[Kickb]

Anyone watch the Coto fight last night on HBO?

I'm not sure how his opponent landed that fight. Coto tore that dude up.

[scorpion]

(10-06-2013 12:49 AM)Hades Wrote:  

Scorpion, just curious, have you been in a street fight? Do you box?
I agree that boxing >>>>> all stupid martial arts, but one on one a few judo moves like the backsweep is good shit, if "Watch My Back" is to be believed (great book!).

I haven't been in a street fight but want to sometime soon. Picking fights at bars in the US is a pain in the ass because most people either chicken, start yelling, or get like four of their friends to beat the shit out of you and leave your beaten body near the overpass for homeless crack addicts to (probably) abuse somehow. Or they just freak out and call the cops. The honor code of old has been unwisely cast aside and methinks it makes people more asinine and less polite. My guess is that I'll get into one serious fight and probably end up a pacifist but I don't know for sure until it happens.

A guy can get some kind of a complex if he is itching for a fight but can never get one. I guess I'll just find a boxing gym or maybe see if my friends are interested in fight club type shit but curious if you have any tips. Thanks man.

It's not that other martial arts are "stupid" or don't have good things about them (Judo throws can be really nasty, that's true). It's just that boxing is by far the most effective and versatile martial art to know for real world fighting. Almost all the street fights I've witnessed and participated in have been won and lost by how well the guys involved can keep a cool head, throw hands well, dodge/take a punch and keep their balance. That's about it. And boxing teaches you all of those things. I've never seen a guy do a judo throw, a spinning kick or a triangle choke in a street fight. It's mostly wild punches, clinches and if a former wrestler is involved, a double leg followed by some awkward ground and pound. Most fights also start and end very quickly. Boxing gives you the best offense and defense for these short bursts, and most importantly of all makes your movements instinctual. Instead of thinking, "Oh shit, I'm in a fight" and following your natural programming of just swinging wildly and hugging in a clinch (which is pretty much what an untrained person invariably does in a fight) your body will respond without you having to think about it. You will naturally throw your hands in combinations, you will keep your chin tucked and your head moving and you will use your feet to maintain balance and circle.

Really to be honest though, you're much better off avoiding street fights rather than looking for them. Find a good boxing/MMA gym if you want to test yourself. Once you develop some skills and can go toe to toe with some tough guys at your gym, you'll realize that the average guy in the street has got nothing for you anyway. At that point the idea of picking fights with random guys should be about as appealing as beating up a little kid. Of course, if some shithead wants to cause trouble, you'll be prepared to end it very quickly. The confidence you get from being good with your hands is usually enough to keep you from feeling like you have to prove anything by fighting. There's just no point unless the guy is really asking for it.

I have not boxed in a few years now, but I'm sort of getting the itch to pick it up again.

[Merenguero]

(10-06-2013 04:01 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  

Anyone watch the Coto fight last night on HBO?

I'm not sure how his opponent landed that fight. Coto tore that dude up.

I didn't watch the fight (I would have, but I forgot that it was taking place), but it was really just a tune-up for Cotto. At this point, I don't think he would have much of a chance against top-tier guys like Alvarez or Martinez, both of whom are being mentioned as possible opponents for him.

[DVY]

This thread makes me want to learn boxing. Its def. on my TD list for life, but the gym and bulking up is still currently more important.

How long did it take you guys to get proficient at boxing? Any tips for a beginner/novice?

[LeBeau]

(10-06-2013 04:59 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 04:01 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  

Anyone watch the Coto fight last night on HBO?

I'm not sure how his opponent landed that fight. Coto tore that dude up.

I didn't watch the fight (I would have, but I forgot that it was taking place), but it was really just a tune-up for Cotto. At this point, I don't think he would have much of a chance against top-tier guys like Alvarez or Martinez, both of whom are being mentioned as possible opponents for him.

Anyone else who missed it and wants to see it:

[thegmanifesto]

(10-05-2013 09:52 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  

The heyday of boxing is over. Like hip hop and sex b4 AIDS, just a memory.

They called the heyday of boxing already over during the Ali era as well.

Hell, I was watching a documentary on Jack Johnson and they were calling the sport finished back then.

And that was over a hundred years ago.

(10-06-2013 08:10 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  

The way to accumulate great stats. This is the greatest fighter of all time?

I actually loved that fight.

Ortiz violated Rule #1 of Boxing and paid the penalty.

[JayMillz]

(10-07-2013 10:12 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

They called the heyday of boxing already over during the Ali era as well.

Hell, I was watching a documentary on Jack Johnson and they were calling the sport finished back then.

Anybody can say anything. I expressed my opinion. I don't know who these "they" are and haven't seen any sources so I don't know why "they" had that opinion.

I'm sure there are those that think present day boxing is great. The last fight I went to see was Cotto vs Pacquiao and I haven't been to a boxing match or even watched one on TV since. In fact, I'd rather watch MMA than boxing these days.

After watching guys like the "Black Destroyer" win 44 of his 47 fights by knockout (he never had to sucker punch a guy to knock him out) the present day boxers don't excite me.

