[werewolf23]

A field report.

I went on a date last night with this 7.5 red head.

The night went well, the conversation was effortlessly smooth and enjoyable. We had beers at a small pub then we venue hopped down the street to a more intimate lounge.

The kino was going well, she would touch my hand when making a point and when I held her hand she would squeeze back. Our eye contact was solid and my smile was on point. She would bite her lip, flip her hair and I even caught her a few times pinching her lips together with her index and middle finger. I even pulled Roosh's arm around the waist hand on ass. Hell, my hand was stroking her upper thigh....I'm moving in for the kiss when she turns away and smiles coyly, telling me " no, I'm a slow burner." I tell her "ok."

The topic drifts into dating, with her telling me I am really good at dating and I'm doing all the right things. Which of course led her to ask how many women I date a month. I told her I talk to a lot of women but I am very picky about who I spend my time with. She pays the bill and we get ready to leave.


We are sharing a cigarette on the way to her place when I go for another kiss after another flurry of IOI's from her. Same reaction. Same response from me. We continue walking towards her place and she tells me I can drop her off at the corner, I tell her i'll walk her all the way home but she says she'll be fine (oh well) While at the corner we hug and I try for the kiss once again, shot down once more. I get a weak kiss on the cheek and I bounce.


I've got the feeling that I tried too many times to kiss. My question for you guys is how many times would you say go for a kiss if the IOI's and everything else is humming along?


Any other suggestions, questions and critiques are welcomed.

p.s. This morning I sent her this text " That was fun. We should hang out again in a few days."

[kerouac]

Sounds like she's good at "girl game."

In my opinion, if a girl pulls a move like that, I'll just be like "whatever bitch" and slap her in the face and piss on her. Think R Kelly. Just kidding.

I sense she was shit-testing you quite a bit. Your responses were meh to ok, but don't talk about your dating life with her. If she asks you questions about it, keep it extremely mysterious. If she's like "how many girls do you date per month?" be like "huh? i don't keep tallies (hoe)!" If you're trying to pull off "I'm a player" but you're not, a girl will sense that and feel like you're trying too hard.

Also, that text in the morning is a nono. Wrong move. If she dissed you with the no-kiss, don't text her with something like that!

Forget about this girl for now...

[MiXX]

You are making your intentions too obvious, and she does not trust you. In other words, you escalated a kiss/kino too fast without escalating trust and comfort to the same level.

Which is also why she called you out on being good at dating. Things have to flow naturally, and what works for me is to NEVER go directly for a kiss on the lips as my first kiss regardless of IOI's, instead, start pecking away at her - kiss her everywhere BUT her lips - do this playfully for at least 45 minutes if things go well - and then ...MUUUAAAH and plant one on her lips then. Chances are she thought you would kiss her elsewhere, and now that it is done..she won't mind and continue.

Since the damage is done, the only thing left to do is to try not to kiss her at all now on the next date, and let her wonder why you have not tried. She'll very likely ask you playfully - at which point you can lead anywhere you wat it to.

Alos, stop texting her! Girls love hiding behind text messages when they feel guilty about something or do not trust someone. They get lazy, and you get no ass. Do not contact her for about 3 days, and then call her and setup a fun-date and bring out the inner child in her - like dave and busters type place..someplace that instigates you having fun like kids - that is what will make her trust you...seeing the inner kid in you. Then pick-up where you left off on date 1 after trust is solidified.

Mixx

[Dash Global]

you went in the kiss WAY to much. after getting shot down on the first try you should have not tried again that night imo unless she is giving you mad IOI's and DTF signs or herself escalating physical kino.

def should not have texted her the nxt morning.

like mixx said i would wait 3-4 days before i contacted her. esp since she is playing games, or is just moving slow.

[werewolf23]

Thanks guys for the insightful information.

@ Kerouac , This is the second date I've been given the "your shit is too smooth" line by a chica. I am by no means a master of this game yet. I've got to get that comfort/trust portion down before I will see any real progress. I definitely will use your response "huh? i don't keep tallies (hoe)!" it's golden.

@ Mixx, The trust building portion has been my weakest link, along with my sometimes old beta tendencies of texting after a date. In your experience, say the date is a success ending with a kiss, sex, etc. how long before you re-initiate contact? or is the real measure of a successful date her re-contacting you? I am going to try your kissing method on my next date, it does sound like a better way to keep kino escalating at the appropriate pace.

