[soup]

Evolution plays a big part in game.

Intention.. survival.. replication.. these are some of the ideas and driving forces behind how things work.

This thread is dedicated to evolution.

Does evolution or nature have a purpose or end goal? Why go through all this trouble?

Are Apex predators essentially the closest thing to perfection in nature? For example- the lazy lion.

I sometimes get this this sense that there is something that wants to wake up. Maybe it's Skynet or some cosmic consciousness..

EDIT: accidentally posted this in game. Can it be moved to EE?

[Chrysalis]

Evolution is a spontaneous process (unless you believe in the Maker, whereby it's his process of creating and blah blah... ). You can spot evolution in areas other than biology - economy, thought, social structures etc. Everything that develops in an competitive environment survives, and if it doesn't it dies, to be replaced by a new form.

I don't believe apex predatora are "perfection". That would imply that evolution has a finite goal or ending. T-Rex was an apex predator and it turned out to be an evolutionary dead end. Sharks haven't changed at all in the last 400 mil years (you could interpret it as perfect then?).

I think evolution is viewed too much like engineering, both have extremely complex results, but one is spontaneous and other deliberate. There are fundamental differences. Still, the notion does give explanations to a lot of subjects, notably Game.

[soup]

Yes- it is very interesting. I'm not religious but maybe it can be argued that their is some kind of unconscious force that motivates everything.

Has anyone ever posed the question- what if there is a god, but he's asleep, like Odin.

Or what if there was some controlling force that lost a battle and is struggling to wake up?

To me this is an interesting way of interpreting nature's forces- makes for cool stories.

[bacan]

Btw modern sharks are only 100 mil old even though sharks have existed for 400mil years. I wish the megalodon still existed

[sixsix]

Evolution all the way down.

No gods and no magic forces.

You obviously live, possibly procreate, and definitely die.

Rinse and repeat.

Nonrandom selection on random mutations; Heritable variation causing differential reproduction.

C'est ça!

[Sonsowey]

No the Lion is not the apex of evolution. It's going extinct. Probably will be wiped out in a few hundred years.

Cockroaches or bacteria or whatever are the ultimate survivors.

I have no idea what the "point" of evolution is. It's not some force that's leading us towards "perfection" or some "ultimate" existence. It's just what works. You can survive and procreate with all sorts of flaws. You can be 500 lbs and have a bunch of kids who are all stupid and have diseases and they still all procreate.

It's just survival of the fittest, where fittest means, able to reproduce. Not fittest like jacked intelligent rich handsome. Some uneducated illegal immigrant is probably more evolutionarily "fit" than anyone in this forum. Who here has 10 kids?

[Sargon of Akkad]

Although I find human evolution fascinating I don't see this thread going far without either some imput from people who've actually studied and have real expertise in these subjects, or at least the citing of some credible sources.

Nowadays, just about everyone (credentials and sources be damned) is a self-proclamed expert on the specifics of human evolutionary history, the nature human societies in the Pleistocene, and more specifically, it's effects on current human behavior. This is true for militant feminists, MRAs, socialists, self styled PUA gurus, white supremecists, you name it. They all use some vague understanding of pop-evopsychology and pop-anthropology to justify whichever political or social agenda they're pushing. I know this isn't a science forum, but if we're going to talk about science, might as well do it right.

[kosko]

(07-22-2013 11:41 PM)soup Wrote:  

Yes- it is very interesting. I'm not religious but maybe it can be argued that their is some kind of unconscious force that motivates everything.

Has anyone ever posed the question- what if there is a god, but he's asleep, like Odin.

Or what if there was some controlling force that lost a battle and is struggling to wake up?

To me this is an interesting way of interpreting nature's forces- makes for cool stories.

There is energy/power that fuels and moves evrey life form on earth. This is why the idea of power balances and duality are so important. Women and Men are programmed not by society as feminists may believe but from the greater environment to act a certain way.

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Men -> hunter/provide -> outwards -> Big environment -> Penis
<>
Vagina -> Local environment -> inwards -> warm & nurture -> Women
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When a animal dis-engages from its natural energy balances it becomes stressed and sick. When stress is present it can not grow or evolve, when this stress is felt wide spread the whole unit starts to de-evolve.

Game helps us to poke holes on the shield if stress and confusion present in western women and get in sync more with her primal instincts. It's tricks and stuff at first but the end goal should be a natural progression towards a natural aura in which you projections within that larger environment just draw you towards women with not much effort involved.

"God" is the force that keeps all the energy and vibrations flowing. It's a force we can't fully or ever really to understand. But these forces and vibrations keep everything on or plant and beyond in sync. Even just in the "local" area of our solar system everything is in sync to the sun and our sun is in sync to greater forces beyond that, etc, etc.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(07-25-2013 11:23 AM)kosko Wrote:  

There is energy/power that fuels and moves evrey life form on earth. This is why the idea of power balances and duality are so important. Women and Men are programmed not by society as feminists may believe but from the greater environment to act a certain way.

------
Men -> hunter/provide -> outwards -> Big environment -> Penis
<>
Vagina -> Local environment -> inwards -> warm & nurture -> Women
------

When a animal dis-engages from its natural energy balances it becomes stressed and sick. When stress is present it can not grow or evolve, when this stress is felt wide spread the whole unit starts to de-evolve.

Um...where did you get this information?

Don't take this the wrong way, but this is more like some new-age religious ideology than actual science, and it's exactly what I was addressing in my previous post.

[speakeasy]

(07-25-2013 08:50 AM)bacan Wrote:  

Btw modern sharks are only 100 mil old even though sharks have existed for 400mil years. I wish the megalodon still existed

I was just watching some videos about megalodon yesterday. Frankly I'm glad they are extinct otherwise I'd never step foot in the ocean.

I think about the topic of evolution all the time. Some facets of evolution make perfect sense and some I can't wrap my head around. For example I understand how giraffes evolved long necks in response to reaching their food source, or why marine mammals developed fins and flippers in response to their aquatic environment.

What I don't understand is how the complex communication system of bees evolved. How does something like that get encoded into DNA such that bees don't have to learn it, they instinctively know the bee dance and how it conveys very precise instructions on where to find food. There must have been a first bee that came up with this, but how the hell that knowledge gets passed through genetic material is a mystery to me.

Also crazy are parasitic mind controlling parasites. There are worms that will infect the body of a cricket, take over the cricket's brain and make it want to commit suicide by jumping into water. Once in water the parasite bursts out of the cricket's body and reproduces in the water. An amazing life cycle. But you have to wonder how something like this evolved where this worm is able to take over the nervous system of another animal and force it to do things against its will.