Comparing getting banned from a forum run by me and getting fired from an executive job because Indian people hate you is silly.
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Gawker writer is trying to get a guy fired for his tweets
I think that just focusing on the racial aspects of this story (Indians going after a white guy, the use of the word "nigger") leads us to minimize the main problem here, which is that these cultural Marxists are becoming increasingly emboldened in tearing down anyone who does not toe the progressive line. After all, the people who attacked Pax Dickinson did not do so specifically because he used racist language. They had an entire laundry list of thought crimes to level against him, which Roosh quoted in the OP:
And note that this brief list is abbreviated here for stylistic reasons. Have no doubt that a dedicated social justice warrior could trot out a dozen more such "hate designations" to level against Mr. Dickinson after perusing his Twitter feed (my new favorite is "ableist", which is thrown at someone who uses the word "stupid", because this offends people who are naturally less intelligent. And no, I'm not making that up).
The point is that while using racist language on your personal Twitter is not intelligent or commendable in this day and age (especially for a man in the professional world), even if he hadn't, he would still be in line for a cultural Marxist lynching due to his other perceived crimes. So where does it stop, then? What is acceptable and unacceptable for a professional man to say? Must we completely neuter ourselves of all personal opinions for the privilege of collecting a corporate paycheck? Five years from now, will men be getting fired for calling people stupid on Twitter, because this is discriminatory, ableist language?
And also note that the cultural Marxists have demonstrated that time, place and context have no relevance when it comes to their persecution of these modern day heretics. That was made crystal clear in the recent cases of Paula Deen and Riley Cooper. Paula Deen had her career destroyed for having admitted to saying the world nigger decades ago. Riley Cooper was vilified in the media for weeks for using a racial slur at a concert in regards to black men he was involved in an altercation with. Neither of these two peoples' thought crimes had anything to do with their professional occupations, yet the cultural Marxists tried to destroy them both professionally anyway.
What does that mean? Well, it's easier for them to get away with such tactics on the issue of race, since racism is commonly perceived as the worst thought crime possible in the modern West. But as everyone here knows, Western culture is only becoming more and more politically correct and pussified with each passing day. Negative attitudes towards homosexuality are quickly becoming as controversial and unacceptable as racism. How long until the same is true for Feminism? For "Classism?" For "Ableism"? For "Lookism?" (discrimination against the non-good looking, again, a real thing for social justice warriors, look it up).
Since these people have demonstrated that there is no statute of limitations on thought crimes and discriminatory attitudes, everyone who has voiced their displeasure regarding feminism on the RVF will be open to these kind of attacks in the future from cultural Marxists. You will be vulnerable to be painted as a despicable misogynist and losing your corporate job. It's exactly the same thing that happened to this guy here. Make no mistake, that's the direction they are heading. This guy was just the biggest and most obvious target. With each scalp they collect they grow bolder.
Unless you are open to the possibility of something like this happening to yourself, no one should be happy to see a man getting fired simply for expressing opinions that run counter to the politically correct groupthink of the day, regardless whether you find them offensive. Because the point is that ANYTHING you say can potentially offend someone, so where does it end? I'm imaging a world 20 years from now where all corporate communications must be done exclusively with vocabulary from an approved list of adjectives, verbs and nouns. But don't worry, you've still got freedom of speech, they'll say, because you can choose your own prepositions and conjunctions.
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What has two thumbs and a homophobic, racist, misogynistic, classist worldview? Pax Dickinson. We just noticed this vile Twitter account from Business Insider's chief technology officer today. But he's been at it for awhile.
And note that this brief list is abbreviated here for stylistic reasons. Have no doubt that a dedicated social justice warrior could trot out a dozen more such "hate designations" to level against Mr. Dickinson after perusing his Twitter feed (my new favorite is "ableist", which is thrown at someone who uses the word "stupid", because this offends people who are naturally less intelligent. And no, I'm not making that up).
The point is that while using racist language on your personal Twitter is not intelligent or commendable in this day and age (especially for a man in the professional world), even if he hadn't, he would still be in line for a cultural Marxist lynching due to his other perceived crimes. So where does it stop, then? What is acceptable and unacceptable for a professional man to say? Must we completely neuter ourselves of all personal opinions for the privilege of collecting a corporate paycheck? Five years from now, will men be getting fired for calling people stupid on Twitter, because this is discriminatory, ableist language?
