Disclaimer: I tried typing a number of different iterations of "Vietnamese", "coffee" and "coffee shop" and didn't see anything that was relatable, so I think this is pretty fresh knowledge. *Looking at you, ThomastheRymer*
And because pictures are worth a thousand words:
This data sheet is aimed mostly for the guys who are in Southern California, particularly in North Orange County and the surrounding areas. There's a particular type of Vietnamese style coffee shop in the Garden Grove and Westminster area of OC where girls serve coffee in extremely skimpy clothing. We are talking about tiny bikinis, lingerie and up to a few years ago, pasties and body paint. Unfortunately, that seems to have gone over the line and after a few Vice raids, they've kept the status quo at micro-bikinis and undies.
None of these places serve alcohol, they are all cash-only, don't serve any food and they invariably have 10-20 TV's blaring throughout the store showing any number of sports games from football to soccer. But the main draw of these coffee shops are the hot bitches that serve you coffee, tea and smoothies. The drinks run you anywhere from $5-$8 which when you think about the comparable cost to a high end cafe is actually quite reasonable. The girls also set everyone at the table up with complimentary glasses of iced green tea. They then periodically come by to refill your iced tea which adds the veneer of legitimacy when you stare at her tits as she bends over to refill your glass... also good for plausible deniability when you check out her ass as she walks away from your table.
Anecdotal Experience:
I live in West LA, and it's a slog getting down to Garbage Grove so it's been at least a few years since I've been but I went with some of my Viet/Chinese friends yesterday to Cafe Lu. Got there kind of at a weird time to watch the Stanford/ASU game and there were two girls working. First one was a rock solid 8 wearing the skimpiest teddy I've ever seen: 20 year old Viet girl, really cute face, very perky real tits and a crazy round ass and a 2 inch box gap. The other girl working I later found out was a hapa, probably closer to a 7 because she was late 20's, and had some really unfortunate tattoos.
It wasn't too busy, so the cute one came around, took our orders and then sat down to talk with us for 10 minute intervals in between running drinks and busing tables. Ran a hybrid of "the most interesting man in the world" game and "stripper game" (detached, leaning back, not showing much interest like deliberately watching TV while she talked) while my buddies and everyone else in there were leaning in, smiling way too much, paying attention, complimenting her on her looks, etc.
After a few back and forth chats, I really hooked her interest talking about flying 15 times a year, having business partners in Asia, taking fun vacations around the world: all true. She countered by saying that she's only been on a plane once and it was 2 months ago on a flight to SF. I was internally freaking out thinking that there really are sheltered-ass people like this in SoCal, but I saw she was really interested in traveling so I got her number.
As she's putting it in my phone, she giggled, "I don't know if my boyfriend will like this" and I made some snide remark. However, to hedge my bet, I joked, "Don't you know I'm the OG chino member from MS13? What set is your bf from? FMS, VTF?" "Viet Crips" she responds... Shiet, man...
After having taken a serious beating from 10 Vietnamese guys in Melbourne for inadvertently cavemanning one of their cousins at the club, I am extremely wary of messing with SEA thugs. What they lack in size, they more than compensate in locust-like swarm tactics, ruthlessness and a general disregard for the sanctity of human life. My Aussie friends still tell me I'm lucky I didn't get shanked and walked away with a few bruised ribs and a concussion. (Un)luckily, I dabbled in long distance running at the time, so I think they were sufficiently winded by the time they caught me 15 blocks from the club to really stomp my head and torso area with maximal efficiency. Anyway, I think she could see how my face fell after the news, but her shift ended so I said I'd be in touch.
The other girl came around soon and she wasn't nearly as hot (or my type) so we just bullshitted about culinary school and music. Shifted my game to a more traditional "high energy" approach and got her number by saying that we should "really get our networks together and put on a 90's hip hop night at a club/bar". She was really open to the idea and kept on saying how we were so different from all of the other regular customers that come in. Stanford beat ASU shortly after so we left for dinner. Total bill was $15 for three Vietnamese coffees, unlimited iced green tea and 2.5 hours of watching the game. Tipped $7 for service well rendered.
