.

My opinion is that it's worth it to hang out with her and a friend. I have done this before. If the date goes well and the 3 of you have a good time, you will have a chance to bang on the 2nd or 3rd date.

Don't look at the friend as a cockblocker, look at her as helper who will assist you in making the target girl more comfortable.

Game them both, charm them both. Get them both laughing and talking.

Honestly, since you are 55 and she is 19 and you are White American and she is a Chinese FOB, she will assume that you are superior to her. Act superior. Display your knowledge of art, music, history, science, etc. Find out her intellectual interests and discuss them. Surely, you are more educated and cultured in whatever subjects she is into.

If she wants a White God, give her a White God!

Take her and her friend out to dinner. Wow them with your White God knowledge and Culture. Dress well and speak well. Be the White God!

The first date is just about establishing comfort. After that, you can try to get her alone.

Sometimes, a bang requires 2, 3, or 4 dates. Sometimes we must have a little patience.

I would limit it to only 1 friend. More than that will complicate things too much.

[iknowexactly]

I appreciate the input both pro-cancelling and pro-comfort building. You guys wrote some long posts!

Good psych analysis on the comfort-building too, but if she come off like a really nervous 12-year old ( of course she was legal age in reality) I'm just too pessimistic.

I cancelled, because the thought of hanging out with three twittering FOB chicks, only one of whom has a personality at all, was exhausting just to think about.

I told her group socializing is boring because people don't have serious conversations. But it looked worse than if I dismissed her idea immediately when she asked about it.

Another factor I didn't mention is she started "asking questions" (which was really resistance to meeting.) as soon as I told her when and where to meet. I

"Can I be home at 6, I always eat dinner with my friends."

The other two, whom I saw when she opened me, were the most tedious, fixated on money, dour, fat and pimply chicks you could imagine and you could see their jealousy although they were polite when they left me with her.

I'm just too old to put in a lot of time to someone who I don't realistically see as becoming a reliable FB. If she was little more
mature and eager.

I don't want to spend hours doing what I don't want to do.

I wonder if there's a way to forestall the bringing friends crap before she tries it. Humorously bring up, "How exciting, we're going for a ride with just the two of us?!"

I still like "Do I have to kiss them too?" or "Do you want them to see you kissing me?" -- If she's truly shocked, then you could write her off right away....

[carouge]

You cancelled the whole thing? I think you should still go for it with this girl.What a good opportunity with the age thing and all.She is obviously interested.I say you have nothing to lose.Maybe thinking about it too much? Please go for it.At 55 I hope I'm able to do what you're doing.So make it happen and report back if you don't mind.Man Gio what a great motivator you are.Good post.

[iknowexactly]

(09-26-2013 08:40 PM)carouge Wrote:  

You cancelled the whole thing? I think you should still go for it with this girl.What a good opportunity with the age thing and all.She is obviously interested.I say you have nothing to lose.Maybe thinking about it too much? Please go for it.At 55 I hope I'm able to do what you're doing.So make it happen and report back if you don't mind.Man Gio what a great motivator you are.Good post.

Haha, sorry, thanks for the encouragement-- But I already blew her off, and of course now she can't contact me because I guess she lost face with her friends.

Retrospectively, I should have tried to get a makeout first time I met her, then I could have been more blunt with her.

The thing is once you're my age, the absolutely ONLY thing that's interesting about a chick under 23 is her sexuality and any willingness to cook, clean nurture etc.
If you have to spend significant time chasing it's excruciating, there is not one thought in her brain that is interesting in the least.

[carouge]

Oh and you mentioned that you dont want to spend hours doing what you don't want to.Then don't. Lead the way and invite her along to whatever it is that you want to do.It could be something tailored for her or just an invite to tag along with something you're already doing.Casually invite her.Maybe tell her you want to cook an American meal for her at yours.sorry if I'm preaching to the choir.Just mentioning all this in case,so please excuse me .I hope I'm not telling Tiger how to hit golf balls,don't want to offend a pro.Cheers

[carouge]

Ok Wrote that before I saw you're last post

[iknowexactly]

(09-26-2013 09:00 PM)carouge Wrote:  

.Casually invite her.Maybe tell her you want to cook an American meal for her at yours.sorry if I'm preaching to the choir.Just mentioning all this in case,so please excuse me .I hope I'm not telling Tiger how to hit golf balls,don't want to offend a pro.Cheers

I'm not a pro, I have a lot of weaknesses number closing, escalating despite amazing amounts of IOIs for my age. I have used sunscreen pretty religiously since about 20, and I am sure am glad now.

I appreciate your suggestion, she emailed back thanking me anyway despite my canceling, I think I'll try to invite her to a restaurant dinner somehow making clear it's HER I'm inviting. Maybe she's got the hint now not to ask about bringing her tank-shaped friends.

I did that when I cancelled, I said it was HER that I found energetic and interesting, without saying anything negative about her friends, so maybe I haven't totally burnt things.

We'll see.