And also note that the cultural Marxists have demonstrated that time, place and context have no relevance when it comes to their persecution of these modern day heretics. That was made crystal clear in the recent cases of Paula Deen and Riley Cooper. Paula Deen had her career destroyed for having admitted to saying the world nigger decades ago. Riley Cooper was vilified in the media for weeks for using a racial slur at a concert in regards to black men he was involved in an altercation with. Neither of these two peoples' thought crimes had anything to do with their professional occupations, yet the cultural Marxists tried to destroy them both professionally anyway.
What does that mean? Well, it's easier for them to get away with such tactics on the issue of race, since racism is commonly perceived as the worst thought crime possible in the modern West. But as everyone here knows, Western culture is only becoming more and more politically correct and pussified with each passing day. Negative attitudes towards homosexuality are quickly becoming as controversial and unacceptable as racism. How long until the same is true for Feminism? For "Classism?" For "Ableism"? For "Lookism?" (discrimination against the non-good looking, again, a real thing for social justice warriors, look it up).
Since these people have demonstrated that there is no statute of limitations on thought crimes and discriminatory attitudes, everyone who has voiced their displeasure regarding feminism on the RVF will be open to these kind of attacks in the future from cultural Marxists. You will be vulnerable to be painted as a despicable misogynist and losing your corporate job. It's exactly the same thing that happened to this guy here. Make no mistake, that's the direction they are heading. This guy was just the biggest and most obvious target. With each scalp they collect they grow bolder.
Unless you are open to the possibility of something like this happening to yourself, no one should be happy to see a man getting fired simply for expressing opinions that run counter to the politically correct groupthink of the day, regardless whether you find them offensive. Because the point is that ANYTHING you say can potentially offend someone, so where does it end? I'm imaging a world 20 years from now where all corporate communications must be done exclusively with vocabulary from an approved list of adjectives, verbs and nouns. But don't worry, you've still got freedom of speech, they'll say, because you can choose your own prepositions and conjunctions.
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Better not smoke weed on off hours. (Employee drug tests, ya know.)
Better not say unpopular things. (You'll get fired for out of work speech.)
Those of you defending this are good little house slaves. You don't even know you're house slaves - that's what good little slaves you are.
Better not say unpopular things. (You'll get fired for out of work speech.)
Those of you defending this are good little house slaves. You don't even know you're house slaves - that's what good little slaves you are.
^ the notion of personal life being a reason to terminate employment has been established for years.
No one should be surprised by this termination. We lost years ago.
Dear RVF, stack your chips and leave.
No one should be surprised by this termination. We lost years ago.
Dear RVF, stack your chips and leave.
Quote: (09-10-2013 06:38 PM)MikeCF Wrote:
Better not smoke weed on off hours. (Employee drug tests, ya know.)
Better not say unpopular things. (You'll get fired for out of work speech.)
Those of you defending this are good little house slaves. You don't even know you're house slaves - that's what good little slaves you are.
Having some social awareness equates being a house slave? Give me a fucking break. If you are part of the senior management of a company and want to go off and shoot whatever shit you have on your mind out on social media be my guest. I'll give the guy credit for sticking to his guns, but he still comes across as a tool.
Quote: (09-10-2013 06:48 PM)WestCoast Wrote:
^ the notion of personal life being a reason to terminate employment has been established for years.
No one should be surprised by this termination. We lost years ago.
Dear RVF, stack your chips and leave.
This is a meaningless statement. Yes, technically it's true, but the legitimacy of this kind of termination has been expanded greatly and continues to expand. We haven't lost, most men haven't started fighting back yet.
Quote: (09-10-2013 06:50 PM)JDSalinger Wrote:
Quote: (09-10-2013 06:38 PM)MikeCF Wrote:
Better not smoke weed on off hours. (Employee drug tests, ya know.)
Better not say unpopular things. (You'll get fired for out of work speech.)
Those of you defending this are good little house slaves. You don't even know you're house slaves - that's what good little slaves you are.
Having some social awareness equates being a house slave? Give me a fucking break. If you are part of the senior management of a company and want to go off and shoot whatever shit you have on your mind out on social media be my guest. I'll give the guy credit for sticking to his guns, but he still comes across as a tool.