Anyway, after that long-ass spiel, I see this as a potential goldmine for picking up sexy ass girls. The vast majority of the guys in there were dweeby looking dudes just ogling the girls. There were a few obvious gangsters in the corner: tats, cigarette burn marks, horrible fashion sense but not giving a fuck. Granted, you're not going to get anywhere in the venue (unlike a strip club where you're encouraged to touch them) but I think if you run with a small crew, play the right type of game and number close it's not hard to get them out. Plus, much like strippers they probably have really low self-esteem to exploit their bodies in such an apparent way, so it shouldn't be too hard to run psy-ops level game and get their hamsters spinning.
The inevitable elephant in the room is the gangster boyfriend cockblock, but I think as long as you build sufficient attraction and wait to pounce immediately after a breakup (or are super brave/nihilistic and don't give a fuck) then it shouldn't be too long of a wait. Probably a good idea to go to a few coffee shops to mix it up (there's at least 10 in that 2 mile area) so you can pipeline accordingly.
Additional bonus points if you're a really yoked/built dude: My cousin is the Asian version of Paulie D, complete with mohawk and huge muscles, and the guy just plows through these coffee shop chicks. Like most lower-class girls, I think they're inherently attracted to very obvious signs of power/alphaness. Here are some final thoughts and tips:
Logistics:
1. Go in small groups: It's part of their jobs to sit down and chat for awhile at each table. The easiest and most organic way of encouraging this is to have an empty seat at the table. Once she sits down, this is the opportunity to run game. No more than 3 is ideal.
2. Go at off-hours: Every Viet guy that I know is a degenerate sports gambler, so Sunday mornings during football season, any time the Lakers are playing or notable sporting events get big crowds. The girls will be too busy to sit down for more than a minute as they're just running drinks back and forth or refilling your ice tea. I watched the 2010 world cup finals at a coffee shop and there were at least 300 dudes inside a 3000 sq foot cafe, with 50 more milling around outside. Fire marshal came in with two GGPD officers during the overtime and cleared all those who weren't seated out which royally pissed off a lot of the old-timers. It's a good thing 5-0 carry guns too.
3. Tip generously, but don't be a chump: Girls are getting paid minimum $15/hr (am told the top tier girls get closer to $25/hr) but they obviously make most of their money from tips. That being said, I've seen guys tip $20 on $10 bills and at the same time, $2 tips on $50 bills from the middle aged Vietnamese guys straight off the boat. I think 25-30% gratuity seems reasonable for the inherent advantage of looking at their bodies without seeming like you're trying to buy their affection.
Pros:
- Obviously, sexy ass chicks wearing next to nothing
- Viet girls have the best bodies out of all Asians when it comes to pure sex appeal (Filipinas get a close second). By proxy, the non Vietnamese girls have to have comparable bodies to keep up. Granted, there are lots of fake tits, but come on, this is SoCal after all.
- Mostly simpy ass guys sitting around aka no competition at venue
- Very cost effective: Basically the poor man's (rather extremely destitute man's strip club)
Cons:
- Girls are largely thug chicks and have jealous Viet gangster boyfriends (You can talk tough all you want about how you're MMA heavyweight world champion, 7'2", 320lb, but against >5 guys coming at you with murderous intent with knives/guns I don't really see what you can do but run). "Maintaining frame" doesn't help much against guys who have Napoleon complexes and a "kill or be kill" mentality inculcated into them over generations of guerrilla warfare.
- Can't physically escalate the girls while they're working - also have to kind of compete with your homies to see who can lure her in the best
- This is just me personally, but I'm very sensitive to caffeine so I always get the jitters from the insanely strong Vietnamese style ca phe plus the green tea.
Any additional insight on this topic would be very appreciated. I'll be honest and say I haven't gotten a "coffee-shop flag" yet, but I think if I keep at it and avoid potentially life-threatening thug boyfriend cockblocks, it should happen sooner than later.