[LeBeau]

Another good compilation clip with analysis:

[Hencredible Casanova]

(10-07-2013 10:12 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I actually loved that fight.

Ortiz violated Rule #1 of Boxing and paid the penalty.

I enjoyed the fight up until that point. I know the rule is what it is, but it also came across as bad sportsmanship. I think Floyd was still angered by Ortiz's gratuitous head butt and saw an opportunity to nip it in the bud before even squaring up. Ortiz was energized and giving Floyd some trouble in the flurries up until that moment.

Mayweather is an outstanding boxer but I hate how he lacks power in his punches and rarely gets a KO, especially when facing a top challenger (almost always goes to decision). That's what counts against him when comparing him with the all-time greats. They all had masterful KOs in many of their big fights.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(10-06-2013 04:56 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 12:49 AM)Hades Wrote:  

Scorpion, just curious, have you been in a street fight? Do you box?
I agree that boxing >>>>> all stupid martial arts, but one on one a few judo moves like the backsweep is good shit, if "Watch My Back" is to be believed (great book!).

I haven't been in a street fight but want to sometime soon. Picking fights at bars in the US is a pain in the ass because most people either chicken, start yelling, or get like four of their friends to beat the shit out of you and leave your beaten body near the overpass for homeless crack addicts to (probably) abuse somehow. Or they just freak out and call the cops. The honor code of old has been unwisely cast aside and methinks it makes people more asinine and less polite. My guess is that I'll get into one serious fight and probably end up a pacifist but I don't know for sure until it happens.

A guy can get some kind of a complex if he is itching for a fight but can never get one. I guess I'll just find a boxing gym or maybe see if my friends are interested in fight club type shit but curious if you have any tips. Thanks man.

It's not that other martial arts are "stupid" or don't have good things about them (Judo throws can be really nasty, that's true). It's just that boxing is by far the most effective and versatile martial art to know for real world fighting. Almost all the street fights I've witnessed and participated in have been won and lost by how well the guys involved can keep a cool head, throw hands well, dodge/take a punch and keep their balance. That's about it. And boxing teaches you all of those things. I've never seen a guy do a judo throw, a spinning kick or a triangle choke in a street fight. It's mostly wild punches, clinches and if a former wrestler is involved, a double leg followed by some awkward ground and pound. Most fights also start and end very quickly. Boxing gives you the best offense and defense for these short bursts, and most importantly of all makes your movements instinctual. Instead of thinking, "Oh shit, I'm in a fight" and following your natural programming of just swinging wildly and hugging in a clinch (which is pretty much what an untrained person invariably does in a fight) your body will respond without you having to think about it. You will naturally throw your hands in combinations, you will keep your chin tucked and your head moving and you will use your feet to maintain balance and circle.

Really to be honest though, you're much better off avoiding street fights rather than looking for them. Find a good boxing/MMA gym if you want to test yourself. Once you develop some skills and can go toe to toe with some tough guys at your gym, you'll realize that the average guy in the street has got nothing for you anyway. At that point the idea of picking fights with random guys should be about as appealing as beating up a little kid. Of course, if some shithead wants to cause trouble, you'll be prepared to end it very quickly. The confidence you get from being good with your hands is usually enough to keep you from feeling like you have to prove anything by fighting. There's just no point unless the guy is really asking for it.

I have not boxed in a few years now, but I'm sort of getting the itch to pick it up again.

Many truths here. I took up boxing during college and recreationally in the past year. Almost anyone who does MMA/Boxing will say the best thing to do in real life is try to avoid a scrap. Discipline is sacrosanct and only fucking idiots look for problems.

That said, solid footwork and defense is VERY underestimated. IMO, throwing a punch is the easiest aspect of boxing.

Even if an opponent is more athletic/explosive than you, you can use deft footwork and leverage their momentum against them.

This is a cool video of how simple head movements can help you win a street fight.

And for more complex defense hacks, just check out this clip of Mayweather's tricks. The dude's defensive arsenal is insane (high guard, shoulder roll, forearm clinch, etc). It's easy to miss this stuff when watching a fight in real time but, as you can see, there's a lot of technique involved.

[cardguy]

I love Butterbean. He is a monster.

[thegmanifesto]

(10-07-2013 02:09 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 10:12 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

They called the heyday of boxing already over during the Ali era as well.

Hell, I was watching a documentary on Jack Johnson and they were calling the sport finished back then.

Anybody can say anything. I expressed my opinion. I don't know who these "they" are and haven't seen any sources so I don't know why "they" had that opinion.

I'm sure there are those that think present day boxing is great. The last fight I went to see was Cotto vs Pacquiao and I haven't been to a boxing match or even watched one on TV since. In fact, I'd rather watch MMA than boxing these days.

After watching guys like the "Black Destroyer" win 44 of his 47 fights by knockout (he never had to sucker punch a guy to knock him out) the present day boxers don't excite me.

Fair enough.

[MidniteSpecial]

I heard they are offering Lenox Lewis 100 mil to fight one of the klitcho brothers. Lenox is 48. Hey, Hopkins did it.