You either have free speech or you don't. One can be "socially aware" and still speak out against something unjust. Black slaves circa 1860 would have been "socially aware" of what speaking out entailed. The point is that a society shouldn't be destroying/enslaving/killing people for speaking about something. I know of no better definition of social justice than that.
^ so you say my statement is true yet meaningless?
Then you say the amount of shit you can't say is expanding yet we haven't lost?
Hell come on, if anything shit is getting 100x worse. Prisoners dilemma on crack but with the majority against you. We're fucked. Play the game and get out.
Free speech died in 2000. Not 2013.
If there was free speech and job safety no one would care about loading their photos on this forum. Clearly we do because we know we would be immediately fucked.
The game again is over. Stack bread GTFO it's not even debatable at this point.
Then you say the amount of shit you can't say is expanding yet we haven't lost?
Hell come on, if anything shit is getting 100x worse. Prisoners dilemma on crack but with the majority against you. We're fucked. Play the game and get out.
Free speech died in 2000. Not 2013.
If there was free speech and job safety no one would care about loading their photos on this forum. Clearly we do because we know we would be immediately fucked.
The game again is over. Stack bread GTFO it's not even debatable at this point.
Quote: (09-10-2013 06:54 PM)WestCoast Wrote:
^ so you say my statement is true yet meaningless?
Then you say the amount of shit you can't say is expanding yet we haven't lost?
Hell come on, if anything shit is getting 100x worse. Prisoners dilemma on crack but with the majority against you. We're fucked. Play the game and get out.
Free speech died in 2000. Not 2013.
If there was free speech and job safety no one would care about loading their photos on this forum. Clearly we do because we know we would be immediately fucked.
The game again is over. Stack bread GTFO it's not even debatable at this point.
Your initial statement was still meaningless. You're defending Y based on X. X being a precedent where you can face professional consequences for saying unambiguously hateful things. Y being disagreeing with the PC consensus.
Yeah, the game is rigged, but the existence of places like RVF prove we aren't just going to surrender over the barrel.
Quote: (09-10-2013 06:29 PM)bojangles Wrote:
All Indians suffer from an inferiority complex, it seems genetic and in built, it's why you guys are having so many IRT issues.
I'll like to make on the record that Bojangles is my favorite Indian on RVF (and probably in real life since I don't know many Indians), no homo. He's got game and can keep a conversation going.
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There has always been heretics in every age.
This isn't anything new.
This is just a new religion, with new laws and new edicts.
This isn't anything new.
This is just a new religion, with new laws and new edicts.
Your boy gets drunk and picks a fight at the bar. You see him getting beat up. Are you going to just stand there and say he deserved it? No one is perfect, but if the guy is on your team, you give him help, in spite of his flaws.
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This is a meaningless statement. Yes, technically it's true, but the legitimacy of this kind of termination has been expanded greatly and continues to expand. We haven't lost, most men haven't started fighting back yet.
Well you're losing so we need to either stick up for these guys, fire back at the cunts or all fire our mouths off at once and let the cards fall where they will.
When the guys that make shit happen get fired the country will be paralyzed.
Obviously don't understand my statement. There will always be 10:1 more white knights. So it's prisoners dilemma you can't win. Even white knights can be rich as fuck, many are. It's a stacked game you won't win and it's not debatable.
As el mech has said above you'd have to be doing shit. That's the 10%.
The shit is done ended and over.
For every guy I have helped fix/improve game/money etc there are 100 that want me to fail get fired and lose everything.
Now that you know the game, how are you going to make a play?
I know my answer. Best I can do is anonymously support pat and legit guys I know. Everyone else to the wolves you go.
As el mech has said above you'd have to be doing shit. That's the 10%.
The shit is done ended and over.
For every guy I have helped fix/improve game/money etc there are 100 that want me to fail get fired and lose everything.
Now that you know the game, how are you going to make a play?
I know my answer. Best I can do is anonymously support pat and legit guys I know. Everyone else to the wolves you go.
This is not a matter of free speech. This man is not going to lose his freedom by going to prison over the use of the "N-word" or the many other statements he made via Twitter.