@ Dash Global, "you went in the kiss WAY to much. after getting shot down on the first try you should have not tried again that night imo unless she is giving you mad IOI's and DTF signs or herself escalating physical kino.

def should not have texted her the nxt morning." You articulated what was running through my head on the way home last night. The text in the morning was a def fuck up and will not be repeated.


While frustrating, this failure is important to my success.

[kerouac]

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While frustrating, this failure is important to my success.

Spoken like a true champ.

You're learning the best way one can learn, and that is through experience.

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In your experience, say the date is a success ending with a kiss, sex, etc. how long before you re-initiate contact?

After having sex with a girl the ball is in your court. You can contact her the next day, or you can contact her a while later. It's really up to you, because, most of the time, when a girl has sex with you she is open to seeing you again. A lot of times the girl will take measures to get back in touch with you herself, so you can wait for that if you want.

[MiXX]

(10-21-2010 03:38 PM)werewolf23 Wrote:  

Thanks guys for the insightful information.


@ Mixx, The trust building portion has been my weakest link, along with my sometimes old beta tendencies of texting after a date. In your experience, say the date is a success ending with a kiss, sex, etc. how long before you re-initiate contact? or is the real measure of a successful date her re-contacting you? I am going to try your kissing method on my next date, it does sound like a better way to keep kino escalating at the appropriate pace.

Agree with Kerouac. Once sex is done, you are now in control. Enjoy this moment. It's what you gamed her for to begin with.

My only advice is don't play women after sex and ruin it for the next guy. If you are not interested in her seriously, and just another fuck buddy - MAN UP AND SAY SO! I'm surprised at how many women I've banged agree to this fuck-buddy only relationship. A true player tells a girl where he stands no matter what, just make sure you get your last licks if you want to ditch her and not come back later with any regrets; that action would be totally beta.

Mixx

[rumguzzler]

I think MiXx's advice is really good. It's always really good.

You should also consider more teasing. That can really work wonders, which is what Mixx also recommends - go in close, real close, and pull away. A good way to tell if she's ready to be kissed is to touch her hair, compliment her on it (as cheasy as it sounds), and if the reaction is positive, she is definitely ready to be kissed. In that scenario, you could gently pull her towards you, then when her face is about 8-10 inches away, stop, push her gently back and say "not now" or "I want to wait a little more".

Continue where you left off, and when things heat up, go in closer than before, but still push.

On the third or fourth time go almost all the way in, then stop, barely letting your lips brush hers, then pull back. The few times I've been sober enough to remember to do this, it drives chicks fucking insane.

It seems with this chick, more teasing could well have done the trick.

[werewolf23]

Well, I got the " it's too recent from my last break up." text....oh noes! hahaha. valuable lessons were learned. thanks for the assistance guys.

[MiXX]

(10-22-2010 12:19 PM)werewolf23 Wrote:  

Well, I got the " it's too recent from my last break up." text....oh noes! hahaha. valuable lessons were learned. thanks for the assistance guys.

She's giving you another chance...its not that she does not want to, but she is telling you she feels like a slut. Somebody is soon to bang her however, that's just her ASD talking.

So, next time invite her out with ANOTHER (prettier) girl, and treat her just like a friend, and give attention to the other girl - she needs a bit of a push - she needs to see what she is going ti lose to competition.

It's not over.....trust me, do it!

Mixx

[Quasi]

You should get down the basics and never jump through her loops, that she throw out when fishing after info or her probably fake dating compliments to get you babbling on (which you did). Stop caring so damn much its sounds like you really care about her.. dont.. valueing any one women is setting sails to fail, do some more interesting things with your life, be inaccesible and simple forget them naturally, they will get back to you..

I disagree with Mixx I do think its over, you are allready in the wrong categori of man in her mind. Jumping through her loops, getting turned down, and re-initiating contact made her think she is out of your league, which probably ATM is correct, so its time to say the magic word....NEXT!

Yea and one thing WTF did you go to the pub and not home to you so you could create a sexual atmostsphere? when was the last time you got laid in a pub? (dont answer... )