[Silvestroyer]

As you may be aware, I am currently living in one of the most blue pill, feministic countries of the world, located in the very heart of Europe.

Even though the birth ratio in this country this is scary shrinking every year, I get to see this trend more and more; the Wrappedfathers Carrybabies ™:









I even saw once one of these specimens wrapped up with a black baby and pushing the shopping cart while his wife (who was also white btw) was checking up her phone and nagging about something.

Do you also get this in your country?

[JimNortonFan]

The guy in the first pic is an Herb/Hipster.

I thought a Man was supposed to hold his son like a Man does.

[Basil Ransom]

Nope, America has outdone you again:



http://www.army.mil/article/38747/

Maybe men are such pussies this is what's needed to get them to be fathers?

[kosko]

The backpack baby sling looks more traditional/tribal and less awkward. A man has no reason to cozy the child up like that, the sling, it's meant for women to aid in feeding the kid. Stupid uptoian inventions that serve no purpose but to make men look like goofs.

[Blackhawk]

I'd much rather see a sling than a baby carriage. A kid that size weighs 30 lbs or less. Just carry them already. Particularly when travelling on the subway or otherwise transversing stairs or an escalator.

Instead, I see naive couples suckered into buying completely unnecessary and cumbersome 30 lbs baby carriages to haul around a 12 lb baby. They jam up elevators. They jam up shopping isles. They're just a blockade everywhere they go.



One person carries the child in a sling. The other a backpack with diapers and other necessaries. Much more practical to my eye. And a hell of a lot less space consuming on the people around you, all of whom have to move about and get their day done as well.

It looks a bit more masculine to have the sling off to the side or on the back than being belly-to-belly, but you know what really looks masculine? Being a father.

[Veloce]

I just saw a guy wearing a...whatever the hell you call those things that strap onto the chest and carries babies. Front loaded baby backpack.

He was flaming gay, talking loudly on his cell phone, and walking a small dog. If there's too much of that I swear to god that generation is fucked.

When did this get too difficult? :


These so-called dads need to hit the gym if they can't even carry around a 20-lb sack of potatoes.

[presidentcarter]

[BLarsen]

I'm not sure what point is trying to be made here. Do any of you have kids? Have any of you had to carry a baby around for hours at a time?

My kids are past this age, but I have 3 kids that are close in age and used a sling as well as the backpack style carrier. As mentioned by someone earlier, pushing a stroller/carriage is a pain in the ass. I could put one kid on my back and have the other in my arms and still have one arm free.

I didn't care if it looked stupid or "unmasculine" because my goal was to move child A, B, and C to point X in the shortest amount of time and the least amount of effort.

Not taking offense, just pointing out that these things are very useful.

[pump_and_romance]

I saw one of these for the first time in the airport last week. His wife was with him. I wanted to just grab the dude and shake him and yell at him.

BLarsen: I guess it's somewhat excusable if your wife isn't there.

[WanderingSoul]

Hah I just saw this yesterday here in BKK. I was like WTF is this faggot doing?

[Bacchus]

From the grave, George Carlin spits wisdom.

[Tuthmosis]

It's funny this thread came up, since I talk to chicks about this all the time. Whenever I have a pregnancy scare from raw dogging, I go into all of my "parenting expectations" with the chick. This is often done on the edge of the bed, before we're even cleaned off.

I pepper the thing with lots of and lulz.

I also touch on this subject in casual conversation. A bunch of girls know my whole sermon about how to remain manly in fatherhood and how I plan on being a father not a second mother. I go into how my son will have a manly name and my daughter a girly one.

One of the things I go on and on about is how pussy guys wearing Baby Bjorns (that front harness thing) or pushing baby carriages look. If I were going to wear my kid, I say, that little fucker in going on my back, behind me. Just like my dogs don't walk ahead of me, my kid isn't obstructing my ability to read a book, hug it out with one of my buddies, or dribble a basketball. If he starts crying, I'll snap my fingers in his face. I'll periodically feed him a Scooby Snack if he behaves.

Girls look at me crazy sometimes, but I snap my fingers in their face. "Don't look at me like that."

True story.

[Veloce]

Here's my litmus test for masculinity and how I see my life panning out as a man: did my dad do it? Did my grandpa do it? Have any of my heroes or role models done it? If not, then I'M NOT FUCKING DOING IT.

My dad and both gramps were certainly not the ideals, but they look like gods compared to the shit I see today. Imagining them wearing a baby harness...it's laughable.

One of my earliest memories with my dad is being in the airport when I was 3 or so. Me being a space cadet, I got lost (this happened everywhere). I mean, REALLY lost. An airport employee found me and took me to a security desk until my dad got me. My dad's reaction? "Oh there you are. What the fuck you thinking walking off like that?" Bad parenting? Maybe. But I'm thankful as hell for it. You can talk about parental instincts all you want, but a little Survival-of-the-fittest never hurt anyone. Except the weak of course. He smacked me around a few times during my upbringing, and I don't begrudge that, either. The only thing I begrudge is him not being around more, but we can thank the divorce for that, not him.

To the dad above, making a perfectly acceptable point about getting a kid from point A to point B and not caring about masculinity issues: There was a point in VERY recent history when it was not YOUR responsibility at all to get the kid from point A to point B.

