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08-29-2013, 01:06 AM
Quote: (08-29-2013 12:15 AM)Wadsworth Wrote:
Quote: (08-28-2013 11:29 PM)scorpion Wrote:
Quote: (08-28-2013 11:06 PM)Gopher Wrote:
"If I didn't have public assistance to help me out, I think I would have been out on the street already with the money I make at McDonald's."
This is the part you should have bolded. We pay for these people one way or another. If you don't require businesses to pay a living wage, these people simply turn to the government. So instead of a company's customers and shareholders bearing the burden like they should, the taxpayer picks up the tab. Due to the economic system we've created, people have to have some form of income to survive. It's not like everyone can just move to a farm and grow their own food. So if you deny low-skilled, low IQ people (there are millions of them) the ability to honestly earn a living wage, you are essentially sentencing them to death or a life of crime.
There are only three solutions to this problem:
1) Allow companies to pay extremely low wages, and subsidize the poor with government handouts (the status quo).
2) Force companies to pay higher wages, passing on the costs to their shareholders and customers (what the strikers want).
3) Eliminate all welfare and wage regulations, and if people can't make themselves productive enough to survive, let them die (something most people would find morally unacceptable).
4) Stop importing cheap labor from the global market. Allow the forces of supply and demand to equilibrate locally as they should. Rely on the labor market in the same market you're selling your goods rather than sidestepping that labor market in favor of Mexico's.
Gonna leave this here...
"Despite their numbers, their pussyness means I was barely hurt. 2 black eyes and a cut nose, no big deal. I could sense the fear in them so as they were walking I chased them down and told them to "go home". They all left like little girls." - Revelations 21:4
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08-29-2013, 01:11 AM
Would be marvelous to see these people paid well.
Doubling the minimum wage would be a great way to get the economy moving again, redistributing money from the rich who stuff it under their mattresses to the poor who will of course spend it.
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08-29-2013, 01:17 AM
Lower-wage jobs in the US are basically indentured servitude. One would think by now, with all technological advancements, they'd find a way to make it work, so everyone could earn a living wage without the US having to turn to communism. Maybe set up some semi-communism, where the government opens up factories (I'll explain how this could be done) that pay minimum $20 per hour to anyone who wants to do it.
Economic theory is just that - theory, and will always be theory.
What works on paper has never worked in reality (regardless of what Keynes/Friedman say), the country has simply been in a bad streak of the "economic crapshoot" for too long now.
There's something called "the buffer". Meaning, there's always money for war, money for jails, money for police, money for schools, you get the point. This money is intentionally hoarded simply for the sake of doing so. The reason McDonalds never runs out of Big Macs is because of their "buffer stock". The buffer is the bedrock of all money in the US, by far the world's richest country. The buffer stock is infinite and your tax dollars will continue to make sure of that.
The fact is, the US could fund as many wars as they wanted to, thanks to the neverending buffer. All that stuff about "the US owes China billions, its Obama's fault, etc" are about as true as "War makes the economy go up".
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08-29-2013, 01:30 AM
Quote: (08-29-2013 01:14 AM)Wadsworth Wrote:
Quote: (08-29-2013 01:02 AM)Hades Wrote:
Profit margins with cheap fast food is pretty much shit. You raise the minimum fast food wage to something like 15 an hour and they're just going to slash hours and fire off the non-essential employees. It's already to the point where it's impossible to do overtime.
If this manages to get through it's a guarantee that the population of barely-employables will go up significantly while all "full-timers" enjoy a 28 hour work week. Where you once had a thousand jobs suddenly you find about five-hundred "half" jobs and maybe a hundred part-time positions.
All this means is that there is no market for the bullshit they're selling.
Using market conditions in U.S.A. in terms of supply/demand for fast food, while using market conditions in Mexico in terms of supply/demand for labor is fundamentally broken.
Introducing a price floor in terms of wage isn't going to fix the system, it's merely going to shift market prices up.
I saw your other post which clarified on this one.
Yes it's going to shift market prices up, but the last time the minimum wage went from something like $5.20 to $7.25 in my state, this is exactly what happened, McDumpster's fired a bunch of shitheads, put out "we're hiring" signs to take advantage of the huge turnover with new guys and never having to pay benefits to non-fulltimers who are going to quit after three months, slashed hours down to an average of about 30-35 hours per week, made it impossible to schedule yourself for overtime, hired a bunch of part-timers, and overall reduced the number of people working at these places.
The net benefit for each 'full-time' employee working there was almost nothing from where it was previously, maybe an extra ten or twenty bucks per month -- and now fewer people work there.
That's the gist of it, it happened before, now if it happens to a serious degree (doubled wages?!) they're just going to go full retard on their old policy and probably just hire a shitload of part-timers. These morons are campaigning for a "living wage" at an unskilled job and are going to end up, dick in hand, with a lot of free time and no benefits.
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08-29-2013, 01:43 AM
It would probably be good to pursue national policies that just push McDonald's and all the rest out of business. Whatever policies we can take up to have that result would easily give our country and extra few years of healthy life expectancy, and probably decrease our addiction to prescription drugs appreciably.
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08-29-2013, 01:47 AM
Quote: (08-29-2013 12:41 AM)Bolthouse Wrote:
Blaming it on low IQ excuses their laziness and ungratefulness. How is it that illegals from Mexico, who come here with 8 kids and knowing no English, manage to survive on a minimum wage?
Is it due to their high IQ? Or perhaps their lack of entitlement?
You're coming across as the caricature of a big business Republican. You sound like Larry Kudlow, for fuck's sake. Their entitlement? To what, exactly? A basic standard of living in the year 2013 in the wealthiest and most powerful country to ever exist? Is that too much to ask?
As I pointed out to Gopher, it's easy to pass moral judgment on those beneath you and assume yourself to be superior by virtue of your hard work alone. You are painting the poor as lazy, ungrateful and entitled. But that's simply not fair.
What if I called you a lazy sack of shit, and a complete failure in life because you're unable to compete in the NBA or the NFL? Do you think maybe if you worked harder you could start for the Knicks? That wouldn't really be fair of me, would it? Because obviously, not everyone is capable of playing in the NBA. But you seem to think that everyone is capable of performing at the same level you are, by virtue of hard work alone.
You have advantages you aren't accounting for, innate advantages than many people lack. That's just reality. That doesn't mean you have to feel guilty about it, but it should mean that you have enough perspective and wisdom to understand that it's not as simple as people "being lazy and entitled" when they are unable to compete in a modern, advanced economy.
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08-29-2013, 01:54 AM
Good point, scorpion. Ms. Davis is spending money on cable TV and taxi rides though, which diminishes my sympathy. That said, I can't take credit for my frugal nature. That was a value instilled in me by my parents. If I was raised differently (or not raised at all), perhaps I'd be wasting money that I could ill afford to. Or maybe I wouldn't.
Depends on how much agency/responsibility you want to assign to the individual.
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