He can proceed right now to make the same statements on Twitter that got him fired as many times as he'd like and he won't be arrested for it.
The fact is that his employer - for entirely sound reasons from a business perspective - chose to let him go once they received information that he behaved in an unscrupulous and indefensible manner.
Keep in mind this man was not provoked into insulting people. No one baited him to make those statements. This was his decision to publicly and openly make his personal views known to anyone who can read his tweets.
One doesn't need fancy credentials in the form of education and work experience to know his decision was utterly reckless.
Though it's entertaining to read all this heightened discussion about culture wars and the like, sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade.
Sorry to break it to anyone who is unaware, but getting fired for loose lips is nothing new.
He can proceed right now to make the same statements on Twitter that got him fired as many times as he'd like and he won't be arrested for it.
The fact is that his employer - for entirely sound reasons from a business perspective - chose to let him go once they received information that he behaved in an unscrupulous and indefensible manner.
Keep in mind this man was not provoked into insulting people. No one baited him to make those statements. This was his decision to publicly and openly make his personal views known to anyone who can read his tweets.
One doesn't need fancy credentials in the form of education and work experience to know his decision was utterly reckless.
Though it's entertaining to read all this heightened discussion about culture wars and the like, sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade.
Sorry to break it to anyone who is unaware, but getting fired for loose lips is nothing new.
Quote: (09-10-2013 07:05 PM)Roosh Wrote:In a bar fight scenario you have the opportunity to 360 the situation, judge jury and executioner in one minute and leave.
Your boy gets drunk and picks a fight at the bar. You see him getting beat up. Are you going to just stand there and say he deserved it? No one is perfect, but if the guy is on your team, you give him help, in spite of his flaws.
With online stuff it's a slow roll.
Quote: (09-10-2013 07:09 PM)WestCoast Wrote:
Obviously don't understand my statement. There will always be 10:1 more white knights. So it's prisoners dilemma you can't win. Even white knights can be rich as fuck, many are. It's a stacked game you won't win and it's not debatable.
As el mech has said above you'd have to be doing shit. That's the 10%.
The shit is done ended and over.
For every guy I have helped fix/improve game/money etc there are 100 that want me to fail get fired and lose everything.
Now that you know the game, how are you going to make a play?
I know my answer. Best I can do is anonymously support pat and legit guys I know. Everyone else to the wolves you go.
The key is changing the ratio. I haven't really kept my own MRA leanings a secret, but MRAs won't change this ratio, so no matter how hard they fight, the culture isn't ready to accept them. The simple reality is that men generally are far too autonomous to join something like an MRM no matter how ridiculous the culture gets.
This is why I'm unequivocally down with game and MGTOW culture, they're the phenomena that are going to change the culture, and in my opinion what will give real power to the MRA voice.
This bullshit can't go on much longer unopposed. You're wise to navigate this culture as you are doing, but like Roosh said, it's hard to watch someone getting beat up on.
Quote: (09-10-2013 07:14 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:
Sorry to break it to anyone who is unaware, but getting fired for loose lips is nothing new.
I don't deny that, but at what point does it become ridiculous? Saying you think men and women are different? Saying you're proud of being a man? Is that "loose lips?" Saying "dongle?" It's a pretty slippery slope.
Lol you can't change the ratio.
@HC I agree it's very similar to the dumbass Asian guy from try celery.
The game is rigged done. I don't have time for bullshit about this ship turning around. We lost 20 years ago. The correct solution is keep your good contacts close and play the game to the top of the food chain.
I don't have time to debate bullshit about fixing white knights. I have tried to fix members of my own family and they end up trying to throw you under the bus as well.
There is no fix, get yours get out. That's reality people. Real life.
I believe both tuth and samseau both have articles explaining you can't change the ratio (betas like the pain etc etc). And it's true. That's why the best solution is laid out in my posts above. Debating it = mental masturbation.
The RVF is probably the largest community of legit people and it's got maybe a few hundred who truly get it. Now go over to yahoo comments and get ready for the bottom feeding retards and tell me you can't run the numskies. Ratio ain't good. I don't sell dreams.
@HC I agree it's very similar to the dumbass Asian guy from try celery.
The game is rigged done. I don't have time for bullshit about this ship turning around. We lost 20 years ago. The correct solution is keep your good contacts close and play the game to the top of the food chain.