And because pictures are worth a thousand words:
This data sheet is aimed mostly for the guys who are in Southern California, particularly in North Orange County and the surrounding areas. There's a particular type of Vietnamese style coffee shop in the Garden Grove and Westminster area of OC where girls serve coffee in extremely skimpy clothing. We are talking about tiny bikinis, lingerie and up to a few years ago, pasties and body paint. Unfortunately, that seems to have gone over the line and after a few Vice raids, they've kept the status quo at micro-bikinis and undies.
None of these places serve alcohol, they are all cash-only, don't serve any food and they invariably have 10-20 TV's blaring throughout the store showing any number of sports games from football to soccer. But the main draw of these coffee shops are the hot bitches that serve you coffee, tea and smoothies. The drinks run you anywhere from $5-$8 which when you think about the comparable cost to a high end cafe is actually quite reasonable. The girls also set everyone at the table up with complimentary glasses of iced green tea. They then periodically come by to refill your iced tea which adds the veneer of legitimacy when you stare at her tits as she bends over to refill your glass... also good for plausible deniability when you check out her ass as she walks away from your table.
Anecdotal Experience:
I live in West LA, and it's a slog getting down to Garbage Grove so it's been at least a few years since I've been but I went with some of my Viet/Chinese friends yesterday to Cafe Lu. Got there kind of at a weird time to watch the Stanford/ASU game and there were two girls working. First one was a rock solid 8 wearing the skimpiest teddy I've ever seen: 20 year old Viet girl, really cute face, very perky real tits and a crazy round ass and a 2 inch box gap. The other girl working I later found out was a hapa, probably closer to a 7 because she was late 20's, and had some really unfortunate tattoos.
It wasn't too busy, so the cute one came around, took our orders and then sat down to talk with us for 10 minute intervals in between running drinks and busing tables. Ran a hybrid of "the most interesting man in the world" game and "stripper game" (detached, leaning back, not showing much interest like deliberately watching TV while she talked) while my buddies and everyone else in there were leaning in, smiling way too much, paying attention, complimenting her on her looks, etc.
After a few back and forth chats, I really hooked her interest talking about flying 15 times a year, having business partners in Asia, taking fun vacations around the world: all true. She countered by saying that she's only been on a plane once and it was 2 months ago on a flight to SF. I was internally freaking out thinking that there really are sheltered-ass people like this in SoCal, but I saw she was really interested in traveling so I got her number.
As she's putting it in my phone, she giggled, "I don't know if my boyfriend will like this" and I made some snide remark. However, to hedge my bet, I joked, "Don't you know I'm the OG chino member from MS13? What set is your bf from? FMS, VTF?" "Viet Crips" she responds... Shiet, man...
After having taken a serious beating from 10 Vietnamese guys in Melbourne for inadvertently cavemanning one of their cousins at the club, I am extremely wary of messing with SEA thugs. What they lack in size, they more than compensate in locust-like swarm tactics, ruthlessness and a general disregard for the sanctity of human life. My Aussie friends still tell me I'm lucky I didn't get shanked and walked away with a few bruised ribs and a concussion. (Un)luckily, I dabbled in long distance running at the time, so I think they were sufficiently winded by the time they caught me 15 blocks from the club to really stomp my head and torso area with maximal efficiency. Anyway, I think she could see how my face fell after the news, but her shift ended so I said I'd be in touch.
The other girl came around soon and she wasn't nearly as hot (or my type) so we just bullshitted about culinary school and music. Shifted my game to a more traditional "high energy" approach and got her number by saying that we should "really get our networks together and put on a 90's hip hop night at a club/bar". She was really open to the idea and kept on saying how we were so different from all of the other regular customers that come in. Stanford beat ASU shortly after so we left for dinner. Total bill was $15 for three Vietnamese coffees, unlimited iced green tea and 2.5 hours of watching the game. Tipped $7 for service well rendered.