[Merenguero]

(10-09-2013 07:44 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  

I heard they are offering Lenox Lewis 100 mil to fight one of the klitcho brothers. Lenox is 48. Hey, Hopkins did it.

I don't think they are offering him $100 million. I think they offered him $50 million and he said that he would come back if they paid him $100 million.

[Kingsley Davis]

"Orlando Cruz will wear rainbow colors, pink gloves to support LGBT community, breast cancer awareness"

"LAS VEGAS -- Featherweight contender Orlando Cruz will fight for a world title for the first time on Saturday when he meets tough Orlando Salido at the Thomas & Mack Center on the undercard of the Timothy Bradley-Juan Manuel Marquez pay-per-view.
It is, by far, the biggest stage that Cruz has had for one of his bouts. To take advantage of the exposure, Cruz plans to wear pink boxing gloves and a pink-trimmed ring jacket to help show support for Breast Cancer Awareness Month.

But Cruz, boxing's first openly gay fighter, will also wear rainbow-colored trunks, to support the LGBT movement. The rainbow flag is a symbol of the movement and was created in 1978 in San Francisco to urge inclusiveness for all.
Everlast made the trunks and the gloves in collaboration with Cruz.

Cruz, who is scheduled to marry boyfriend Jose Manuel in New York on Nov. 16, is 20-2-1 with 10 knockouts. Salido is 39-12-2 with 27 KOs.

They will meet for the vacant WBO featherweight championship."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/orl...--box.html

[JayMillz]

[JayMillz]

[Teedub]

Kell Brook did well last night, good win against a former champ.

Anthony Joshua of course did well, his second pro-fight though so against a bum. However, he still looks too bulky for me. I said this on FB and I got a lot of stick about how his massive arms meant he punches hard. [Facepalm] I couldn't be arsed to educate, but I should really. Muscles require oxygen, and boxing is essentially a tough endurance sport, with a dash of flash brilliance. Therefore, you don't want unnecessary muscle, that isn't functional to that particular sport, as it is a hindrance.

There's talk of Hopkins fighting Mayweather. Absolutely crazy, but I'd love to see it. Hopkins is an extraordinary human being, despite him renaming himself 'The Alien' (lol). However, it would be a supremely technical, and thus boring, fight. Also, Hopkins would have a huge weight advantage once rehydrated and I doubt Floyd would take the fight, why would he?

[cardguy]

Have I mentioned Butterbean in this thread? The guy is insane.

[LeBeau]

(10-27-2013 04:29 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

Have I mentioned Butterbean in this thread? The guy is insane.

Haha dude check back about 6 posts, you'll see something familiar.

[cardguy]

I thought as much!

[Giovonny]

Bradley looked great.
Mayweather looked great.
That "Siberian Rocky" is a bad motherfucker.

"Legendary Nights - Gatti-Ward" had me in tears. (I met Arturo in a grocery store in Brasil about 6 months before he died, he was very fat!)

"Being Mike Tyson" is a great show!

[thegmanifesto]

(10-28-2013 03:40 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

"Legendary Nights - Gatti-Ward" had me in tears. (I met Arturo in a grocery store in Brasil about 6 months before he died, he was very fat!)

The whole Gatti story is so incredible a film will never do it justice.

Reality is always more insane than fiction.

Most people don't realize he had mulitple mindboggling come from behind wins and Fights of The Year before the trilogy with Micky Ward.

(The only reason he didn't have more "Fights of The Year" was because many of them happened in the same year).

I still can't believe the circumstances in under which he passed.

That's boxing for you; the ugliest and most beautiful thing in the world.

[Teedub]

This is a very recent doc about a British 'journeyman'. It's been getting very favourable reviews in the press over here. It's really insightful, and will definitely alter your opinion on these types of fighters.

[Merenguero]

(10-30-2013 01:15 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:40 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

"Legendary Nights - Gatti-Ward" had me in tears. (I met Arturo in a grocery store in Brasil about 6 months before he died, he was very fat!)

The whole Gatti story is so incredible a film will never do it justice.

Reality is always more insane than fiction.

Most people don't realize he had mulitple mindboggling come from behind wins and Fights of The Year [b]before the trilogy with Micky Ward.[/b]

(The only reason he didn't have more "Fights of The Year" was because many of them happened in the same year).

I still can't believe the circumstances in under which he passed.

That's boxing for you; the ugliest and most beautiful thing in the world.

I was at Gatti's fight against Gabriel Ruelas where Gatti came from behind to knockout Ruelas. I believe that was fight of the year for 1997. It was on the undercard of the Lennox Lewis-Andrew Golota fight. I went to the fight with my friend and I remember saying to him, "The Lewis-Golota fight is going to be really great, but there is some guy fighting on the undercard. His name is Arturo Gatti and he is a shoobie. We shouldn't even waste our time watching this guy." In any event, we got there a little before the Gatti fight started and saw every minute of it. The Gatti fight was fight of the year. Golota got floored halfway through the first round. You just never know sometimes.