[Clash1e]

A good amount of guys here will likely have a son at one point in their life, so this should be an interesting thread.

Thinking of something like this way in advance is a little like mental masturbation, however it’s better to have thought of such things ahead of time (when you have a lot of free time, like I currently do) than to do so when you have a lot going on and end up winging it when time comes.

So who wants a son that locks himself in the basement to play video games all day and is a 25 year old virgin? No? How about one that’s trapped in an abusive relationship with a domineering girl of low-quality and the thought of them having kids makes you nauseous and a bit sad? Thought so.

Alpha/masculinity is universally desired. Good with girls, good job, and good health.

Assuming you have taken the necessary precautions to minimize the possibility of family dissolution and child-theft by wifey dearest, what actions would you take to raise alpha sons? Here are some of my ideas off the top of my head, in no particular order:

• Recruit wifey into active role in program (so she’ll be supportive of son embracing the masculine)
• Lead by example
• Make sure he understands that father really does know best, so when you tell him he’s making a big mistake he will heed your warning and take your advice. (For this part it really does help to be knowledgeable in diverse areas.)
• Let him suffer the consequences of his mistakes (though do try to prevent big ones and try to save him if they do happen.)
• Lots of protein and fats, to grow up big/strong but not so much he becomes fat.
• At age 2 or 3 start taking him with when running errands. Have wifey not stay home with him all day when you’re at work.
• Plenty family road trips and travel-by-plane trips throughout year
• No tv and limited exposure to mainstream media.
• Plenty of books (Historical adventure books are what boys like; I hear 19th century novelist G. A. Henty is pretty good. Older and religious (if you’re into it) books tend to be less poisonous to budding masculinity)
• Private or home school (public is a where kids go to die.)
• Team sports like basketball, football, or lacrosse.
• At around age 10 get a puppy that’ll grow to be medium or large in size and doesn’t look too fruity or low class. Eventually it’ll teach responsibility and how to lead. Good practice for future relationships.
• Teach him to fight.
• Teach to approach girls starting at 12 or so
• Father-son trip to wherever he wants at age 13 and/or 16.
• (Heard some dads say they might do this. Some of you might not like this one so skip it. I likely won’t do this.) Take him to Vegas when he’s somewhere b/w ages of 13- 16 and treat him to a nice expensive hooker and make sure she’s a 9 or 10. You could be honest with him and tell him she’s a whore or make it seem like he gamed her with his skills alone and maybe some tips from you. (Point is this’ll show him sex isn’t a big deal and it might be a nice start-up to player-hood… or a long-term dependency on hookers and inability to do pick up.)
• Teach him family comes first.
• Be friends with fathers that are also alpha and have the kids play together.
• Go on guy trips, just dads and sons, for adventures in cool places.
• When he’s b/w ages of 13 and 16 and you think he’s ready hand him a copy Bang and later, after he digests and implements it, a USB containing Roissy’s/Heartiste’s game archive.
  

The father’s time to shine starts at age 12 or so with onset puberty. Before then it’s mostly mommy’s time to do her thing. The main thing you should do before then is make sure the kid isn’t at home all day and away from people.

Remember this. There’s a right time and a wrong time to dispense lessons and advice. Have fun, be happy. Don’t be too preoccupied and serious with raising a perfect son b/c that’ll sour everyone’s mood. The goal is for him to have the freedom to choose the kind of women and lifestyle he wants for himself. And of course the obvious one, to give his parents many grandkids.

Lastly, you could procreate with the perfect woman and do everything right but there will always be a chance your boy ends up a complete fuck up. Maybe he lost the genetic lottery, started hanging with the wrong crowd in school, became a druggie, or he became afflicted with the gay. *shudders* Who knows, some things are just out of your control. To minimize this possibility of failure I’d advise you not to put all your eggs in one basket and to have more than one son. I mean you wouldn’t just get one girl’s number and hope for the lay. That’d be silly.

So what do you guys think? Have anything you’d like to add to the list?

[scorpion]

Nice list. A few things I would add:

- Make sure he has a solid peer group of other boys from good families. They will help keep him on track. This is especially crucial in the middle school years. That's when most kids go to shit if they are headed that direction.

- No video games, or limited to small doses. Just a waste of time for a developing mind and body.

- Teach him to show respect to adults, i.e. "Yes Sir" "Yes Ma'am".

- Have him working a manual labor job during high school summers, and possibly during the school year if he isn't too busy with athletics and homework.

- Most of all, I would constantly remind him that hard work and self-discipline are the most important things he can learn, and will take him further in life than anything else.

[LeBeau]

I like the idea of this thread, and most of your list.

That said, the below point of yours can only be counter-productive. I don't think of any of us felt we missed out by not banging some pro at age 13...

(07-26-2013 12:45 AM)Clash1e Wrote:  

[*](Heard some dads say they might do this. Some of you might not like this one so skip it. I likely won’t do this.) Take him to Vegas when he’s somewhere b/w ages of 13- 16 and treat him to a nice expensive hooker and make sure she’s a 9 or 10. You could be honest with him and tell him she’s a whore or make it seem like he gamed her with his skills alone and maybe some tips from you. (Point is this’ll show him sex isn’t a big deal and it might be a nice start-up to player-hood… or a long-term dependency on hookers and inability to do pick up.)

Other things to add:

Daily exercise, with goal setting and time for fun/play exercises. Very important for creativity and kinesthetic development.

Teach him to manage his own fitness (i.e. flexibility, strength, mobility, etc.)

Encourage reading for pleasure, but also a foundation in knowledge across many areas to better understand the world

Follow news, but also analyzing it, not just passively reading

There's a whole bunch more...but also a phrase comes to mind for assertiveness and discipline, that I think a lot of people forget nowadays:

"I'm your father, not your friend."

[LooTa]

My son is only 2 and he already tries to lift weights with me. How early is too early to get him doing heavy squats, bench and deadlifts?

[Every10GivesMeA10]

Never introduce him to porn.

[LooTa]

There's only so much you can tell him, it's more about showing him, as his personality will be pretty well formed by the time he's old enough for specific lessons and red-pill experiences.

IMO you need to maintain a strong, positive presence throughout their childhood to lay the groundwork, then he will be ready to absorb the more specific "red pill" lessons. They learn through observation from the day they're born, years before they are able to understand complex verbal instructions. Unfortunately, so many men don't get the chance to even see the kid, with marriages blowing up and custody laws as they are. Compounding the problem, the divorce experience often leaves the father impoverished and with a broken spirit, so that the example presented on the every-second-weekend token access they may be granted, is less than positive.

However, in the view of Pinker it might not have much effect at all. He argues that a parents influence of their childrens personality is miniscule compared with the effects genes and culture have.

Still, you can't help but hope that what influence you do have can, and will help, even if just a little.

We don't know why exactly we were drawn to the red pill - it could be partially genetic, so there's a good chance they'll be drawn to it too, but it's up to us to bring the best out of them. I'd like to think I provide a good example for my son, and as long as I strive to better myself, I'm passively doing the same for him at the same time.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

I have a baby on the way. We're not sure of the sex yet but I'm praying to the gods that I don't end up with any girls.

If it's a boy, he'll be fine if he follows my example. Wifey knows I'll teach him game.