So I'm new to this site and these forums and still digesting the red pill, but have had a fair amount of success with women in the past and have been familiar with game concepts since I started college back in 06. I learned enough to get laid plenty in college but never really started killing the beta until recently. I got out of a three year, serious beta backslide relationship and have been working on embracing the red pill lifestyle and learning post-college game. I feel like I've come a long way in internalizing the concepts and can generally read interest levels pretty well but I'm stumped about how to proceed with one of the girls I've been seeing.
I met this girl through some friends a few weeks ago, and on the first night dropped some negs to get her qualifying while playing some life of the party game with everyone else. End up isolating her at bar, getting number, conversation gets heated, we get a cab back to my place and she says no sex that night. That's usually a good sign but we get back to my place and sure enough, after making out for a few seconds she rolls over, fully clothed, and insisted on going to sleep. Next morning she sees a book of mine that intrigues her (Art of Seduction, haha) and asks to borrow it. I let her, drive her home, and don't call her right away because I thought I'd give a stab at playing hard to get.
A week later I get a text, "Finished your book asshole" and I playfully invite her out to drinks to "discuss the book." We get a bit tipsy, she outright asks to come back to my place and again says there will be no sex. I of course try anyway, we get naked, use fingers and mouth, but she just is adamant about me not putting it in. Apparently she has only ever slept with two guys - two boyfriends - and even though a lot of our conversation is sexually charged and she keeps seemingly giving me the greenlight she won't go all the way. Next morning I try again for the hell of it, finger her til she cums, and she laments about how she wants to have sex but just can't.
Went out with her again a week ago, she brought a sexy nighty on the assumption she would sleep over, which she did, but I hit the same wall (I pulled away and reinitiated at least 7-10 times). Brought her home next day, she cooked me breakfast and we fool around on her couch, she talks about how she wants to sleep with me but can't, and I go on my way.
See, the weird thing is she keeps texting me when I don't call her, asking me if I'm finally sick of her, and things about getting away together. I mentioned a planned road trip I have to go to my dad's place, and she keeps hinting that she'd like to come along and I can "say she's just a friend" if I want. We've talked about how we both want to move to a new city, and she will randomly text me things like "wanna move to California?" and then follow up by saying "we can just be friends, I'll help you meet girls." I tease her about already asking me to elope and she insists it's not like that.
I'm just confused. She's smart, solid 8 or 9 (one of the hotter girls I've gotten this far with), and I am inclined to believe her about only having sex with 2 boyfriends. We've fooled around every time we've hung out, but then she will talk about how we can just be friends. She says she can't just have sex with someone she's not dating, then she'll text me things late at night like "trying not to think about fucking you." She thinks I've had sex with 100 women (not even close in reality) and probes me about other women in my life, and when I won't give her a straight answer she talks about how she doesn't want to be "another one of my whores."
Now, I actually like this girl - she's smart and fun to talk to, plus from our other activities I have a very good feeling about her abilities in bed. But I just don't know how to proceed. Do I take her out again and just keep pushing until she wears down? I don't want to put in too much effort for no return, and I have a bad history of oneitis tendencies so I know I need to be cautious, but I am honestly stumped about the best way to proceed without being played or being the guy that fingers her until she cums while she bides her time for some other dude's cock. I think she is actually really into me, and even has a few feelings starting to develop, but she's harder to read than most girls and is driving me crazy with blue balls when we hang out.
Is it worth it to keep trying or am I just beating my cock against a wall?
I met this girl through some friends a few weeks ago, and on the first night dropped some negs to get her qualifying while playing some life of the party game with everyone else. End up isolating her at bar, getting number, conversation gets heated, we get a cab back to my place and she says no sex that night. That's usually a good sign but we get back to my place and sure enough, after making out for a few seconds she rolls over, fully clothed, and insisted on going to sleep. Next morning she sees a book of mine that intrigues her (Art of Seduction, haha) and asks to borrow it. I let her, drive her home, and don't call her right away because I thought I'd give a stab at playing hard to get.
A week later I get a text, "Finished your book asshole" and I playfully invite her out to drinks to "discuss the book." We get a bit tipsy, she outright asks to come back to my place and again says there will be no sex. I of course try anyway, we get naked, use fingers and mouth, but she just is adamant about me not putting it in. Apparently she has only ever slept with two guys - two boyfriends - and even though a lot of our conversation is sexually charged and she keeps seemingly giving me the greenlight she won't go all the way. Next morning I try again for the hell of it, finger her til she cums, and she laments about how she wants to have sex but just can't.
Went out with her again a week ago, she brought a sexy nighty on the assumption she would sleep over, which she did, but I hit the same wall (I pulled away and reinitiated at least 7-10 times). Brought her home next day, she cooked me breakfast and we fool around on her couch, she talks about how she wants to sleep with me but can't, and I go on my way.
See, the weird thing is she keeps texting me when I don't call her, asking me if I'm finally sick of her, and things about getting away together. I mentioned a planned road trip I have to go to my dad's place, and she keeps hinting that she'd like to come along and I can "say she's just a friend" if I want. We've talked about how we both want to move to a new city, and she will randomly text me things like "wanna move to California?" and then follow up by saying "we can just be friends, I'll help you meet girls." I tease her about already asking me to elope and she insists it's not like that.
I'm just confused. She's smart, solid 8 or 9 (one of the hotter girls I've gotten this far with), and I am inclined to believe her about only having sex with 2 boyfriends. We've fooled around every time we've hung out, but then she will talk about how we can just be friends. She says she can't just have sex with someone she's not dating, then she'll text me things late at night like "trying not to think about fucking you." She thinks I've had sex with 100 women (not even close in reality) and probes me about other women in my life, and when I won't give her a straight answer she talks about how she doesn't want to be "another one of my whores."
Now, I actually like this girl - she's smart and fun to talk to, plus from our other activities I have a very good feeling about her abilities in bed. But I just don't know how to proceed. Do I take her out again and just keep pushing until she wears down? I don't want to put in too much effort for no return, and I have a bad history of oneitis tendencies so I know I need to be cautious, but I am honestly stumped about the best way to proceed without being played or being the guy that fingers her until she cums while she bides her time for some other dude's cock. I think she is actually really into me, and even has a few feelings starting to develop, but she's harder to read than most girls and is driving me crazy with blue balls when we hang out.
Is it worth it to keep trying or am I just beating my cock against a wall?