[Brodiaga]

(01-03-2015 07:39 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Your sample set is 2?

In the US, yes, because I normally just invite girls to one of the bars nearby. But I need to increase that sample size this year. Last year, I lost too many opportunities when I got phone numbers from OKC or whatever, but then was too lazy to go out for drinks with these girls. Instead, I should have just invited them to my place.

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-04-2015 12:24 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

November + December:
41 new numbers
15 meetups (either she came over or we did a first date)
6 new bangs (4 zero dates, 1 first date, 1 SNL)

I'd like to point out that this is better than most people running Day Game or Cold Approach Night Game 100% of the time.

WIA

[wagmydog]

I want to like this approach but my logistics are not condusive for it - live in suburbs and hang out / meet people in city center. Nor would I necessarily want my ONS's to know where I live. (edit: I usually take them to a hotel or we go to her place if she lives alone)
So here's my question - how would you - or could you - reframe this so you invite yourself for a drink at her place?

[Brodiaga]

(01-04-2015 01:38 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 12:24 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

November + December:
41 new numbers
15 meetups (either she came over or we did a first date)
6 new bangs (4 zero dates, 1 first date, 1 SNL)

I'd like to point out that this is better than most people running Day Game or Cold Approach Night Game 100% of the time.

WIA

This is also a realistic conversion rate for a large city (NYC or similar) where people have a lot of options. I believe these numbers a lot more than when somebody claims that almost all his dates result in SNL.

This conversion rate is also the reason why guys should invest as little as possible in dates. Definitely no dinners or even expensive drinks. Zero date bangs are a great way to minimize cost per date given how flakey girls are these days.

Is there a good way to improve "we banged/girl came to my place" rate? I find it difficult to improve and it's frustrating when a girl comes over but then just decides to bounce at some point when I try to escalate. I wonder if it just goes with the territory when you run date 1 or date 0 bang recipes? For example, according to experienced daygamers like Krauser, the "bang/approach" rate is in the mid/low single digits even for the best daygamers in the world unless they "date down" significantly in terms of looks. I wonder if a similar (though higher) natural ceiling exists for the "bang/come to my place" rate as well.

[Giovonny]

(01-01-2014 09:18 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

invite her over!

This is the gist of the whole thread.

'Inviting a girl over is better than inviting her "out" on a date'

I agree.

Just like BlurredSevens, I learned this through trial and error.

(01-01-2014 09:18 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

We all know this. Yet we don't preach it.

I preach it.

"Just invite her over to your house"

Pickup Economics

First Date Suggestions

[Giovonny]

(01-03-2015 04:50 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

isn't it better to talk on the phone

Like others have said, it depends on your skill set..

If you are a good speaker, maybe you should call.

If you are not a good speaker, maybe you should text.

Also, it depends on the "chemistry" between you and her. If the chemistry is strong and sexual, you may sense that a phone call is appropriate.

And, it depends on her preferred channel of communication.

(01-03-2015 04:50 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

The consensus on RVF seems to be that texting should be kept to a bare minimum

I do not agree with this..

I believe that:

"Texting is now an Emotional Medium"

Quote:

I used to avoid text conversations. Now, that concept seems boring. If she is opening up to me over text, why would I stop that momentum? I will take that momentum as far as I can and while I'm doing it, in the back of my mind, I am always guiding the interaction towards a physical meet up.

(01-03-2015 05:18 PM)redbeard Wrote:  

Would you suggest calling in order to increase connection?

I do think calling is often a good idea.

It all depends on the situation.

In the case of an online girl, I would probably try to call and chat with her.

(01-04-2015 01:18 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

lifestyle bankroll is between $6,000 - $10,000 dollars a month.

Our financial situation is always a factor.

(01-04-2015 01:35 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

I was too lazy to go out for drinks with these girls. Instead, I should have just invited them to my place.

Yup.

(01-04-2015 02:22 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

Is there a good way to improve "we banged/girl came to my place" rate?

- Make yourself make attractive (grooming, physique, fashion, sleep, etc.)

- Improve your overall Game (confidence, vibe, speaking skills, flirtation skills, in home date game, smooth escalation skills, closing skills, etc.)

- Go after easier women

- Alcohol

[memcpy]

I'm surprised no one mentioned Paul Janka. "Zero date bangs" were what he was known for and this was a long time ago. I still prefer Tuthmosis's Recipe for first date bangs. Zero date bangs are a good way to screen for dtf girls and are good if you approach(lots) and get lots of numbers. If you are someone who only does like 2 approaches a day(or less) then I would stick with tuth's recipe. Both are useful tools to have.

[casio]

I agree. Inviting girls over to have dinner has been my main strategy in 2014 and it worked wonders. Having good text game makes it a lot easier. I always try to emotionally lure them into my world - for this I have some pictures that have fun stories attached ready on my iphone (for texting through whatsapp).

[Vienna]

Thoughts on suggesting meeting at the girl's house? I've had success once so far with a girl I'd never met beforehand (Tinder girl, 7, long text game prior to bang). Gonna try this on an 8 now:

"how about we share a bottle of wine this week? which evenings are you free "

If she's positive, assume the sale:

"great, let's meet at your place at (TIME) then"

Will report back. Still green in the game, started getting serious this summer.

