[Shadowarrior]

Little bit about her: Russian; 25; 6-7 in the attractiveness scale; half-Asian, half-white; been in America for few years. First date, we go to this East African restaurant. I know this is not the orthodox move, but the last couple of times I set up the bar as the first date with other women, I immediately got this vibe that they knew I was going in for the bang. Fortunately, this girl was a good girl and paid for half of the lunch even though I insisted I would pay. Talked for like two hours. Later, we got a drink at a bar next door. She was conscious of any kind of kino, so there was not much escalation.

Second date, we get drinks at a nice whiskey bar. Talk for like two hours. She seems to open up more physically(due to the whiskey and the comfortable vibe I am giving), and I am able to use more touching on her arms, legs and hips. Later, when walking to her car, I go in for the kiss, and she pulls back. I react by saying, "Okay...have a good night," and I walk away.

What happened here? The conversation went well, but she seemed a little uncomfortable with my touching her. From my interaction and conversation with her, she doesn't seem like the typical European party girl. She says she came from a small town in Russia, and here, she likes more outdoor activities than clubbing or drinking. Anyway, I pushed as far as I could, and I didn't even get a kiss. WTF.

[choichoi]

Sounds like she just needs a 2nd or 3rd date. A lot of the guys here seem to point out Russian women typically don't do first date bangs although I'm not sure about how that translates to kissing. I don't speak from experience of course so it's all pure speculation. Good luck on the next one

[Wayout]

Proceed as she is American. She paid for herself,she automatically lost her Russian citizenship!
She has inversted in you at least 4 hours from what I understand. That means she is interested in you. She even went on a drinking date while she admits she doesn't even like drinking.
She needs more time and that's not unusual for any nationality. Take it slow with her but keep escalating a bit more every time. Try to find out if she might be a virgin - that would explain a lot.

[Shadowarrior]

(09-24-2013 12:44 AM)Wayout Wrote:  

Proceed as she is American. She paid for herself,she automatically lost her Russian citizenship!
She has inversted in you at least 4 hours from what I understand. That means she is interested in you. She even went on a drinking date while she admits she doesn't even like drinking.
She needs more time and that's not unusual for any nationality. Take it slow with her but keep escalating a bit more every time. Try to find out if she might be a virgin - that would explain a lot.

How do you find out something like that? What is the best way to ask?

[Virtus]

half asian Russian means likely Kazakh, Turkmen, Uzbek or parents from any other stan. least she's half Korean. Chance she's a Muslim. but don't worry too much. Russians, especially when fronting to foreigners that they are a good girl type may take a bit longer to warm up in order to avoid a Russian whore stereotype. you do must get through kino. If still not there right away then go for a walk, offer your arm for her to hold, ala gentleman that you are. slide down into a hand holding, progress to hand caressing. if she is not caressing back then she is not interested. this is 60yearsofchallenge hand caress test

[eradicator]

(09-24-2013 01:06 AM)Shadowarrior Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 12:44 AM)Wayout Wrote:  

She needs more time and that's not unusual for any nationality. Take it slow with her but keep escalating a bit more every time. Try to find out if she might be a virgin - that would explain a lot.

How do you find out something like that? What is the best way to ask?

"What's your favorite sexual position?"

I probably would not ask this too early on, but if she is grinding on you a lot and you escalate to make outs, you might ask something like that.

If you have build up enough attraction with her, she will be open to talking about sex. At this point she may say "I have never had sex" or "I like doggie because the guy and drive nice and deep" or "I like the sensation whan i have one of my legs over one of his shoulders, not both, because it feels really good".

Then you can try and give her what she wants.

You can flat out tell her "I want more of a physical relationship if we are going to keep going on dates."

[Shadowarrior]

well, she just texted me yesterday saying,"I don't think we have same purposes of hanging out...Sorry." To me, this means I guess she just wanted to be friends with me. Or she was looking for a relationship, and I was too transparent about banging her.

[Ternarydemonite]

She may be playing hard, or she may be trying to friendzone you. Try again, not more than three dates, and limit your investment in time and money to a minimum, while mantaining tight logistics. If you cant f-close, then just next her. If she has hot single friends, you may even try to purposely friendzone yourself.