Anyway, after that long-ass spiel, I see this as a potential goldmine for picking up sexy ass girls. The vast majority of the guys in there were dweeby looking dudes just ogling the girls. There were a few obvious gangsters in the corner: tats, cigarette burn marks, horrible fashion sense but not giving a fuck. Granted, you're not going to get anywhere in the venue (unlike a strip club where you're encouraged to touch them) but I think if you run with a small crew, play the right type of game and number close it's not hard to get them out. Plus, much like strippers they probably have really low self-esteem to exploit their bodies in such an apparent way, so it shouldn't be too hard to run psy-ops level game and get their hamsters spinning.
The inevitable elephant in the room is the gangster boyfriend cockblock, but I think as long as you build sufficient attraction and wait to pounce immediately after a breakup (or are super brave/nihilistic and don't give a fuck) then it shouldn't be too long of a wait. Probably a good idea to go to a few coffee shops to mix it up (there's at least 10 in that 2 mile area) so you can pipeline accordingly.
Additional bonus points if you're a really yoked/built dude: My cousin is the Asian version of Paulie D, complete with mohawk and huge muscles, and the guy just plows through these coffee shop chicks. Like most lower-class girls, I think they're inherently attracted to very obvious signs of power/alphaness. Here are some final thoughts and tips:
Logistics:
1. Go in small groups: It's part of their jobs to sit down and chat for awhile at each table. The easiest and most organic way of encouraging this is to have an empty seat at the table. Once she sits down, this is the opportunity to run game. No more than 3 is ideal.
2. Go at off-hours: Every Viet guy that I know is a degenerate sports gambler, so Sunday mornings during football season, any time the Lakers are playing or notable sporting events get big crowds. The girls will be too busy to sit down for more than a minute as they're just running drinks back and forth or refilling your ice tea. I watched the 2010 world cup finals at a coffee shop and there were at least 300 dudes inside a 3000 sq foot cafe, with 50 more milling around outside. Fire marshal came in with two GGPD officers during the overtime and cleared all those who weren't seated out which royally pissed off a lot of the old-timers. It's a good thing 5-0 carry guns too.
3. Tip generously, but don't be a chump: Girls are getting paid minimum $15/hr (am told the top tier girls get closer to $25/hr) but they obviously make most of their money from tips. That being said, I've seen guys tip $20 on $10 bills and at the same time, $2 tips on $50 bills from the middle aged Vietnamese guys straight off the boat. I think 25-30% gratuity seems reasonable for the inherent advantage of looking at their bodies without seeming like you're trying to buy their affection.
Pros:
- Obviously, sexy ass chicks wearing next to nothing
- Viet girls have the best bodies out of all Asians when it comes to pure sex appeal (Filipinas get a close second). By proxy, the non Vietnamese girls have to have comparable bodies to keep up. Granted, there are lots of fake tits, but come on, this is SoCal after all.
- Mostly simpy ass guys sitting around aka no competition at venue
- Very cost effective: Basically the poor man's (rather extremely destitute man's strip club)
Cons:
- Girls are largely thug chicks and have jealous Viet gangster boyfriends (You can talk tough all you want about how you're MMA heavyweight world champion, 7'2", 320lb, but against >5 guys coming at you with murderous intent with knives/guns I don't really see what you can do but run). "Maintaining frame" doesn't help much against guys who have Napoleon complexes and a "kill or be kill" mentality inculcated into them over generations of guerrilla warfare.
- Can't physically escalate the girls while they're working - also have to kind of compete with your homies to see who can lure her in the best
- This is just me personally, but I'm very sensitive to caffeine so I always get the jitters from the insanely strong Vietnamese style ca phe plus the green tea.
Any additional insight on this topic would be very appreciated. I'll be honest and say I haven't gotten a "coffee-shop flag" yet, but I think if I keep at it and avoid potentially life-threatening thug boyfriend cockblocks, it should happen sooner than later.