[casio]

(01-18-2015 03:52 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  

Thoughts on suggesting meeting at the girl's house?

It works. I prefer own house because I can tell a lot of interesting stories about it. Also because some of the girls i date don't have their own place.

But i've done the "at their place" thing a few times and it works. Still prefer it over a bar.

[CactusCat589]

Paul Janka's come up twice in this thread. I'll note that his Zero Date Bang model isn't really Zero Date Bang - he goes up to a woman and invites her back in the same cold approach. He's openly asking her if she wants to go back to his apartment a few minutes after saying hi.

Blurred's model still involves the cold approach, building rapport, etc. It's not a Hail Mary pass from the other end of the field. It's just the 'date' takes place at home and feels informal.

I like how it feels more spontaneous right off the bat. It's hard to make dates feel spontaneous until you leave the venue, then you have the freedom to walk around and say "Oh hey let's go over there and check that out". It plays into the female desire for fantasy and being swept up romantically.

[sinnerman]

Just tried this last weekend. Invited a girl over for lunch (sounds more safe and casual than dinner).
She kept pushing for meetup at a restaurant and I insisted that I dont meet at restaurants as its too formal.
I made her a bet that I'll cook her a meal and if its good she has to watch a movie with me.
She bought it. Came over.. I poured her some wine cheese strawberries..Made a pasta dish and she loved it..
We move to bed and start a movie...30 minutes I go for the kiss..Turns out she's a virgin and deflects..
I try again after 15 minutes this time she cannot get enough of me.
To cut to the chase I got the notch !

The beauty of this method lies in its simplicity. The whole extraction game is eliminated. Its like finding cheat code.

[Brodiaga]

^Good move inviting a girl over for lunch. I like afternoon dates on weekends. I'm stealing this.

[Roardog]

(01-19-2015 02:13 AM)sinnerman Wrote:  

Just tried this last weekend. Invited a girl over for lunch (sounds more safe and casual than dinner).
She kept pushing for meetup at a restaurant and I insisted that I dont meet at restaurants as its too formal.
I made her a bet that I'll cook her a meal and if its good she has to watch a movie with me.
She bought it. Came over.. I poured her some wine cheese strawberries..Made a pasta dish and she loved it..
We move to bed and start a movie...30 minutes I go for the kiss..Turns out she's a virgin and deflects..
I try again after 15 minutes this time she cannot get enough of me.
To cut to the chase I got the notch !

The beauty of this method lies in its simplicity. The whole extraction game is eliminated. Its like finding cheat code.

Top work.

I really need to try this but it's hard when you have house mates. Fortunately I have my place to myself for the next 3 weeks as my house mates are overseas so I'm going to line up as many girls as I can and give this and Tuth's First Date Bang a go.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

(01-19-2015 02:13 AM)sinnerman Wrote:  

Just tried this last weekend. Invited a girl over for lunch (sounds more safe and casual than dinner).
She kept pushing for meetup at a restaurant and I insisted that I dont meet at restaurants as its too formal.
I made her a bet that I'll cook her a meal and if its good she has to watch a movie with me.
She bought it. Came over.. I poured her some wine cheese strawberries..Made a pasta dish and she loved it..
We move to bed and start a movie...30 minutes I go for the kiss..Turns out she's a virgin and deflects..
I try again after 15 minutes this time she cannot get enough of me.
To cut to the chase I got the notch !

The beauty of this method lies in its simplicity. The whole extraction game is eliminated. Its like finding cheat code.

Changing the time of day is a smooth player mood

Works to lower her defenses too, nothing like some afternoon sex to brighten up the rest of the day

Women have been taught that the only thing open at 2am is 7-11 and a pair of legs, but getting them over to your flat during daylight can totally swing the pendulum in your favor

[Giovonny]

(01-19-2015 10:24 AM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

afternoon dates on weekends.

(01-20-2015 01:18 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  

afternoon sex

Sex in the afternoon?

That is a big part of my lifestyle:

"The Saturday/Sunday Morning Bang"

I learned from a stripper.

[AneroidOcean]

(01-20-2015 01:28 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Sex in the afternoon?

That is a big part of my lifestyle:

"The Saturday/Sunday Morning Bang"

I learned from a stripper.

There's no better way to start the day than morning sex (other than maybe being woken up to a blow job). That soft light hitting her combined with morning wood = perfect. Most of the girls that I've dated who I've fucked in the morning think about it all day long. Even more so if I fucked them well enough to make them orgasm.

I haven't found exercise that's more fun, either.

[sinnerman]

(01-19-2015 05:20 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(01-19-2015 02:13 AM)sinnerman Wrote:  

Just tried this last weekend. Invited a girl over for lunch (sounds more safe and casual than dinner).
She kept pushing for meetup at a restaurant and I insisted that I dont meet at restaurants as its too formal.
I made her a bet that I'll cook her a meal and if its good she has to watch a movie with me.
She bought it. Came over.. I poured her some wine cheese strawberries..Made a pasta dish and she loved it..
We move to bed and start a movie...30 minutes I go for the kiss..Turns out she's a virgin and deflects..
I try again after 15 minutes this time she cannot get enough of me.
To cut to the chase I got the notch !