My grandpa that just passed away was a gruff mofo. I grew up with my mom telling me stories how anytime they went anywhere, he got into his Cadillac, started it up, and just sat in there until the rest of the family got in and was ready to go. It was my grandma's responsibility to get the kids together. When my mom was a teen, she was a wild one, and would mouth off to gramps (this was the 60s) He didn't think anything of backhanding her across the mouth and watch her run out of the car, and he'd let her go.

Think whatever you want about that kind of parenting, but that's what I aspire to. IMO there's way too much spineless parenting these days and not nearly enough discipline (although my observations come from parents I see in L.A., so I probably see the worst of it)

[Tuthmosis]

(08-18-2013 01:17 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Here's my litmus test for masculinity and how I see my life panning out as a man: did my dad do it? Did my grandpa do it? Have any of my heroes or role models done it? If not, then I'M NOT FUCKING DOING IT.

While I'm with you in principle, you have to allow for some amount of adaptation to new realities.

• Did your dad and grandpa make thousands of posts on a game forum?
• Would your dad and grandpa get thrown in the slammer for laying a (physical) smack down in public, if you deserved it?
• Did your dad and grandpa avoid marriage at all costs?
• Did your dad and grandpa bang dozens of new chicks per year?
  

Shit's changed. Just because you don't do things exactly like those old-timers (whose techniques, we can all agree, still apply in like 90 percent of scenarios), that doesn't mean you're going to be this guy.

   

[Veloce]

(08-18-2013 02:47 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:17 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Here's my litmus test for masculinity and how I see my life panning out as a man: did my dad do it? Did my grandpa do it? Have any of my heroes or role models done it? If not, then I'M NOT FUCKING DOING IT.

While I'm with you in principle, you have to allow for some amount of adaptation to new realities.

• Did your dad and grandpa make thousands of posts on a game forum?
• Would your dad and grandpa get thrown in the slammer for laying a (physical) smack down in public, if you deserved it?
• Did your dad and grandpa avoid marriage at all costs?
• Did your dad and grandpa bang dozens of new chicks per year?
  

Shit's changed. Just because you don't do things exactly like those old-timers (whose techniques, we can all agree, still apply in like 90 percent of scenarios), that doesn't mean you're going to be this guy.

Of course. I was expecting (and hoping) that someone would come back with this or some mentioning of adaptability.

I was just watching a video online of David Chang going to these traditional Japanese restaurants. It was a really revealing insight to Japanese culture and pretty inspiring. He visits a yakitori joint, a really high end one, the only one with a Michelin star.

During the segment the chef says, "When Japanese go out to eat, they understand what they're going to eat before they leave the house. The restaurant doesn't matter. Whether it's yakitori, ramen, sushi. They have a cultural expectation of what they're going to eat and the restaurant has to fulfill that expectation. And yet, with each new restaurant, we must dig DEEPER into those traditional dishes, evolve them, extract their essence."

Aside from some great culinary philosophy, somehow that got me thinking about life and male tradition. There has to be a reverence for things past, a foundation of our culture, while moving forward and improving upon that foundation. I would aspire to understand what the patriarchs in my family line did RIGHT, and hopefully improve upon that.

And not a single goddamn member here can tell me that men carrying baby slings is an improvement.

[porscheguy]

To quote Flavio Briatore when asked if he's changed any shitty diapers on the kid he just had with a woman 30 years younger, he said "I don't do that sort of thing, it's a woman's job."

I fell the same way about managing multiple small children at one time. IT'S A WOMAN'S JOB.

The only slings I would ever use are one for my arm if it's injured, or one to carry my rifle.

[Kingsley Davis]

(08-18-2013 04:00 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 02:47 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 01:17 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Here's my litmus test for masculinity and how I see my life panning out as a man: did my dad do it? Did my grandpa do it? Have any of my heroes or role models done it? If not, then I'M NOT FUCKING DOING IT.

While I'm with you in principle, you have to allow for some amount of adaptation to new realities.

• Did your dad and grandpa make thousands of posts on a game forum?
• Would your dad and grandpa get thrown in the slammer for laying a (physical) smack down in public, if you deserved it?
• Did your dad and grandpa avoid marriage at all costs?
• Did your dad and grandpa bang dozens of new chicks per year?
  

Shit's changed. Just because you don't do things exactly like those old-timers (whose techniques, we can all agree, still apply in like 90 percent of scenarios), that doesn't mean you're going to be this guy.

Of course. I was expecting (and hoping) that someone would come back with this or some mentioning of adaptability.

I was just watching a video online of David Chang going to these traditional Japanese restaurants. It was a really revealing insight to Japanese culture and pretty inspiring. He visits a yakitori joint, a really high end one, the only one with a Michelin star.

During the segment the chef says, "When Japanese go out to eat, they understand what they're going to eat before they leave the house. The restaurant doesn't matter. Whether it's yakitori, ramen, sushi. They have a cultural expectation of what they're going to eat and the restaurant has to fulfill that expectation. And yet, with each new restaurant, we must dig DEEPER into those traditional dishes, evolve them, extract their essence."

Aside from some great culinary philosophy, somehow that got me thinking about life and male tradition. There has to be a reverence for things past, a foundation of our culture, while moving forward and improving upon that foundation. I would aspire to understand what the patriarchs in my family line did RIGHT, and hopefully improve upon that.

And not a single goddamn member here can tell me that men carrying baby slings is an improvement.