[iknowexactly]

Interesting development. 19 Year old texting apologizing for asking to bring her friends. I had explained that "in American culture, tyring to bring friends means
the person really does not want to meet". Is that true? Sort of. I told her I liked her and we should have lunch. She won't try to bring the friends this time.

I read up on Chinese dating practices and I can see how this works. Supposedly friends bring the two possible lovebirds together in a meeting of 6-8 and seat them a few seats apart so no one loses face if the two don't hit it off. Making it to a third date is supposedly practically engaged.

Here's an interesting article about why China sucks for Westerners from an older guy that got sick of it.

http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/why-i...-years.htm

[Giovonny]

(09-26-2013 08:47 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I already blew her off

What! Why?!?

Just because she wanted to bring a friend on the first date!?!

I know, I know, it's about "return on investment". You don't think this girl would become a "f*ckbuddy".

You have to make that analysis and decision.

But, I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion???

Is it just because she wanted to bring a friend along for that first date? That doesn't seem like a deal breaker to me..

That said, you know what you want and you know what you don't want. If this doesn't seem worth it to you then more power to you. I will just say that the only way to bang 19 year olds is to approach a lot of them and go on dates with a lot of them. There is always some degree of "upfront investment" on our part.

I definitely try to limit my up front investment by doing dates on my terms and on my time schedule only. This doesn't always work and I often have to sacrifice but for me its worth it.

There is really nothing like 18/19 p*ssy.

I recommened that you do as much as possible on YOUR TERMS.

I know, its much easier said then done but this experience could be very educational for you.

Even if you don't bang this 19yo, the experience of trying to could lead you to a level of understanding and confidence that will allow you to bang the next 19yo you talk to.

These are just a few thoughts that I had.. Take them with a grain of salt..

EDIT:

(09-27-2013 03:13 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Interesting development. 19 Year old texting apologizing for asking to bring her friends.

See!

You are the White God! You are superior to her!

You can still get it done with her.

I know Chinese dating customs can be weird.

I hope you go for it. Good luck.

[iknowexactly]

(09-27-2013 03:43 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 08:47 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I already blew her off

What! Why?!?

Just because she wanted to bring a friend on the first date!?!
.....

There is really nothing like 18/19 p*ssy.

I recommened that you do as much as possible on YOUR TERMS.

You're right, the background problem is my energy/positivity has plummeted in the last two weeks, I was on a super high all summer.

I'm pretty sure I get Seasonal Affective Disorder, I've noticed the beginning of every October suddenly feel much worse.
I'm fighting back well though with St. John's Wort and Anti-Depression lights in the morning

I want to get into the state you've described where approaching is just routine, with pretty distant detachment from results.

I did great over the summer, lost about 12 lbs of fat, 5'9" down to 180 from 190. I don't look clearly fat now, at 170 I'll look lean.

I'm ready for it this year, I just didn't have the energy to do the groundwork as you correctly recommend.

I'm fighting back pretty well, just cold opened a American-Bulgarian 6.5 at Trader Joes. Outside at the bike rack is great. It takes them at least 30 seconds to unlock their bike, pack their stuff and get going, and the fact you're at Trader Joe's with a bike gets you a few cultural similarity points.

She was short, sexy, dark maybe 23 with an Aegean patterned dress.

Me: Are you Greek?
Her: (Fairly genial) No, Bulgarian
Me: Really? Pure?
Her: Yes.
Me: Are you first generation--- your parents came over?
Her: Yes, we came over ...
Me: Any culture clash?
Her: No
Me: That's good, are your parents educated?
Her: Of course. They have the highest degrees you can get.

We started riding, we were both ready to go and it just seemed natural

Me: Oh, that helps, I'm the first on ein my family to go to college. More educated people are similar across cultures. Someone with a doctorate from Bulgaria has more in common with an American with a doctorate than they would with a laborer in Bulgaria

He: Yes
We were coming to an intersection. I felt she was friendly but no real mutual attraction.

me: Nice talking to you.

First generation immigrants are usually noticeable less suspicious than American girls. Too many episodes of CSI here.

[Giovonny]

(09-27-2013 04:00 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

my energy/positivity has plummeted in the last two weeks

Now, we are getting to the roots of the situation.

Get your rest.

(09-27-2013 04:00 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Anti-Depression lights in the morning

What are "anti-depression lights?"

(09-27-2013 04:00 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I want to get into the state you've described where approaching is just routine, with pretty distant detachment from results.

DETACHMENT is the key word.

You should have no emotional attachment to the outcome of an approach or a date. This is a game. Enjoy it.

(09-27-2013 04:00 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I just didn't have the energy to do the groundwork as you correctly recommend.

I also get low energy sometimes. Rest is the only answer.

(09-27-2013 04:00 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I'm fighting back pretty well, just cold opened a American-Bulgarian 6.5 at Trader Joes.

Keep it up!

Tell that Chinese girl to come over to your place for a bottle of wine. You pick the time and day. Everything on your terms. Or, next time you are going out to eat, invite her.

I don't know, I just like to talk about the process of banging college girls. I enjoy your posts and I'm just offering my opinion.

There is no right or wrong. Just take care of yourself and get back to 100% health and vitality! Thats the main thing!