I don't have time to debate bullshit about fixing white knights. I have tried to fix members of my own family and they end up trying to throw you under the bus as well.
There is no fix, get yours get out. That's reality people. Real life.
I believe both tuth and samseau both have articles explaining you can't change the ratio (betas like the pain etc etc). And it's true. That's why the best solution is laid out in my posts above. Debating it = mental masturbation.
The RVF is probably the largest community of legit people and it's got maybe a few hundred who truly get it. Now go over to yahoo comments and get ready for the bottom feeding retards and tell me you can't run the numskies. Ratio ain't good. I don't sell dreams.
Quote: (09-10-2013 07:22 PM)WestCoast Wrote:
Lol you can't change the ratio.
@HC I agree it's very similar to the dumbass Asian guy from try celery.
The game is rigged done. I don't have time for bullshit about this ship turning around. We lost 20 years ago. The correct solution is keep your good contacts close and play the game to the top of the food chain.
I don't have time to debate bullshit about fixing white knights. I have tried to fix members of my own family and they end up trying to get up throwing you under the bus as well.
There is no fix, get yours get out. That's reality people. Real life.
I agree, but it's only half of the reality. The other half is that Western civilization is increasingly going down in flames. You'll get yours while the civilization around you burns. On one hand I don't give a shit, but on the other it won't be women's doors the govt. comes knocking on to put out the flames.
Quote: (09-10-2013 07:18 PM)Wadsworth Wrote:
I don't deny that, but at what point does it become ridiculous? Saying you think men and women are different? Saying you're proud of being a man? Is that "loose lips?" Saying "dongle?" It's a pretty slippery slope.
Haha. Are you sure that's ALL he tweeted? Let's not be disingenuous now.
Quote: (09-10-2013 07:26 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:
Quote: (09-10-2013 07:18 PM)Wadsworth Wrote:
I don't deny that, but at what point does it become ridiculous? Saying you think men and women are different? Saying you're proud of being a man? Is that "loose lips?" Saying "dongle?" It's a pretty slippery slope.
Haha. Are you sure that's ALL he tweeted? Let's not be disingenuous now.
I don't mean to be disingenuous, as Tuthmosis already said the guy's behavior wasn't exactly ideal.
But as long as we're defending termination based on loose lips lets define some parameters. One guy already got fired earlier this year for making a dongle joke.
Western society is not going down in flames. That reads like the guys who talk about the national debt.
If you are one of those bible thumping the decline is coming with xyz debt I will happily walk away from this conversation because those idiots can't add two digits on an abacus.
If you are one of those bible thumping the decline is coming with xyz debt I will happily walk away from this conversation because those idiots can't add two digits on an abacus.
Quote: (09-10-2013 07:29 PM)WestCoast Wrote:
Western society is not going down in flames. That reads like the guys who talk about the national debt.
If you are one of those bible thumping the decline is coming with xyz debt I will happily walk away from this conversation because those idiots can't add two digits on an abacus.
Where did I mention the national debt? So in the same thread where we're discussing someone being terminated for hurting feelings (and by the way women aren't terminated for the same reason), it's idiotic to suggest we're losing our culture? And I suppose there's nothing else one could point to? The unsustainable birth rates?
If you're saying the culture is getting worse then yes I have already stated that in the previous posts.
I interpreted "going down in flames as econonomical"
Saying it to reflect culture is tantamount to what I have already stated here.
I interpreted "going down in flames as econonomical"
Saying it to reflect culture is tantamount to what I have already stated here.
Quote: (09-10-2013 07:26 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:
Quote: (09-10-2013 07:18 PM)Wadsworth Wrote:
I don't deny that, but at what point does it become ridiculous? Saying you think men and women are different? Saying you're proud of being a man? Is that "loose lips?" Saying "dongle?" It's a pretty slippery slope.
Haha. Are you sure that's ALL he tweeted? Let's not be disingenuous now.
Do you think a man deserves to get fired for saying the N-word outside of work?
It comes down to whether a private life (one outside of work) exists anymore. If you say he should get fired, then you've given your life to your employer, have you not?
Maybe his tweets were a cry for help in that he wanted to be fired. It doesn't seem like he's too upset by it.
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