The beauty of this method lies in its simplicity. The whole extraction game is eliminated. Its like finding cheat code.

Top work.

I really need to try this but it's hard when you have house mates. Fortunately I have my place to myself for the next 3 weeks as my house mates are overseas so I'm going to line up as many girls as I can and give this and Tuth's First Date Bang a go.

Goodluck. When she's at your place try to set the mood. Have a scented candle around and play smooth lounge music from jazzradio.com.
It doesn't matter if your place is fancy or not..Just create that bubble and let the magic happen.

[sinnerman]

Afternoon sex is definitely the best..I feel I'm more energetic and awake. Plus the feeling is so great knowing that the whole world is out there planning and plotting their night moves while you're already wrapped in your blanket with a sexy girl.

[Roardog]

(01-21-2015 12:25 PM)sinnerman Wrote:  

(01-19-2015 05:20 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(01-19-2015 02:13 AM)sinnerman Wrote:  

Just tried this last weekend. Invited a girl over for lunch (sounds more safe and casual than dinner).
She kept pushing for meetup at a restaurant and I insisted that I dont meet at restaurants as its too formal.
I made her a bet that I'll cook her a meal and if its good she has to watch a movie with me.
She bought it. Came over.. I poured her some wine cheese strawberries..Made a pasta dish and she loved it..
We move to bed and start a movie...30 minutes I go for the kiss..Turns out she's a virgin and deflects..
I try again after 15 minutes this time she cannot get enough of me.
To cut to the chase I got the notch !

The beauty of this method lies in its simplicity. The whole extraction game is eliminated. Its like finding cheat code.

Top work.

I really need to try this but it's hard when you have house mates. Fortunately I have my place to myself for the next 3 weeks as my house mates are overseas so I'm going to line up as many girls as I can and give this and Tuth's First Date Bang a go.

Goodluck. When she's at your place try to set the mood. Have a scented candle around and play smooth lounge music from jazzradio.com.
It doesn't matter if your place is fancy or not..Just create that bubble and let the magic happen.

Cheers, I better go and buy a scented candle.

[the high]

(01-20-2015 01:18 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  

(01-19-2015 02:13 AM)sinnerman Wrote:  

Just tried this last weekend. Invited a girl over for lunch (sounds more safe and casual than dinner).
She kept pushing for meetup at a restaurant and I insisted that I dont meet at restaurants as its too formal.
I made her a bet that I'll cook her a meal and if its good she has to watch a movie with me.
She bought it. Came over.. I poured her some wine cheese strawberries..Made a pasta dish and she loved it..
We move to bed and start a movie...30 minutes I go for the kiss..Turns out she's a virgin and deflects..
I try again after 15 minutes this time she cannot get enough of me.
To cut to the chase I got the notch !

The beauty of this method lies in its simplicity. The whole extraction game is eliminated. Its like finding cheat code.

Changing the time of day is a smooth player mood

Works to lower her defenses too, nothing like some afternoon sex to brighten up the rest of the day

Women have been taught that the only thing open at 2am is 7-11 and a pair of legs, but getting them over to your flat during daylight can totally swing the pendulum in your favor

"Gonna find my baby, gonna hold her tight
Gonna grab some afternoon delight
My motto's always been; when it's right, it's right
Why wait until the middle of a cold dark night
When everything's a little clearer in the light of day
And we know the night is always gonna be there any way"

[Travesty]

Took me a bit to let this all sink in but this really is the BEST path for a guy that looks 30 or younger in photographs and is a 7+ in looks to operate going after 18-23yo chicks.

You save money and time. Night game otherwise for fun.

You have from 35 onward to master day game.

Get ripped and get those professional and cool photos. A ride this easy won't last you will be forced out with age.

[Libertas]

Anyone have some procedures on how to do this over at the girl's place instead? My logistics are a bit off to fully employ this recipe.

[CleanSlate]

Seeing this post is 2 years old, but I love it. At the same time, I don't want to run everything at my place only... I do like going out to different places. Right now I'm doing some recon in my neighborhood to see what are good bars and lounges for dates, and for meeting girls.

If a girl says she rather meet in public, why not just name a place near where you live and say meet me there at X time? or like another poster said, meet at your place first, then go somewhere else and maybe bring her back. I just wouldn't go to fancy places and blow $200 on a first date that may not pan out.

My point being I don't have a problem meeting in public places first. My logistics are very good in a car-centric city where I live.

[Vienna]

(01-29-2015 12:11 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

Anyone have some procedures on how to do this over at the girl's place instead? My logistics are a bit off to fully employ this recipe.

What's been working for me is to tease and build comfort/trust over text and then simply hit her with a variation of this: "So I have a bottle of red wine that I'm itching to try. How about we do vino at 8 pm, your place " No question mark.

You should suss out if she likes white or red beforehand. Some girls balk or don't reply (let the convo die and wait until she restarts) and some girls bite.